Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #62

[Estelle]

What I can't understand is why FFC's drive in FGM's car was never included in the timeline of her morning as if it was covered up. However, someone here said she told LE on the sixth day about it. Is that correct? But it was never released until the inquest. Why was that?

 

[PolyDot]

What I can't understand is why FFC's drive in FGM's car was never included in the timeline of her morning as if it was covered up. However, someone here said she told LE on the sixth day about it. Is that correct? But it was never released until the inquest. Why was that?

Yes odd , I can’t remember did they examine car previously ??

 

[JayWill]

Whereas accidental makes more sense to me..

Do you know of any cases where a child died from an accident and a parent hid the body to cover up? IMO that is extremely unlikely.

 

[kiwi50]

I wonder if loyalties have changed since FGM died.
Maybe FM siblings know a lot more, but didn’t want to wreck FGMs last years.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Years ago I had a phone that did that.
On mine if you were on a call, you could hear the call waiting tone, but when you looked at the log it hadn't recorded it.

As per the article I linked, they actually discovered later on that because Spedding was on another call at the time, his log did not record the incoming call from FM. A technical inability of the phone (to notate in the call log a 'call-waiting' incoming call) ..... something they weren't aware of at the time.

 

[k-mac]

Whilst it's almost unbelievable to me that FM has pulled this off, its more unbelievable that LE have done this without major evidence IMO.

So I agree with other posters. I think there's been multiple new evidence. Like one domino fell and then the rest started falling. I believe LE now have everything they need to take this to court, but a confession would be the icing cake. If they don't get a confession it's still going to court. MOO.

JMO, but I believe an arrest/s is imminent. And given LEs recent love of theatre, the arrest/s may well be done right outside the courthouse in full view of the media. MOO.

I think so too.

They have all the ingredients, its baking in the oven now and they are deciding on whether they can ice it too.

Its too absolute the statements made by LE last week.

IMO speculating its the mazda has turned up Williams DNA and its been denounced he was ever in that car.

moo

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes odd , I can’t remember did they examine car previously ??

IIRC another member posted a link (within the last week or so) that said that yes, the FGM's car had been searched previously, it hadn't been forensically tested.

 

[Detective Willy]

If the prosecution get all of their ducks lined up they will still have a massive roadblock in front of them. This guy looks very good!!

John Korn, Ada Evans Chambers - Doyle's Guide (doylesguide.com)

 

[Donnertronner]

I agree that they are probably trying to pressure a specific person to talk.

I’m reluctant to say “NSWPOL wouldn’t go to these lengths unless they were certain” because they have certainly done it before, but these are the reasons I think they know what they are doing this time:

1. We all know who the POI is. An unknown POI has just received a million dollar payout for being wrongfully targeted. It’s not BS or PS, so there are two even larger payouts pending. NSWPOL wouldn’t risk an even larger payout of they got it wrong this time.

2. NSWPOL haven’t clarified that their current POI is not the FC, which I think they would do if it wasn’t her for the reasons above.

3. The search is overly theatrical, so I think (hope) this is a deliberate strategy.

4. A grave archaeologist has spoken to the media giving specific details. He is not a member of NSWPOL. Usually it’s only police that release information to the media while the contractors get on with their job. He has therefore had police approval to speak.

5. The grave archaeologist has given very specific information re a body being “placed” rather than “buried”. This means that a contractor is giving out operational inside information. A contractor wouldn’t gild the lily. He’s an archaeologist, not an actor. If this information was just speculative, it would have been released by police not a contractor.

I think this is about making someone sweat. And that person would be being watched very carefully and I think the timing of the release of information is very strategic. If I was a betting person, I’d bet that they already have what they are looking for and are now trying to extract a confession rather than having to go to trial on circumstantial evidence on a bunch of charges that the DPP will find difficult to prove.

All just MOO.

Very useful analysis, thank you.

 

[Awakening]

Do you know of any cases where a child died from an accident and a parent hid the body to cover up? IMO that is extremely unlikely.

I think extremely unlikely too.

Hit and run, driver panics and instead of stopping to assist, flees the scene

A fight breaks out in a night club, a victim is killed by a punch, the offender flees the scene.

In those 2 scenarios, the offenders are not stopping to hide the body, or hanging around to tell stories.

Where an "accidental" death involves the hiding of the body, destroying evidence, telling stories there's almost always a history of physical or sexual abuse.

For example: a male "accidentally" kills his female partner and covers it up, but male has a long history of violence against the female.

Sadly, I've read to many cases where a child is found deceased but parents don't seek medical attention because the parents have a history of abusing the child.

I don't know what happened in this case, my observations above are unrelated to this case, a broad observation on accidental deaths.

 

[katydid23]

they have said they have a new witness so they clearly know something which had lead them down this avenue.


You don’t do all this on a hunch as why would they fund a mission that’s gonna cost millions if it’s guess work?! I have more faith in LE!

They may have a witness, but the witness did not see the FM kill him or bury him, apparently. The witness saw something else but we don't know what they are a witness to yet.

They did do similar things on their previous hunches so I don't know why this mission would be any different.

 

[Detective Willy]

If the prosecution get all of their ducks lined up they will still have a massive roadblock in front of them. This guy looks very good!!

John Korn, Ada Evans Chambers - Doyle's Guide (doylesguide.com)

These guys cost a bomb too.. Looking at $5K+ a day for a good defence lawyer

Attorney General's rates for Legal Representation (nsw.gov.au)

 

[Donnertronner]

As we all know, Hans Rupp ordered the searches of Spedding's properties primarily because ...

They had received a report that Spedding's vehicle was seen in the area at the time William disappeared
The record of FM's proven call to Spedding was (inexplicably, at the time) not found in his call log

No Cookies | Daily Telegraph

Although it was later verified that calls received while on another call would not show up on the call log.

 

[Aimee2]

Speaking in Canberra, NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller said the search for the young boy's remains would continue "until investigators believe the job is done".

"We have taken 15 tonnes of soil and other pieces of evidence or potential evidence back for forensic investigation," Commissioner Fuller said.

William Tyrrell search to last 'weeks and weeks' as 15 tonnes of soil sent to lab for testing

 

[Deleted member 296843]

Its so strange that they didn't go to Kendall earlier they waited approximately 8months,

I wonder if the foster couple are a second marriage could the foster mother hav had previous biological children before this marriage, or could the foster father hav had biological children before this marriage, maby the foster children with plans to adopt the children were just to keep this marriage together or possibly to get the biological children out of the picture and possibly secure control of future wills and assets,

do we know anything about the foster family previous to their application to foster a sibling group long term in 2011, probably not due to suppression

due to their age group i think its odd to wait this far in life to hav children it makes me think its a second marriage and I doubt the desire to always want children was the foster mothers life priority,

I often wonder why not visit the fathers grave sooner, is she struggling that much with WT or does she not want to leave WT with the foster father for one weekend to go to Kendall, it makes me think she isn't very close to her own mother and father as she only whent for funeral and it was mentioned this trip was to do with sale of house and items in it,

would her marriage hav lasted this long without the disappearance of WT could it hav given sympathy and control to keep this man with her its been mentioned in previous posts that they are separated but they were together in the photos from the media and she was wearing her wedding and engagement rings, the media described them going for a drive to the airport together but no one getting out of the car, then the next route of photography was only the foster mother going to apparently fire her lawyer

Would it be normal practice for the couple to hire the same lawyer for the restraining order and charge or would a couple normally hav seperate lawyers at this stage its looking like only the wife has the new lawyer,

I wonder if the couple are only a couple for the media and for the foster daughter, its possible that the foster father has his own life now and even possible he may have another woman, even possible he may hav a new child as his identity is suppressed we know nothing about them and only speculating

 

[katydid23]

Or...they have accessed the car's driving history through gps. May explain how they have chosen those specific spots. The car seems to be the key.

Right, but just because the car was there, it doesn't mean the driver dumped a body.
That's where speculation comes in.

 

[Deleted member 161976]

However, someone here said she told LE on the sixth day about it. Is that correct? But it was never released until the inquest. Why was that?

FFC spoke about driving in the car in a run through of what happened on day WT disappeared to police in 2014.

 

[Trivento]

Listening again to the first 3 mins of attached video clip ( from 2019 ) with CO…
Still find it strange that this account seems to have just faded away…
Also would be quite perplexing to think what it was all about ..if present line of enquiry turns out to have credibility…

 

[Deleted member 296843]

I wonder if they should of waited for better weather, insted of doing a dig and letting it all wash away in heavy rain

 

[silverau]

New clue found despite heavy rains hampering search for William Tyrrell

8.17 am Nov 22

Behind paywall. Black piece of fabric found in the area where the pieces of "red string" were found.

Sent away for testing.

New group of searchers were inducted yesterday, to give a break to some officers who worked hard all last week.

Only bit of black fabric I can see from the clothing Id board is the spider bit of the suit and parts of the shirt underneath.

Edit: having a hard time figuring how to attach images lmao here's the url Google Image Result for https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CORXeG4U8AEPQtZ.jpg