Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #64

[katydid23]

20.12.2015: Foster Mother says William’s sister may have been the only witness to abduction and that she knows a “bad person took William”.

William Tyrrell’s doomed life

If FM is responsible for his disappearance, what a disgusting thing to say to his sister to terrify her for life.

Wouldn't it be a dumb thing to say, if FM was the actual kidnapper herself? Why would she want others to think the sister actually witnessed it?

Wouldn't that make LE and others question her more aggressively? And couldn't that backfire on the FM if she was the perpetrator?

 

[Burtrito]

Helmets on small heads can often be a poor fit. They either fall off, or the kids pull them off at the first opportunity.

He definitely doesn’t have a helmet on in the video of him riding

 

[Naobh]

Some people might do it for the money - but, if they are loving and caring, then what would be the issue? we have a shortage of foster carers in australia and I would like to see FACS raising the amount to attract more loving families to do this...

Hundreds of carers needed in regional areas as COVID causes foster carer shortage

Yes I like the idea of career foster carers, because it certainly is a full time job. Yes it's so rewarding, but so are many other less intensive jobs. I would still like to see other changes to the system too. Did you say earlier that many child protection workers are not qualified social workers? With little supervision? I can see why facs would try to avoid scrutiny in this case imo and that lack of transparency is only one problem with the whole system. Your statistics were interesting too. They felt higher than i thought. I wonder why the department are the ones who downloaded the photos of WT from the camera? Though I'm sure it's been discussed. I hope no case workers could be involved in trying to help make anyone look innocent, even for relatively benign reasons. imo.

 

[katydid23]

Also fascinating from the article posted is this. I mean, I always suspected this was their motivation for their names being suppressed. But, clearly at this point it has nothing to do with William’s status as a foster child, so why is this continuing??

“The foster parents fought hard to keep their names suppressed from the media.

“According to NSW Supreme Court documents in the case brought by children's advocate Allanna Smith against FACS, the foster parents feared they would be identified and this would bring further harassment of themselves, their family and friends.”

I think it is continuing to protect his older sister.

 

[BreakingNews]

I have been listening to the “Little boy lost” podcast about William, it contains Lia Harris’ interviews with the foster parents in 2015.
In part 2, at around the 7:50 minute mark, when Lia Harris asks what they would say to the abductors, the foster mother says, “you can’t keep this…you can’t keep this secret, it’s not right to take children, it’s not a piece of rubbish on a road”.
Is this the quote about rubbish on the road people were looking for earlier?

The foster father’s distress during these interviews is very moving and seems very authentic to me.
The foster mother’s suffering also seems very real and convincing too. I am sure that whatever happened to William that morning has traumatized her….whether she knows what happened or not.

What I can’t reconcile is her story of the two mysterious cars.
In part 1 of the interviews with Lia Harris, the foster mum goes into detail about seeing them first when she wakes up, then later when she is playing with William in the garden.
No one else sees these cars, none of the neighbors, not even the foster father as he is leaving for his phone meeting/errands….even though they were apparently parked directly across the road??

She herself admits it wasn't until late that day when she picked up her sister from the plane that she remembered seeing those cars. Then she said that she we t straight to police still searching and told them. I don t have the exact link but this has been widely discussed in FFC interviews

 

[SouthAussie]

The sister was about 4 and half at the time. IMO, she was more lilely told that a bad person took William.

Of course she likely was. No-one is going to tell her that William went on a long holiday to Hawaii, or that a good person took William.

imo

 

[JBowie]

Of course she likely was. No-one is going to tell her that William went on a long holiday to Hawaii, or that a good person took William.

My point is that she did not come up with that statement herself. IMO, she did not witness any such thing herself and cannot "know" it other than as someone else's version of events.

 

[HilaryHormone]

Also fascinating from the article posted is this. I mean, I always suspected this was their motivation for their names being suppressed. But, clearly at this point it has nothing to do with William’s status as a foster child, so why is this continuing??

“The foster parents fought hard to keep their names suppressed from the media.

“According to NSW Supreme Court documents in the case brought by children's advocate Allanna Smith against FACS, the foster parents feared they would be identified and this would bring further harassment of themselves, their family and friends.”

I do wonder if the suppression will continue now that they don’t have care of another foster child. I imagine their lawyers could argue to maintain their anonymity in light of the history of harassment though. That said, their details are quite easy to find online, even for the idly curious.

The link below details some of the harassment they are said to have experienced. I reckon I’d fight to continue to have my identity suppressed in those circumstances too.

“They endured threats so serious one person was jailed, were accused of stealing from a registered charity and had their address repeatedly revealed.
Even at the inquest the harassment continued, with some of the antagonists illegally photographing the foster parents inside the court complex and posting the pictures online.“

William’s birth family also noted “the egging of the father’s home, online abuse and unsupportive sections of the media had added to their overwhelming grief”


William Tyrrell’s foster parents say they fear prime suspects will die before truth uncovered

 

[Naobh]

Of course she likely was. No-one is going to tell her that William went on a long holiday to Hawaii, or that a good person took William.

imo

Oh I think the original quote is the FFC implying that the child saw something herself. Which others doubt. Which others doubt their doubt.

 

[SouthAussie]

Oh I think the original quote is the FFC implying that the child saw something herself. Which others doubt. Which others doubt their doubt.

I don't think so. We all remember William's sister asking people when William was going to come home. She would have had to be told something that explained her parents grief, and why William was no longer with them.
FM was simply acknowledging what the sister had been told. imo

 

[BreakingNews]

Oh ok

My issue is more around the whole system more broadly rather than individual carers. I take my hat off to carers who selflessly dedicate their time to making a difference to kids lives whilst also understanding and advocating for change.

There is a minority who do it for the money and are probably the ones who end up resenting and hurting kids.

A smaller minoroty who are sick in the head and seek access to vulnerable kids.

Others who see themselves as "saviours", not understanding the importance of maintaining family connections and strengthening families to proactively prevent removals. They're probably the ones who kick kids out at 18 for not being grateful enough.

These are purely my observations only from knowing kids in the system and reading stories online (royal commission etc).

Australia has a dark history with child removals, some interesting reading if you're interested and might explain some of the policy differences. x

Australia is not the only country with a dark history of child removal. . Fyi I remedied many false Aboriginal adoptions in the NT in the 1980's and early 1990's.
But we aren't talking ancient history now
This is about no-one else other than WT and 2014. Let's stay on topic

 

[BreakingNews]

@Tench do you think if there was blood in a car from 7 years ago, that DNA would be able to be extracted from it after this much time?

Also, with gardening bags, like hessian type material, do you think that DNA evidence would be able to be extracted after all of this time?

IDK, but I sure hope so.

 

[Jaded325594]

But here's the kicker.

We KNOW LT's name.

They have a completely different name, it is a convenient loophole.

KT gained my empathy and respect when she went on camera and exposed herself to Mel Doyle.
It was a very selfless raw thing to do. The critism she has coped on the chin.
She did it for William. She wanted us to see that she was his mother and she loved him and desperately wanted to know what happened to him.

Those with nothing to hide...hide nothing.

moo

Yes, this. BM has owned her bad choices and copped critism. Her younger children are identifiable as William's biological siblings.
FFC has continuously presented herself as a perfect "mother". Has she ever even really acknowledged her role in what happened even if it was completely minor and innocent? Every mother i know is always filled with guilt when something happens to their kids even if they're not in any way at fault. They have been in hiding for 7 years and it has let William down. (In my opinion).

 

[SouthAussie]

Link?

We are not allowed to put the court case transcript here, otherwise I would link it.

Others will verify the accuracy of my statement, as many here have read the transcript. At one point, we were allowed to link it. Then that decision was reversed and we could no longer link it.


ETA: I have found an acceptable link in our backthreads.

"William’s story starts 10 years ago, when his father met a girl. In 2010, they had a daughter. Three months later, that child — a girl called Lindsay in court documents — was taken into state care. "
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #42

 

[Jaded325594]

We are not allowed to put the court case transcript here, otherwise I would link it.

Others will verify the accuracy of my statement, as many here have read the transcript. At one point, we were allowed to link it. Then that decision was reversed and we could no longer link it.

Lindsay is also used in the where is william podcast as a result of the inquest i think.

 

[SouthAussie]

Lindsay is also used in the where is william podcast as a result of the inquest i think.

Most people who have been through this case for its duration call the sister Lindsay ... as the judge gave her that pseudonym, and it allows us to speak respectfully of her by using a name.

imo

 

[JBowie]

We are not allowed to put the court case transcript here, otherwise I would link it.

Others will verify the accuracy of my statement, as many here have read the transcript. At one point, we were allowed to link it. Then that decision was reversed and we could no longer link it.

What came first?

The podcast at 13:12 "... William ... and his sister who I am going to call Lindsay".

Where's William ep 1: The Little Boy in the Spiderman Suit

Where's William Tyrrell? - Network Ten

 

[SouthAussie]

What came first?

The podcast at 13:12 "... William ... and his sister who I am going to call Lindsay".

Where's William ep 1: The Little Boy in the Spiderman Suit

Where's William Tyrrell? - Network Ten

The court case. Not sure why I am being challenged on this. Why would I lie? I like Lia Harris a lot, and her podcasts.

 

[JBowie]

Thats interesting because i thought i read somewhere that Lindsay uses a different surname at school and only the principal, teacher and a couple of key staff are aware of the circumstances. Can't remember where i read it though so don't quote me or ask for a link!

Makes sense. And I'd expect that she would likely use the FF's surname.

 

[Jaded325594]

Australia is not the only country with a dark history of child removal. . Fyi I remedied many false Aboriginal adoptions in the NT in the 1980's and early 1990's.
But we aren't talking ancient history now
This is about no-one else other than WT and 2014. Let's stay on topic

Thanks, it is related to current policies and practices that impact children in out of care in 2014 and today and could provide understanding to someone who doesn't live here. The 80s and early 90s is not ancient history, that is so offensive to people who have been impacted.