Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) - #75

[SLouTh]

The biggest concern for me (besides the alleged assault) is that the police just let the situation simmer.

Yes agree…. This is a big problem …

The only possible thing I can think of regarding this, is that the tapes weren’t listened to in real time, but some subsequent time later….. However, even then the Police had a duty to report it immediately ….it’s mandatory ..

IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes agree…. This is a big problem …

The only possible thing I can think of regarding this, is that the tapes weren’t listened to in real time, but some subsequent time later….. However, even then the Police had a duty to report it immediately ….it’s mandatory ..

IMO

I don't think so, though. Lonergan said quite clearly that they were "actively" monitoring, for his excuse why they didn't report to FACS. (I know I linked this not far back.)

So whether they were actively monitoring all the way through, or if they only were actively monitoring after they had listened to back tapes and heard the incident, they knew about the alleged assault ... and sat on it.

 

[SLouTh]

I don't think so, though. Lonergan said quite clearly that they were "actively" monitoring, for his excuse why they didn't report to FACS. (I know I linked this not far back.)

So whether they were actively monitoring all the way through, or if they only were actively monitoring after they had listened to back tapes and heard the incident, they knew about the alleged assault ... and sat on it.

Maybe, they referred it internally to Police Child Protection Unit, who gave the OK to actively monitor the situation ????
It is hard to understand why they didn’t contact FACS ….


I guess in time it will all come out …

IMO

 

[Awakening]

If FM is going to be charged, any idea how long before she is? If we haven’t heard anything in say a month is it all over?

 

[centred]

I tend to believe the magistrate's comments, as he had all the facts in front of him.
But the published dates make no sense.

I tend to err with the prosecution, the school teachers and the police, I question the magistrates thinking that the bad behavior was due to the new foster child , possibly a catalyst , but the magistrates assertion here seems that is a normal reaction to the behavior is inexcusable ..not in my opinion it isnt

 

[SouthAussie]

If FM is going to be charged, any idea how long before she is? If we haven’t heard anything in say a month is it all over?

I heard a talking head (can't remember who, but he was one of the 'experienced' talking heads the media consult) say that it takes 2 or 3 weeks to make a decision.

Nobody seems to know when the brief was handed to the DPP. Earlier in June, and during the weeks of June, are the vague times I have heard and read.
So it is pretty hard to gauge when 2 or 3 weeks (or any time period) may end.

imo

 

[SLouTh]

If FM is going to be charged, any idea how long before she is? If we haven’t heard anything in say a month is it all over?

Apparently it can take “months” ….…

Another poster shared a link from the NSWDPP
There can be a backwards and forwards requesting extra information or evidence ….

IMO

 

[mussopossum]

The biggest concern for me (besides the alleged assault) is that the police just let the situation simmer.

Why would they think that was okay? And what about those teachers? I wonder who reported it.

If you are referring to police becoming aware of the incidents with his sister which were heard over the bugs in the house and how they left her in that situation I agree. For them, it was all about the covert operation at the time. Maybe they were still waiting for the information they needed through those bugs and taking Williams's sister out of that situation would then likely alert the fosters that they were under surveillance. I guess the covert operation was more important to the strike force than the child's safety IMO. Very sad

 

[sleepinoz]

If you are referring to police becoming aware of the incidents with his sister which were heard over the bugs in the house and how they left her in that situation I agree. For them, it was all about the covert operation at the time. Maybe they were still waiting for the information they needed through those bugs and taking Williams's sister out of that situation would then likely alert the fosters that they were under surveillance. I guess the covert operation was more important to the strike force than the child's safety IMO. Very sad

Do we actually know if the child that was allegedly abused was his sister or the other foster child? I don't think we do for sure.

 

[Burtrito]

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I still wonder about whether there’s a chance he could be under the house

 

[Megnut]

Some random thoughts --

We don't know how many foster children the fosters have had, over time or at any one time. The dates may look wonky because the reference is perhaps to a different foster.

Active monitoring -- what exactly does that mean? 24/7 a dedicated LEO sitting there listening? Or spot checks? Or software trained to pick up key words which send alerts? For wiring a home, are they free to listen to every single thing? Are they supposed to tune out, hum for things that are mundane? Surely there's protocol and precedent involved.

Presumably those audio files are archived. Maybe, only after the alleged abuse was reported, the corresponding archived audio was isolated, supporting the child's allegation. Do we know which came first? LE hearing it or the child reporting it, like to a teacher? Or did LE sit on it, knowing they'd be monitoring in the event of graver abuse, to preserve the integrity of the covert op? A judgment call, poor or otherwise.

I wonder if that surveillance yielded anything of substance, relating to Wm, save a glimpse of "parenting".

If the foster mother covered up a fatal accident in order to save her marriage and current foster, and to protect future fostering, it worked. Till this.

If she told no one, no amount of audio surveillance will yield a word, unless she's in the habit if talking to herself. About it.

If she covered it up, it's in the vault (of her mind), and everything that happened to Wm will be voiced as external to her -- he just up and disappeared.

JMO

 

[Burtrito]

He was returning from his skype call and picking up a prescription in town. Those things would have been externally verified, so would his text to FM 5 minutes before returning to Benaroon Drive.

I still don't think the FF has anything to do with it. All of his movements that day make sense. All are verifiable. His reactions were typical of someone genuinely distraught about his missing foster child.
FM on the other hand, nothing about her movements and stories make any sense.
All JMO!

I disagree somewhat. If I remember correctly, first police officer on the screen described him as coming from the bathroom an had been crying. This stood out to me because at that point William hadn’t been missing long and most men I know are very calm and cool headed- tend not to panic (generalising but an observation none the less) moo

 

[Couldbe]

Do we actually know if the child that was allegedly abused was his sister or the other foster child? I don't think we do for sure.

I think it is explained in this link:
William Tyrrell’s foster mother accused of hitting child with wooden spoon, court hears

Which describes how the alleged child victim had spoken about her resentment/disapproval of having a younger child joining the Foster family and it had made her feel left out.

 

[Dannywood]

The biggest concern for me (besides the alleged assault) is that the police just let the situation simmer.

Why would they think that was okay? And what about those teachers? I wonder who reported it.

With a lot of surveillance, they don't have people live listening. They go through the recordings at a later date. It's very possible that they didn't pick it up until much later upon listening to it.
But regardless of the time it took, the police aren't responsible for the FM allegedly abusing her foster child. IMO

 

[Dannywood]

I disagree somewhat. If I remember correctly, first police officer on the screen described him as coming from the bathroom an had been crying. This stood out to me because at that point William hadn’t been missing long and most men I know are very calm and cool headed- tend not to panic (generalising but an observation none the less) moo

He seems very emotional in the interviews, and he also had a close bond with William from all accounts. I think it would make sense that after running around and being unable to find him, he fell apart before continuing on. I think I would probably do the same in the same situation. IMO

 

[Burtrito]

I think it is explained in this link:
William Tyrrell’s foster mother accused of hitting child with wooden spoon, court hears

Which describes how the alleged child victim had spoken about her resentment/disapproval of having a younger child joining the Foster family and it had made her feel left out.

Pretty harsh punishment to hit a child in the head with a wooden spoon… if you just think about it. In. The. Head
Ouch
This sounds like someone who doesn’t cope well with big feelings…
MOO

 

[Megnut]

Pretty harsh punishment to hit a child in the head with a wooden spoon… if you just think about it. In. The. Head
Ouch
This sounds like someone who doesn’t cope well with big feelings…
MOO

This sounds like someone who doesn't cope well with big feelings... or little children.

Jmo

 

[Burtrito]

He seems very emotional in the interviews, and he also had a close bond with William from all accounts. I think it would make sense that after running around and being unable to find him, he fell apart before continuing on. I think I would probably do the same in the same situation. IMO

Yes, there is room for that scenario… but if we go by the times in COs book Rowley arrived at 11:06 almost immediately ran into FF coming out of the bathroom crying… what time did Ff get home?
It’s not a lot of time to have searched and be back at house in tears… MOO

Eta source

 

[JBowie]

I disagree somewhat. If I remember correctly, first police officer on the screen described him as coming from the bathroom an had been crying. This stood out to me because at that point William hadn’t been missing long and most men I know are very calm and cool headed- tend not to panic (generalising but an observation none the less) moo

Re the FF, I think if police thought he had any knowledge of the circumstances of William's disappearance, then he would have been mentioned in the proposed charges, too, especially if perverting the course of justice is one of those charges.

 

[FromGermany1]

I disagree somewhat. If I remember correctly, first police officer on the screen described him as coming from the bathroom an had been crying. This stood out to me because at that point William hadn’t been missing long and most men I know are very calm and cool headed- tend not to panic (generalising but an observation none the less) moo

Perhaps he knew, this definitively was it with his beloved little boy. Not dead or injured, but OUT OF HIS LIFE forever.