Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #59

[drsleuth]

Emily Burley

The AFP is using its ground penetrating radar to check for abnormalities under the slab of concrete in the garage of the home William Tyrrell disappeared from. The Kendall property was owned by his late foster grandmother but has since been sold.

 

[PolyDot]

Does anyone know what car foster mum was driving when she went to pick up sister from airport - was it grandmas car ?? not sure if that was the evening of Williams disappearance or the evening after ..

 

[drsleuth]

Hm, this new search is certainly intense

Sorta reminds me of the BS search days

 

[misty48]

What on earth makes you think she’s made a false accusation? And when, in the history of Australia, has a 10 year old ever been imprisoned for such a thing, let alone for seven years? I don’t think this is important to remember, there is no basis at all for this comment IMO. I’m shocked to be honest. We don’t even know how this AVO came about and people seem to have their claws out for this child.

I haven't said she's made a false accusation, merely said that it's a criminal offence if she has. The AVO has helped fuel a scenario previously discounted by police and includes a report by a detective apparently telling a member of the bio family that they were digging up the FGM property & would probably find bones there. That's highly unprofessional imo if the officer said that.
William Tyrrell's biological grandmother reveals she had suspicions about new person from BEGINNING | Daily Mail Online

Perhaps it's also worth bearing in mind that there's no evidence William is actually dead. Who benefits if no remains are found during this current search & the FM is added to the list of potential perps?

 

[dragon52]

Sorta reminds me of the BS search days

Who is BS?

 

[PinkPower]

Would there be a psychological reason for hiding the body as opposed to reporting an accident? The only reason I can think of (and I take your point about perspectives) is that it was murder not accident. Otherwise, logically, the outcome from reporting an accident is way less risky than being found later to have perverted the truth.

There's a good saying - "people who have nothing to hide, hide nothing".

The reasons someone might cover up an accident could be;

1. They were somehow negligent and feared other consequences (such as losing their other child), or severe social or financial consequences, such as going to prison.

2. There was abuse involved (current or previous).

In other words, self-interest and self-protection are the reasons people cover things up.

JMO.

 

[katydid23]

I suspect the reason the police are working with a hydrologist is because they can ascertain patterns in water and normal weather degradation of soil, as opposed to human-caused soil disruption (in the case of for example, a lot of water used in a small area to remove body fluids.)

The technology they use can detect soil disruption that isn't natural, yes.

I am not convinced. From this description below, it does not sound like they can do what you are describing above. They are using GPR through a concrete driveway and reading the radio frequencies to look for anomilies like buried containers. I do not believe that could tell whether an area was hosed down 5 years previously. JMO


Description

Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR) uses high-frequency pulsed electromagnetic waves to map subsurface information. GPR uses transmitting and receiving antennae, which are dragged along the ground surface. The transmitting antenna radiates short pulses of high-frequency radio waves into the ground. The wave spreads out and travels downward. If it hits a buried object or a boundary with different electrical properties, the receiving antenna records variations in the reflected return signal. The principles involved are similar to reflection seismology, except that electromagnetic energy is used instead of acoustic energy, and the resulting image is relatively easy to interpret. Integration of GPR data with other surface geophysical methods reduces uncertainty in site characterization. GPR provides the highest lateral and vertical resolution of any surface geophysical method.

Best penetration is achieved in dry sandy soils or massive dry materials such as granite, limestone, and concrete. GPR provides the greatest resolution of currently available surface geophysical methods. It is the only reliable method for detecting buried plastic containers.

 

[Random-me]

Who is BS?

A previous POI who was cleared of wrongdoing. He's now suing

 

[drsleuth]

Does anyone know what car foster mum was driving when she went to pick up sister from airport - was it grandmas car ?? not sure if that was the evening of Williams disappearance or the evening after ..

It was the 18/9/14 from memory, when she remembered the cars & got back & ran to the command post to tell about the cars

 

[dragon52]

A previous POI who was innocent of wrongdoing. He's now suing

Got it! Thanks.

 

[drsleuth]

Who is BS?

Bill Spedding

 

[Tigerlily75]

I haven't said she's made a false accusation, merely said that it's a criminal offence if she has. The AVO has helped fuel a scenario previously discounted by police and includes a report by a detective apparently telling a member of the bio family that they were digging up the FGM property & would probably find bones there. That's highly unprofessional imo if the officer said that.
William Tyrrell's biological grandmother reveals she had suspicions about new person from BEGINNING | Daily Mail Online

Perhaps it's also worth bearing in mind that there's no evidence William is actually dead. Who benefits if no remains are found during this current search & the FM is added to the list of potential perps?

10 year olds are not locked away for such things and I think it’s absolutely disingenuous to suggest she’s at risk of this and what that implies. The rest has nothing to do with what I said. The current searches are stemming from coronial orders.

 

[PinkPower]

I am not convinced. From this description below, it does not sound like they can do what you are describing above. They are using GPR through a concrete driveway and reading the radio frequencies to look for anomilies like buried containers. I do not believe that could tell whether an area was hosed down 5 years previously. JMO


Description

Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR) uses high-frequency pulsed electromagnetic waves to map subsurface information. GPR uses transmitting and receiving antennae, which are dragged along the ground surface. The transmitting antenna radiates short pulses of high-frequency radio waves into the ground. The wave spreads out and travels downward. If it hits a buried object or a boundary with different electrical properties, the receiving antenna records variations in the reflected return signal. The principles involved are similar to reflection seismology, except that electromagnetic energy is used instead of acoustic energy, and the resulting image is relatively easy to interpret. Integration of GPR data with other surface geophysical methods reduces uncertainty in site characterization. GPR provides the highest lateral and vertical resolution of any surface geophysical method.

Best penetration is achieved in dry sandy soils or massive dry materials such as granite, limestone, and concrete. GPR provides the greatest resolution of currently available surface geophysical methods. It is the only reliable method for detecting buried plastic containers.

If an area was hosed down evenly, like you normally would with a driveway, there would be no purpose in using this equipment.

If an area was hosed down intensely in just one spot, the dirt would be impacted and provide an inconsistent dirt pattern under the ground which would be found with that technology.

The same way they can scan underground to see if dirt has been dug up and relaid when a body is moved. The dirt shows different patterns of compaction and will give a reading.

They might be looking for dug up dirt that was removed, also.
JMO.

 

[PolyDot]

There's a good saying - "people who have nothing to hide, hide nothing".

The reasons someone might cover up an accident could be;

1. They were somehow negligent and feared other consequences (such as losing their other child), or severe social or financial consequences, such as going to prison.

2. There was abuse involved (current or previous).

In other words, self-interest and self-protection are the reasons people cover things up.

JMO.

Where is the body ? They have searched area near foster grandmas house a few times & found nothing …1) died close to house I would think maybe placed in temporary place nearby house then move at later date or 2) taken and killed in a different area and body hid
At this stage all eyes are on foster mum - so what car did she use to pick up her sister ? , was she alone , how long was she gone ? I would be asking those questions

 

[katydid23]

Does anyone know what car foster mum was driving when she went to pick up sister from airport - was it grandmas car ?? not sure if that was the evening of Williams disappearance or the evening after ..

I think it was said in here that foster mum used Grandmother's car to go to the airport. And I believe it was just impounded for inspection?

 

[PinkPower]

Where is the body ? They have searched area near foster grandmas house a few times & found nothing …1) died close to house I would think maybe placed in temporary place nearby house then move at later date or 2) taken and killed in a different area and body hid
At this stage all eyes are on foster mum - so what car did she use to pick up her sister ? , was she alone , how long was she gone ? I would be asking those questions

They're searching a 5 metre square area for the remains, which is very specific and hasn't been searched before, I believe.

 

[silverau]

Does anyone know what car foster mum was driving when she went to pick up sister from airport - was it grandmas car ?? not sure if that was the evening of Williams disappearance or the evening after ..

I don't know for sure but um assuming the FGM car.

The FP vehicle would have had the child safety seats in for both children already, and therefore needed to be where LT (and if WT came back) were in case they had to go out somewhere in the meantime.

Sure they could always take the car seats out but its a pain in the derriere.

 

[drsleuth]

If an area was hosed down evenly, like you normally would with a driveway, there would be no purpose in using this equipment.

If an area was hosed down intensely in just one spot, the dirt would be impacted and provide an inconsistent dirt pattern under the ground which would be found with that technology.

The same way they can scan underground to see if dirt has been dug up and relaid when a body is moved. The dirt shows different patterns of compaction and will give a reading.

They might be looking for dug up dirt that was removed, also.
JMO.

I'm sure if the area had been hosed extensively on the day William vanished, the cops would have noticed..........

 

[PolyDot]

They're searching a 5 metre square area for the remains, which is very specific and hasn't been searched before, I believe.

I wonder if that is possible temporary burial site .. I think you might want to put body somewhere it is not found .. not near the house .
Unsure of which airport ? But see there is a wooded area on way to Macquarie airport ? Wonder what access is like

 

[Random-me]

I haven't said she's made a false accusation, merely said that it's a criminal offence if she has. The AVO has helped fuel a scenario previously discounted by police and includes a report by a detective apparently telling a member of the bio family that they were digging up the FGM property & would probably find bones there. That's highly unprofessional imo if the officer said that.
William Tyrrell's biological grandmother reveals she had suspicions about new person from BEGINNING | Daily Mail Online

Perhaps it's also worth bearing in mind that there's no evidence William is actually dead. Who benefits if no remains are found during this current search & the FM is added to the list of potential perps?

Can we just remember that there may not even be an accusation. It may be based on information from others in her life and part of ongoing observations.