Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #59

[katydid23]

Another use might be if they suspect there are two different burial sites.

1. Out in the bush they are currently searching.
2. Body moved and placed under garage prior to concreting.

Why would someone move a body BACK to their own property though? If he had been eventually found out in the bush, anyone could have left them there. It wouldn't necessarily come back to the FParents. But the garage, that's a slam dunk.

 

[JBowie]

I think she was older than 4. More like 7, IIRC.

William was born about 1 year after his sister.

 

[katydid23]

William was born about 1 year after his sister.

wow, I am getting old. I remembered it differently.

 

[PolyDot]

Why would someone move a body BACK to their own property though? If he had been eventually found out in the bush, anyone could have left them there. It wouldn't necessarily come back to the FParents. But the garage, that's a slam dunk.

I would think you would move it to a new site away from the house - less likely to be searched or found

 

[spid]

Something that was mentioned in the radio interview with GJ this morning (sorry I don't have the link but it's been shared a few times), was the interviewer said to him that the police are investigating whether FM had a second mobile phone. Did anyone else catch that? I haven't seen that reported elsewhere. I wonder what that could imply?

 

[PinkPower]

Why would someone move a body BACK to their own property though? If he had been eventually found out in the bush, anyone could have left them there. It wouldn't necessarily come back to the FParents. But the garage, that's a slam dunk.

The purpose is to hide the evidence so it can never be found.

It happens often in murder cases. Generally speaking, they like to keep an eye on where the body is to ensure it isn't found. This is a reason most bodies are buried in the vicinity of a perpetrators home or an area known very well to them. Many murderers will periodically drive by where their victim is buried to ensure they are 'safely hidden'. Many remove the body at a later date and bury it somewhere closer, and in particular, under concrete.

 

[katydid23]

She was 4 at the time

Thanks. my apologies. I thought she was older than that.

 

[katydid23]

The purpose is to hide the evidence so it can never be found.

It happens often in murder cases. Generally speaking, they like to keep an eye on where the body is to ensure it isn't found. This is a reason most bodies are buried in the vicinity of a perpetrators home or an area known very well to them. Many murderers will periodically drive by where their victim is buried to ensure they are 'safely hidden'. Many remove the body at a later date and bury it somewhere closer, and in particular, under concrete.

edit to add---this is what I read upthread---that the home was already in negotiations when they poured the concrete. But that may be erroneous info...

[But they had already sold the home, right? It seems very brazen to bury the body on property you are about to hand over to someone else.]

 

[stormyseas]

Something that was mentioned in the radio interview with GJ this morning (sorry I don't have the link but it's been shared a few times), was the interviewer said to him that the police are investigating whether FM had a second mobile phone. Did anyone else catch that? I haven't seen that reported elsewhere. I wonder what that could imply?

Yes I heard that too.. I can’t imagine what that would mean? IMO

 

[PinkPower]

But they had already sold the home, right? It seems very brazen to bury the body on property you are about to hand over to someone else.

I don't know. If they had already sold the home then I highly doubt they would bury a body under the concrete there.

I was under the impression that the new concrete was laid prior to it being sold.

 

[PenguinFromMars]

I see news saying they are looking at concrete garage floor … surely police would have noticed the re concreting happening .. I think this is just more pressure , hoping someone will crack and confess

As per my Tuesday night websleuths post, garage floor looks very freshly concreted in 2016 just prior to the real estate sale photographs. IMO the house is fairly dated, most home owners would have spent money updating the interior in preparation for sale rather than concreting and drainage works. Original post re: garage below.

"IMO, advertised for sale in 2016, the under-house garage appears to have been recently concreted or pressure washed.
(Pic 13 of 14) https://www.realestateview.com.au/property-360/property/48-benaroon-drive-kendall-nsw-2439/ (Publicly Available Info)
IMO there are three metal roof supports and one very different, single brick pier support which is possibly new and built using different bricks to those used to build the piers further up the dirt bank under the house.
There are lengths of PVC pipe and agricultural drainage pipe on the left of the photograph and a kerbed drainage channel at the base of the bank filled with blue metal. IMO, the presence of the pipes may indicate recent, extensive sub-floor drainage works.
IMO there is also a thin black shape behind the brick pier on or in the bank, a flexible object, possibly a black plastic tension-strip for a packing box, or edge of a black garbage bag?"

 

[drsleuth]

How in the hell would anyone bury a body at any time @ 48 Benaroon drive & no one see a thing??

I think it's just ridiculous to think William is or was buried there IMO

 

[PinkPower]

I would think you would move it to a new site away from the house - less likely to be searched or found

Most murderers will hide a body close to their home except in the case where it is a random killing, such as a serial killer who targets strangers, where the body is usually discarded off a highway and not buried.

People will usually bury a body that has an emotional connection to them. It is part of our cultural human behaviour of reverence in death, it isn't always only to hide them.

 

[PinkPower]

How in the hell would anyone bury a body at any time @ 48 Benaroon drive & no one see a thing??

I think it's just ridiculous to think William is or was buried there IMO

People bury bodies all the time and nobody sees them.

 

[missepic]

Curious to why Foster Parents would continue to be just that when one plans to to adopt the child?

If you are a foster parent, is your name perpetually supressed ?
When you become an adoptive parent, is your name no longer supressed?

Curious to how long fostering - adopting timelines take

 

[bearbear]

in general, someone cold enough to kill a child, not by accident, would be cold enough to bury that child and lie convincingly about it

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Sorta reminds me of the BS search days

I agree, I'm getting 'deja vu' vibes. If nothing comes from these searches, ground examinations etc, the FFC can be cleared to the satisfaction of the Coroner, imo. Then, they can move forward and the coroner can determine whether WT's disappearance is a result of misadventure or by the hands of another person or persons.

The charges relating to WT's sister is a another matter that needs to be taken seriously without hesitation, I think we can all agree with that.

I was thinking last night, if the FFC are innocent of wrong doing with regards to little William, no accidental death, no murder, no disposal of a body and cover up, there's the 'perp' sitting somewhere enjoying the new show on their t.v screens, free as a bird. If the FFC were involved, the same can be said for them, of course.
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The Coroner cannot find someone guilty of a crime. If, at any time during the course of an inquest or inquiry, the Coroner forms an opinion that a known person has committed an indictable offence in connection with the death the Coroner is required to suspend the inquest or inquiry and refer the matter to the Director of Public Prosecutions. It is entirely a matter for the Director of Public Prosecutions to determine whether charges should be laid against the person, and a matter for the criminal courts to determine whether the person is guilty.

Role of the Coroner

 

[katydid23]

People bury bodies all the time and nobody sees them.

But when could the Foster family had done so in this case?

Once they called and reported him missing they could not have buried him in the garage, IMO. Too many eyes on them already.

It could only be done before---but then it would have been noticeable when the police arrived and were looking for a crime scene to see what happened to him.

I don't see any believable way that he was buried anywhere on that property.

 

[PolyDot]

As per my Tuesday night post, it looks as though garage floor was re-concreted in 2016 just prior to the real estate sale photographs at https://www.realestateview.com.au/property-360/property/48-benaroon-drive-kendall-nsw-2439/ (Public Info)

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #59

IMO the house is fairly dated and money would have been better spent updating the interior in preparation for sale.

IMO maybe not final resting place if WT is still in vicinity.

So concreting happened 2016 ? Grandma sold in 2014 .. finalised just after William went missing

 

[JBowie]

Charges have been laid. Would that have happened without someone first officially speaking with the victim? Genuine question as I don't know how Australia deals with Family/Criminal issues like this.

Police usually get involved as the result of a complaint being raised to them by someone. Next step is to investigate and, where a child is concerned, they would get the relevant children's services agency involved. The victim would then be interviewed by both police and the agency.

Once police are satisfied that the law has been broken, they lay charges.