Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #55

[Tinker Taylor]

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

I Catch Killers: Gary Jubelin reveals how he took down murderous paedophile Jeffrey Hillsley
Former top cop Gary Jubelin has revealed how a poker face was crucial in confronting a murderous paedophile who wanted to play mind games.

Hillsey is the brother of William Spedding's ex-wife.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...dering-rapist-court-told-20150615-ghnx8h.html

 

[SouthAussie]

I couldn't see most of the articles about the Gary Jubelin/Dan Box book, but was able to access the book extract via a Daily Telegraph @dailytelegraph tweet:

"Gary Jubelin I Catch Killers book extract: William Tyrrell mistakes and why the case hasn't been cracked"
News Corp Australia Network, Daily Telegraph
14 August 2020, 8 pm

A large part of the extract is about the pursuit of former POI, BS, who is now pursuing NSW Police, so I'm guessing that might be a topic needing some caution if discussed here.

From what I can see, Jubes is saying - in his book - that he was very much against the public outing of Spedding, and felt great empathy for Spedding's wife.
He also says that while he dismissed Spedding as a POI after completing the investigation that Hans Rupp started, he was obliged to arrest Spedding on the historical charges - as the arrest was warranted by the prosecutor upon reviewing the evidence.

(Link: I believe I read this excerpt in The Australian, though we will all see it when the book is released in 2 days time. So until then I guess this is imo.)

 

[drsleuth]

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Gary Jubelin says he thinks William Tyrrell could still be alive and family deserves better
Gary Jubelin, the former top detective who led the investigation into William Tyrrell’s disappearance, has revealed why he believes the boy is still alive and his family deserves answers.

Get your questions in to Jubes

Jo in Gary and Claire Harvey for an exclusive live event online at 6:30pm AEST on Wednesday, August 19 at True Crime Australia on Facebook.

He’ll be answering selected questions from readers so email now at

[email protected]


Bit of a click bait heading

For Jubelin, it is a pressing matter that after all this time, “I can’t say definitively that William’s dead … It’s a possibility, be it remote, that he’s still alive. We need to find out what’s happened to William.”

 

[Loxoli]

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Gary Jubelin says he thinks William Tyrrell could still be alive and family deserves better
Gary Jubelin, the former top detective who led the investigation into William Tyrrell’s disappearance, has revealed why he believes the boy is still alive and his family deserves answers.

Get your questions in to Jubes

Jo in Gary and Claire Harvey for an exclusive live event online at 6:30pm AEST on Wednesday, August 19 at True Crime Australia on Facebook.

He’ll be answering selected questions from readers so email now at

[email protected]


Bit of a click bait heading

For Jubelin, it is a pressing matter that after all this time, “I can’t say definitively that William’s dead … It’s a possibility, be it remote, that he’s still alive. We need to find out what’s happened to William.”

That heading certainly made my heart skip a beat and got my hopes up for a split second

 

[peekinandy]

I don't know if the book is a good read as it's not out yet, but from the extracts I've read, I'm looking forward to getting my signed copy

As to his "lack of conviction" of these 3 cases ( I'm guessing you mean WT, Bowraville & Leveson? ) all cases which GJ never was initially lead investigator of, but instead was bought onto the cases at a later date ( WT = 5 months later, Bowraville =approx 5 years later & Leveson approx 9 years later ) all had their own unique legal challenges that GJ had to deal with IMO.

I do think he was a top homicide cop IMO, he certainly gave it all he had

Bowraville Attorney General for New South Wales v XX - NSW Caselaw

Leveson https://coroners.nsw.gov.au/documents/findings/2017/Findings Matthew Leveson.pdf

I can't say I agree that he was a top homicide cop, but I would say he was an awesome victim's advocate & he was tenacious. Wrt to WT, his dogged determination to find PS had something to do with his disappearance has lead absolutely no-where, and may have hindered the investigation... We'll see I guess, but it won't be a surprise to realise there was a lot of time wasted there - IMO. Also, there are 3 killers free, in just this example alone... how does that equate to being a top homicide cop? I can give you, as you well know, many examples of killers caught by an investigator who joined a team 'late'. It sounds like I am totally against him. I'm not a huge fan lately, especially after the illegal recordings that he thought he could get away with - but I respect his determination. I have noticed, since the day I joined WS, that the culture here has been absolutely for him - without any true basis. The bottom line is - he might be a dog with a bone, but in reality, he doesn't get to chomp on them. lol. sorry for the bad analogy - but this is absolutely true!

 

[SLouTh]

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Gary Jubelin says he thinks William Tyrrell could still be alive and family deserves better
Gary Jubelin, the former top detective who led the investigation into William Tyrrell’s disappearance, has revealed why he believes the boy is still alive and his family deserves answers.

Get your questions in to Jubes

Jo in Gary and Claire Harvey for an exclusive live event online at 6:30pm AEST on Wednesday, August 19 at True Crime Australia on Facebook.

He’ll be answering selected questions from readers so email now at

[email protected]


Bit of a click bait heading

For Jubelin, it is a pressing matter that after all this time, “I can’t say definitively that William’s dead … It’s a possibility, be it remote, that he’s still alive. We need to find out what’s happened to William.”

His interview with Clair Harvey was quite good to listen to as well......

I have loads of questions, but mostly related to the inquest so I don't think he can answer those ......

 

[SouthAussie]

I can't say I agree that he was a top homicide cop, but I would say he was an awesome victim's advocate & he was tenacious. Wrt to WT, his dogged determination to find PS had something to do with his disappearance has lead absolutely no-where, and may have hindered the investigation... We'll see I guess, but it won't be a surprise to realise there was a lot of time wasted there - IMO. Also, there are 3 killers free, in just this example alone... how does that equate to being a top homicide cop? I can give you, as you well know, many examples of killers caught by an investigator who joined a team 'late'. It sounds like I am totally against him. I'm not a huge fan lately, especially after the illegal recordings that he thought he could get away with - but I respect his determination. I have noticed, since the day I joined WS, that the culture here has been absolutely for him - without any true basis. The bottom line is - he might be a dog with a bone, but in reality, he doesn't get to chomp on them. lol. sorry for the bad analogy - but this is absolutely true!

Jubes does not believe three killers are unknown.

1. He thinks he knows who the Bowraville killer is, as do others, but after a botched initial investigation (by others) and years passing before Jubes was put on the case - 7 or so years later - any hard evidence is long gone. (Ref: Bowraville by Dan Box)

2. Jubes believes that Mathew Leveson died of a drug overdose, and that his boyfriend buried him. (Obviously there would be a little more to it than that, but essentially that is his belief.) He stated that recently - perhaps in the 60 Minutes show.

3. So that leaves one potential case yet unsolved - one that was initially under the direction of Hans Rupp, and now is under the direction of someone else - and they haven't been able to solve it either.


I wonder what other detectives track records are, how many of their crime investigations have lead to no arrest.
And I wonder why Jubes was promoted to such a high level, and assigned the toughest of cases.

 

[Blues Clues]

Quick question.... is it both books we aren't to discuss, or just Searching For Spiderman?

 

[drsleuth]

I can't say I agree that he was a top homicide cop, but I would say he was an awesome victim's advocate & he was tenacious. Wrt to WT, his dogged determination to find PS had something to do with his disappearance has lead absolutely no-where, and may have hindered the investigation... We'll see I guess, but it won't be a surprise to realise there was a lot of time wasted there - IMO. Also, there are 3 killers free, in just this example alone... how does that equate to being a top homicide cop? I can give you, as you well know, many examples of killers caught by an investigator who joined a team 'late'. It sounds like I am totally against him. I'm not a huge fan lately, especially after the illegal recordings that he thought he could get away with - but I respect his determination. I have noticed, since the day I joined WS, that the culture here has been absolutely for him - without any true basis. The bottom line is - he might be a dog with a bone, but in reality, he doesn't get to chomp on them. lol. sorry for the bad analogy - but this is absolutely true!

OK , we'll have to agree to disagree on GJ being a top homicide cop.........I stand by my opinion

You are talking about just 3 cases out of how many over 30 plus years.............

AS for PS, I believe he had a reason to go as hard as he did, GJ is a very experienced homicide detective, this was by far his first rodeo so to speak. I wonder what everyone would say if he turns out that PS was / is with holding information?? That may still be to come out?

As to this statement "I have noticed, since the day I joined WS, that the culture here has been absolutely for him - without any true basis." I'm not sure how you can claim such a blanket statement.....without any true basis???

I had the pleasure of meeting & having conversations with GJ at the inquest many times ( there was alot of sitting around waiting ) I found him to be very approachable, we spoke about Bowraville, his passion was so obvious, among other things.......


Jubes was given the some of the toughest cases to solve for a reason IMO

 

[drsleuth]

Quick question.... is it both books we aren't to discuss, or just Searching For Spiderman?

Just Searching for Spiderman Blue Clues

 

[Blues Clues]

Just Searching for Spiderman Blue Clues

Thank you drsleuth

I asked because I'd like to discuss GO but I'm not sure what's allowed and what's not.

From the inquest I know when asked by CA Craddock what car he owned at the time William went missing GO said a Mazda 626.

I haven't read Missing William Tyrrell and would like to know from anyone who has read it, does it reveal anything about GO's car? Or drsleuth, was there mention at any other time during the inquest that you're aware of as to what car he owned at the time?

TIA

 

[drsleuth]

Thank you drsleuth

I asked because I'd like to discuss GO but I'm not sure what's allowed and what's not.

From the inquest I know when asked by CA Craddock what car he owned at the time William went missing GO said a Mazda 626.

I haven't read Missing William Tyrrell and would like to know from anyone who has read it, does it reveal anything about GO's car? Or drsleuth, was there mention at any other time during the inquest that you're aware of as to what car he owned at the time?

TIA

From memory , just a mazda 626 Blue Clues. I'll check my notes & check the "other" book.

It's really odd how they never finished GO's evidence when we went back to Taree

 

[Blues Clues]

From memory , just a mazda 626 Blue Clues. I'll check my notes & check the "other" book.

It's really odd how they never finished GO's evidence when we went back to Taree

Thanks for that. I'm very keen to see what CA Craddock has for him when he's next in the witness box. I imagine he has a very good reason for having GO answer certain questions before other witness's gave their testimony and then recalling him to answer further questions. All very tactical

Another thing he said was that he rang the evening of the 11th and spoke to FGM's other daughter. There was a call to FGM's landline from him the morning of the 12th which wasn't answered. Probably due to the family being outside.
If he rang the evening before, I wonder why he would ring again the next morning? Or didn't he ring the night before and if not, why did he say he did?

Argh! so many questions.

 

[drsleuth]

Thanks for that. I'm very keen to see what CA Craddock has for him when he's next in the witness box. I imagine he has a very good reason for having GO answer certain questions before other witness's gave their testimony and then recalling him to answer further questions. All very tactical

Another thing he said was that he rang the evening of the 11th and spoke to FGM's other daughter. There was a call to FGM's landline from him the morning of the 12th which wasn't answered. Probably due to the family being outside.
If he rang the evening before, I wonder why he would ring again the next morning? Or didn't he ring the night before and if not, why did he say he did?

Argh! so many questions.

I hope he's still around to give further evidence ( when ever that is )

Good questions. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say there was no call on the Thurs.

 

[Blues Clues]

I hope he's still around to give further evidence ( when ever that is )

Good questions. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say there was no call on the Thurs.

BBM

That's my guess as well.

 

[SLouTh]

Thank you drsleuth

I asked because I'd like to discuss GO but I'm not sure what's allowed and what's not.

From the inquest I know when asked by CA Craddock what car he owned at the time William went missing GO said a Mazda 626.

I haven't read Missing William Tyrrell and would like to know from anyone who has read it, does it reveal anything about GO's car? Or drsleuth, was there mention at any other time during the inquest that you're aware of as to what car he owned at the time?

TIA

I'm wondering if he may have had a town car, (the Mazda 626) and a work ute ??? <modsnip: If it's off limits and you can't discuss it, don't mention it.>

 

[drsleuth]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=315708326151666

GJ Live event

I still find in unbelievable that he was not able to give a formal handover

 

[Blues Clues]

I'm wondering if he may have had a town car, (the Mazda 626) and a work ute ??? <modsnip: If it's off limits and you can't discuss it, don't mention it.>

Given his type of work, that sounds feasible SLouTH. If correct, interesting he only mentioned the Mazda 626.

 

[SLouTh]

Given his type of work, that sounds feasible SLouTH. If correct, interesting he only mentioned the Mazda 626.

Yes, or was he giving a "truthful", but dodgy answer????

EG If Mr Craddock asked "what "car" he was driving in 2014?"
The Mazda is a truthful answer (re being a "car") but the most honest answer would have been - I have two cars...........
A Possibility......... IMO

 

[interested64]

Thanks for that. I'm very keen to see what CA Craddock has for him when he's next in the witness box. I imagine he has a very good reason for having GO answer certain questions before other witness's gave their testimony and then recalling him to answer further questions. All very tactical

Another thing he said was that he rang the evening of the 11th and spoke to FGM's other daughter. There was a call to FGM's landline from him the morning of the 12th which wasn't answered. Probably due to the family being outside.
If he rang the evening before, I wonder why he would ring again the next morning? Or didn't he ring the night before and if not, why did he say he did?

Argh! so many questions.

Would anyone know if the call was made from a cell ph and at what time,could it be to get fm running inside to answer?