Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #62

[SouthAussie]

they have said they have a new witness so they clearly know something which had lead them down this avenue.


You don’t do all this on a hunch as why would they fund a mission that’s gonna cost millions if it’s guess work?! I have more faith in LE!

I haven't yet seen that there is a 'new witness'. All I have read is that there is 'new information'.

As speculated previously, this new information could be that the Coroner has determined that:

FGM's car has not been forensically tested previously
The garden bed was not forensically tested previously
The garage floor was not forensically tested/x-rayed previously
The creek area was not searched to her satisfaction

There was a similar situation in June 2018 where a massive search was undertaken in specific areas around Benaroon Drive .... a massive search to seek 'forensic evidence', in conjunction with the Coroner.

These investigations can be as much to rule things out as to rule things in.

 

[Limaes]

"I just went, 'There were two cars there.' My heart just sank because I thought those two cars were there for both of them," she said"

FM thought there were 2 cars to take both the children? Was she suspicious of the bio family at this point?

In my opinion she sounds like an author who thinks she just come up with a great plot line.

The alarming thing is that the day prior bio Dad had told police if he was involved he would have taken both of them. Then she comes up with this unsubstantiated story.

 

[Deleted member 161976]

IMO, runoff from the bush area that they are searching would topographically run to the creek they've pumped. It would make sense that they ensure nothing has washed down to the creek from the targeted area.

In the opinion of hydrologist professer John Olley, that's the purpose of the creek pump, as stated in MSM.

"Hydrologist Professor John Olley, who is working with police on the investigation, has concluded that if William’s body was in that small patch, it could only have then moved to a nearby tributary on private land, which police will now search for bones or fragments of clothing."
William Tyrrell’s foster mother emerges as person of interest

 

[k-mac]

William Tyrrell investigation: Police set to take out AVO against missing boy’s foster parents as search in Kendall reignites | 7NEWS

On Monday, Detective Chief Superintendent Darren Bennett announced police would be searching at three locations in the Kendall area.

The renewed push came about after fresh evidence emerged in the investigation.
“This activity is in response to evidence we’ve obtained in the course of the investigation, it’s not speculative in any way,” Bennett told reporters on Monday.

 

[HilaryHormone]

I’ve been reading through the Inquest threads and came across something that I couldn’t find a definitive answer to.

MFC said he returned around 10:35 and drove into the garage. He met FFC, realised what was happening then ran around looking and calling out for WT. FFC called Police who arrived at 11:06.

First responder testified at the inquest that he did not search the garage or the cars. More specifically he stated:

“I would have tried to do it, but it was either locked or too heavy for a young child to lift himself’

Was the garage door open for MFC to just drive on in? Presumably, he closed it behind him?

Is that why LE have been focussing on the garage floor?


Police officer takes stand in Tyrrell inquest

Just wondering, if LE have gone back to the start then this could be one of the loose ends they’re tying up. Unless there is an explanation RE an auto door.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

I think they came out aggressively to try and pressure someone and force someone to talk. I think if they were really certain they wouldn't have had to leak so much info before they obtained the solid evidence from these searches. JMO

I agree that they are probably trying to pressure a specific person to talk.

I’m reluctant to say “NSWPOL wouldn’t go to these lengths unless they were certain” because they have certainly done it before, but these are the reasons I think they know what they are doing this time:

1. We all know who the POI is. An unknown POI has just received a million dollar payout for being wrongfully targeted. It’s not BS or PS, so there are two even larger payouts pending. NSWPOL wouldn’t risk an even larger payout of they got it wrong this time.

2. NSWPOL haven’t clarified that their current POI is not the FC, which I think they would do if it wasn’t her for the reasons above.

3. The search is overly theatrical, so I think (hope) this is a deliberate strategy.

4. A grave archaeologist has spoken to the media giving specific details. He is not a member of NSWPOL. Usually it’s only police that release information to the media while the contractors get on with their job. He has therefore had police approval to speak.

5. The grave archaeologist has given very specific information re a body being “placed” rather than “buried”. This means that a contractor is giving out operational inside information. A contractor wouldn’t gild the lily. He’s an archaeologist, not an actor. If this information was just speculative, it would have been released by police not a contractor.

I think this is about making someone sweat. And that person would be being watched very carefully and I think the timing of the release of information is very strategic. If I was a betting person, I’d bet that they already have what they are looking for and are now trying to extract a confession rather than having to go to trial on circumstantial evidence on a bunch of charges that the DPP will find difficult to prove.

All just MOO.

 

[sleepinoz]

they have said they have a new witness so they clearly know something which had lead them down this avenue.


You don’t do all this on a hunch as why would they fund a mission that’s gonna cost millions if it’s guess work?! I have more faith in LE!

I for one have always had faith in LE, but not in this case.

These searches have almost become commonplace with Williams case, and Millions have already been spent in regard to BS, FA and also PS, what's another million or so for a new search.

I truly hope this is not another wild goose chase trying to get answers before sending it to Cold Cases and the retirement of a few higher up's.

 

[SouthAussie]

William Tyrrell investigation: Police set to take out AVO against missing boy’s foster parents as search in Kendall reignites | 7NEWS

On Monday, Detective Chief Superintendent Darren Bennett announced police would be searching at three locations in the Kendall area.

The renewed push came about after fresh evidence emerged in the investigation.
“This activity is in response to evidence we’ve obtained in the course of the investigation, it’s not speculative in any way,” Bennett told reporters on Monday.

It is not speculative because the searches are being done under Coroner's orders.

The searches are accordingly 'specific'. And may rule things in or rule them out. imo


'We are acting on behalf of the Coroner and in conjunction with the coronial orders, she will be kept updated with regard to our progress."
Coroner demands Channel Ten hand over information from its William Tyrrell podcast | Daily Mail Online

 

[Estelle]

In my opinion she sounds like an author who thinks she just come up with a great plot line.

The alarming thing is that the day prior bio Dad had told police if he was involved he would have taken both of them. Then she comes up with this unsubstantiated story.

I agree with you. I also think FFC has a writer's mindset - such a vivid imagination. What a fantasist she is! It works for distraction too.

 

[Limaes]

I do find FFC’s recollections odd, but maybe she only found a trio of strange vehicles odd in the context of WT being missing with no trace. I believe that was her reasoning at the Inquest. WT’s birth parents were not aware of any addresses linked to the Foster family.

I think the possibility that the birth family had snatched WT was a reasonable assumption for anyone to make, based on their history; However I did read birth parents testimony from the Inquest and there was certainly no subtle approach from LE. Apparently they banged on their door that day and asked them what they’d done with WT. Can’t imagine the distress of finding out your child was missing in such a confrontational manner. LE initially assumed the younger sibling was WT also as far as I can recall from podcast and previous threads where WS members actually attended the Inquest and heard testimony.

Also, a close friend of WT’s Paternal Gran had connections to two suspects in the case at the time.

Best friend of missing toddler William Tyrrell's grandmother questioned by police | Daily Mail Online

William Tyrrell's foster-mother feared her daughter would be abduction target


With regards to FFC asking WT’s sister if she had heard Daddy’s car, there was also mention of his sister having told FFC WT had gone to look for Daddy. If I recall correctly, they had a new car. Is it possible WT had wandered down the road and mistakenly approached a vehicle, thinking it was MFC and the occupant acted impulsively and took him? There was a loud vehicle heard by various neighbours at some point, so IMO its possible.

She claims that she believed someone took him almost immediately. There had to be some foundation for her belief and these mystery cars would have been a good start and made her claims more credible in my opinion.

 

[sleepinoz]

She claims that she believed someone took him almost immediately. There had to be some foundation for her belief and these mystery cars would have been a good start and made her claims more credible in my opinion.

Probably because William was hidden from the authorities once before, that would put many idea's into my head.

 

[Limaes]

'She's a very decent human being': Former detective Gary Jubelin stands up for foster mother - 2GB

In this interview GJ is asked by the interviewer whether he had any knowledge of the FFC having a second phone. GJ replies no. Could there be a second phone discovered which has pinged to the current search locations?

Or...they have accessed the car's driving history through gps. May explain how they have chosen those specific spots. The car seems to be the key.

 

[k-mac]

It is not speculative because the searches are being done under Coroner's orders.

The searches are accordingly 'specific'. And may rule things in or rule them out. imo


'We are acting on behalf of the Coroner and in conjunction with the coronial orders, she will be kept updated with regard to our progress."
Coroner demands Channel Ten hand over information from its William Tyrrell podcast | Daily Mail Online

' evidence we’ve obtained in the course of the investigation' is pretty clear and definitive what it means.

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moo

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[SouthAussie]

She claims that she believed someone took him almost immediately. There had to be some foundation for her belief and these mystery cars would have been a good start and made her claims more credible in my opinion.

We have always wondered if FM very quickly thought 'someone' had taken William because the BP had taken William and hidden him in the past.


William Tyrrell's biological parents hid him from authorities for six weeks
The court heard how Tyrrell's parents were in a "troubled relationship" with a history of substance abuse and domestic violence when he was born on June 26, 2011.
Nine months later, the Department of Family and Community Services received a court order to place the boy into care, but his parents hid him for six weeks at his paternal grandfather's house in western Sydney.
William Tyrrell's parents hid him from authorities before putting him in foster care, court hears

 

[Estelle]

Probably because William was hidden from the authorities once before, that would put many idea's into my head.

IMO FCC already had this plot worked out but when that doesn't work there are plenty of local pedos to blame!

 

[k-mac]

IMO FCC already had this plot worked out but when that doesn't work there are plenty of local pedos to blame!

And invented pedo's. Lets not forget Spedding here.

moo

 

[Limaes]

I agree with you. I also think FFC has a writer's mindset - such a vivid imagination. What a fantasist she is! It works for distraction too.

It is a pattern throughout the case. Her rambling letter complaining after GJ was flicked and William's sister's speech at the inquest are a couple of examples.

 

[asyousay]

It is not speculative because the searches are being done under Coroner's orders.

The searches are accordingly 'specific'. And may rule things in or rule them out. imo


'We are acting on behalf of the Coroner and in conjunction with the coronial orders, she will be kept updated with regard to our progress."
Coroner demands Channel Ten hand over information from its William Tyrrell podcast | Daily Mail Online

Great post

 

[Mrs G Norris]

If the payout wasn’t for BS or PS .. who the sam heck was it?

 

[Morrisa]

Can anyone remember at the last search before this one when Jubelin was in charge that they all of a sudden dramatically moved to another area and he said words to the effect that "we don't search specific areas for no reason'. Was that Batar Creek Rd?