Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52

[Tinker Taylor]

There are a couple of variables though aren't there; not only how long William was missing before he was missed, but also how long FFC was searching before MFC got home.

Yes, that is correct.

 

[they'll get you]

But he didn't wander off and get lost in the forest. She went to look for him minutes after she had heard him out front playing . If he had wandered off, then she or one of the neighbours would have found him. He didn't have a 15 minute head start to make it up to the bush.

There was no reason for her to imagine a pedophile was going to grab him and escape so quickly. It is very rare and not something we all expect when our kids are happily playing in grandmother's yard.

RBBM

The cops, neighbours and everyone thought it was just a missing child.

Who would think otherwise in such a quiet secluded area.

 

[JLZ]

This seems to be the MFC's evidence at the inquest:

"He left the house at around 9am on the morning of William’s disappearance, in his “fairly new” 4WD.

He told the court he needed to conduct a business meeting by Skype, in an area with a better internet connection.

He sent a text from the car shortly after 10am, saying he’d be home in five minutes.

He pulled into the drive, and his wife — William’s foster mum — asked him: “is William with you?”

He replied: “No, why would he be with me?”

When his wife said she couldn’t find the boy, he “very quickly” started moving.

“You didn’t stop and have a conversation with her about where she had already searched? Is there any reason for that?” said the counsel assisting, Gerard Craddock SC.

“I went the path of least resistance,” the man replied.

“I searched every day,” he said. “Every day. My wife and her mother stayed home (caring for William’s sister) I went every day.

“I had to do what I had to do. I had to keep searching.”

The court was shown an aerial scene, which showed the house in which William had been staying.

It is on a corner block, and set well back from the street.

The street becomes a dirt trail, which leads up to the local bush cemetery.

That trail is four wheel drive only.

“Did you believe that William was out there somewhere, and that you’d find him?” Mr Craddock said.

“I had hope. I had hope,” the man replied, but he didn’t believe so small a boy could negotiate the trail up to the cemetery.

“Did you search around the cemetery?”

“On several occasions.”
BBM
So if this is correct, he was back around 10.05am according to this and WT was already missing! This is different to what we have heard so far.

He searched around the cemetery "on several occasions", so he was not as convinced as some people are that WT wouldn't have gone there.

That's very interesting about the times. If MFC thought he left home about 9, and he thought he sent a text message at about 10 to say he'd be home in 5 minutes, he can't have thought his internet conference lasted very long. However it's also been reported that he sent the text message at about the same time as he bought the newspaper in Kendall, 10:30. I keep having the thought that he made the journey home twice, the second time collecting evidence in the form of several purchases.

 

[Thebottomline]

There is no intent to blame either of the foster parents. I am trying to clarify some of the "known" facts that seem not to be as firm as some might think. The timing is the issue, and there seems to be quite a bit of leeway there.

But it’s exactly what you are posting . Apportioning blame on the parents (foster mum) whether she took her eyes off him for 1 minute or more doesn’t matter, someone stole or killed this little boy.

 

[Chrissy74]

This seems to be the MFC's evidence at the inquest:

"He left the house at around 9am on the morning of William’s disappearance, in his “fairly new” 4WD.
That can’t be right because their is actual footage from cameras inside pharmacy as well as receipt showing the ff entering the pharmacy around 10:15/10:20 so give or take 5min ff would have been on his way back to fgm house around 10:30ish

He told the court he needed to conduct a business meeting by Skype, in an area with a better internet connection.

He sent a text from the car shortly after 10am, saying he’d be home in five minutes.

He pulled into the drive, and his wife — William’s foster mum — asked him: “is William with you?”

He replied: “No, why would he be with me?”

When his wife said she couldn’t find the boy, he “very quickly” started moving.

“You didn’t stop and have a conversation with her about where she had already searched? Is there any reason for that?” said the counsel assisting, Gerard Craddock SC.

“I went the path of least resistance,” the man replied.

“I searched every day,” he said. “Every day. My wife and her mother stayed home (caring for William’s sister) I went every day.

“I had to do what I had to do. I had to keep searching.”

The court was shown an aerial scene, which showed the house in which William had been staying.

It is on a corner block, and set well back from the street.

The street becomes a dirt trail, which leads up to the local bush cemetery.

That trail is four wheel drive only.

“Did you believe that William was out there somewhere, and that you’d find him?” Mr Craddock said.

“I had hope. I had hope,” the man replied, but he didn’t believe so small a boy could negotiate the trail up to the cemetery.

“Did you search around the cemetery?”

“On several occasions.”
BBM
So if this is correct, he was back around 10.05am according to this and WT was already missing! This is different to what we have heard so far.

He searched around the cemetery "on several occasions", so he was not as convinced as some people are that WT wouldn't have gone there.

 

[Tinker Taylor]

"18 September: Foster mother picks up relative from Port Macquarie airport and suddenly remembers three strange cars being in Benaroon Drive before William's disappearance.

Gives second police statement, at Port Macquarie, and says while searching for William on September 12 she heard a quick, sharp high-pitched scream from the reeds and a grassy knoll.

The sound was "like ... when a child hurts themselves" although "maybe it was a bird""

So the scream that could have been a bird that was heard in the reeds and a grassy knoll, was reported 6 days after he went missing, and at the same time as she remembered the three strange cars.

 

[Chrissy74]

That can’t be right because their is actual footage from cameras inside pharmacy as well as receipt showing the ff entering the pharmacy around 10:15/10:20 so give or take 5min ff would have been on his way back to fgm house around 10:30ish

 

[sleepinoz]

This seems to be the MFC's evidence at the inquest:

"He left the house at around 9am on the morning of William’s disappearance, in his “fairly new” 4WD.

He told the court he needed to conduct a business meeting by Skype, in an area with a better internet connection.

He sent a text from the car shortly after 10am, saying he’d be home in five minutes.

He pulled into the drive, and his wife — William’s foster mum — asked him: “is William with you?”

He replied: “No, why would he be with me?”

When his wife said she couldn’t find the boy, he “very quickly” started moving.

“You didn’t stop and have a conversation with her about where she had already searched? Is there any reason for that?” said the counsel assisting, Gerard Craddock SC.

“I went the path of least resistance,” the man replied.

“I searched every day,” he said. “Every day. My wife and her mother stayed home (caring for William’s sister) I went every day.

“I had to do what I had to do. I had to keep searching.”

The court was shown an aerial scene, which showed the house in which William had been staying.

It is on a corner block, and set well back from the street.

The street becomes a dirt trail, which leads up to the local bush cemetery.

That trail is four wheel drive only.

“Did you believe that William was out there somewhere, and that you’d find him?” Mr Craddock said.

“I had hope. I had hope,” the man replied, but he didn’t believe so small a boy could negotiate the trail up to the cemetery.

“Did you search around the cemetery?”

“On several occasions.”
BBM
So if this is correct, he was back around 10.05am according to this and WT was already missing! This is different to what we have heard so far.

He searched around the cemetery "on several occasions", so he was not as convinced as some people are that WT wouldn't have gone there.

Is this what you have transcribed from his interview or do you have a link?

 

[katydid23]

Why couldn't the FM remember exactly how long William had been missing for when the 000 operator asked her? She didn't reply.

She must have been hiding something. Maybe they will question her again at the next hearing. You could submit some questions for her and some criticisms perhaps.

 

[Tinker Taylor]

Is this what you have transcribed from his interview or do you have a link?

NoCookies | The Australian

 

[sleepinoz]

From memory and one time that I can confirm is fact was a few perhaps even just a couple of weeks prior the ff went to fgm and cleared the excess leaves and shrubs in the backyard. Ff also mentioned the ses being there at the time to help remove and tidy up areas of the backyard that I’m guessing was overgrown and unsafe. Having said that I can’t recall if fm and kids were there too but I do remember (could just be talk and not factual) that the foster family had gone up to fgm house a few times prior to that day and since the day of fg funeral

Can you confirm this with a link or is it hearsay? I haven't heard this before.

 

[they'll get you]

Why couldn't the FM remember exactly how long William had been missing for when the 000 operator asked her? She didn't reply.

You are kidding aren’t you?

 

[sleepinoz]

Why couldn't the FM remember exactly how long William had been missing for when the 000 operator asked her? She didn't reply.

Panic - not looking at her watch etc etc.

 

[Tinker Taylor]

Panic - not looking at her watch etc etc.

Yep, I agree. That's why the times they have given seem to contradict each other. It make it difficult to ascertain exactly when he was last seen and when he was discovered missing.

 

[sleepinoz]

"18 September: Foster mother picks up relative from Port Macquarie airport and suddenly remembers three strange cars being in Benaroon Drive before William's disappearance.

Gives second police statement, at Port Macquarie, and says while searching for William on September 12 she heard a quick, sharp high-pitched scream from the reeds and a grassy knoll.

The sound was "like ... when a child hurts themselves" although "maybe it was a bird""

So the scream that could have been a bird that was heard in the reeds and a grassy knoll, was reported 6 days after he went missing, and at the same time as she remembered the three strange cars.

Links are very important. My favourite quote from Mods 'If you can't link it don't say it'

 

[they'll get you]

"18 September: Foster mother picks up relative from Port Macquarie airport and suddenly remembers three strange cars being in Benaroon Drive before William's disappearance.

Gives second police statement, at Port Macquarie, and says while searching for William on September 12 she heard a quick, sharp high-pitched scream from the reeds and a grassy knoll.

The sound was "like ... when a child hurts themselves" although "maybe it was a bird""

So the scream that could have been a bird that was heard in the reeds and a grassy knoll, was reported 6 days after he went missing, and at the same time as she remembered the three strange cars.

BBM

And your point is?

 

[Chrissy74]

"18 September: Foster mother picks up relative from Port Macquarie airport and suddenly remembers three strange cars being in Benaroon Drive before William's disappearance.

Gives second police statement, at Port Macquarie, and says while searching for William on September 12 she heard a quick, sharp high-pitched scream from the reeds and a grassy knoll.

The sound was "like ... when a child hurts themselves" although "maybe it was a bird""

So the scream that could have been a bird that was heard in the reeds and a grassy knoll, was reported 6 days after he went missing, and at the same time as she remembered the three strange cars.

Let’s no forget how traumatic that day alone must have been for fm and family let alone the days and weeks that followed so I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on details that were recalled after the fact. Apparently it’s not unusual for a person to block out or forget certain details of a traumatic event

 

[Thebottomline]

Maybe it all comes down to the shadows and where the sun was in that final photo of William .

 

[JLZ]

BBM

And your point is?

Grassy knoll?

 

[Chrissy74]

I know I’m going to get grilled from this post BUT the only thing I would pluck out of the timeline is when the fm takes her mothers car to search for William. Now from previous timelines I’m estimating this to be around 10:45 as it was after ff got hone and before 000 call. Fm drove to the riding school which is 1 street away from Mr Chapman’s house in Laurel St who claims he saw William unrestrained in a car at roughly the same time. Sorry but I’m just trying to cover all bases