If they had 8 cameras, why wasn't the alleged assault played at the crime commission?? Surely they would have caught it on camera IMO"It comes as the court heard police had bugged the foster parents' homes with nine listening devices and eight hidden cameras."
William Tyrrell: Inside foster mother's secret grilling
The state's top secret crime-fighting agency has grilled William Tyrrell's foster mother accusing her of hiding the toddler's body after the boy fell from the verandah, a Sydney court has heard.www.dailymail.co.uk
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correct. GJ was on side with the FM, FACS were on her side and so was the media. If it turns out that poor William died as a result of neglect by being left alone unsupervised, by the FM who was being paid to care for him, or worse, and then his death was covered up by the FM , then the FM will be considered the most manipulative, evil person in Australia. IMO.
Perhaps it was inadmissible or the camera didn't cover that area. Who knows. What we do know is that there were 8 cameras as it was disclosed in court, and what we also know is that the foster mother did lie about never hitting her child with a wooden spoon, which was proven by her tapped phone call to her husband saying that she hit her with a wooden spoon and that it would leave a welt.
"Have you ever hit her with a wooden spoon?' Sergeant Lonergan asked her on the second day of the hearing. 'Never,' she replied.
However, a chilling intercepted phone call was later played where she told her husband the girl was 'going to have a massive welt on her leg' after she hit her with the wooden spoon.
Another recording allegedly caught the moment she smacked the girl with the spoon while she screamed and cried."
I think she got very lucky with that magistrate to rule in her favour on this occasion, IMO.
William Tyrrell's foster mum found NOT guilty of lying to crime body
William Tyrrell's foster mother has been found not guilty of lying to the top secret NSW Crime Commission a day after a senior detective accused her of knowing where the missing toddler is.
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Not sure how it would be inadmissible ( unless the cameras were not legal ) , 8 cameras apparently....according to the DM, which I take with a grain of salt, sadly I've seen so much misreported by the DM......S
Perhaps it was inadmissible or the camera didn't cover that area. Who knows. What we do know is that there were 8 cameras as it was disclosed in court, and what we also know is that the foster mother did lie about never hitting her child with a wooden spoon, which was proven by her tapped phone call to her husband saying that she hit her with a wooden spoon and that it would leave a welt.
I think she got very lucky with that magistrate to rule in her favour on this occasion, IMO.
William Tyrrell's foster mum found NOT guilty of lying to crime body
William Tyrrell's foster mother has been found not guilty of lying to the top secret NSW Crime Commission a day after a senior detective accused her of knowing where the missing toddler is.
Was it reported about the cameras from any other MSM at all??
Thanks for the links
IMO if there were cameras there would be no way that they wouldn't share that, with the current theme of sharing (leaking) to/with the media. I think the DM is the only MSM that have reported that "News", nobody else. If not, please let me know.
)Another Candice story).
)Another Candice story).Exactly! I think this is really bizarre. After such an incident I don't think I could go back to being a foster parent. The other thing that I find shocking is that they were allowed to foster another child. I simply could not believe this when I read it.
There's many reasons evidence may be inadmissible. You could look at rules of evidence for reasons.Not sure how it would be inadmissible ( unless the cameras were not legal ) , 8 cameras apparently....according to the DM, which I take with a grain of salt, sadly I've seen so much misreported by the DM......
Was it reported about the cameras from any other MSM at all??
Thanks for the links
Perhaps the police thought the audio was sufficient and didn't admit the video evidence (if there was video evidence).
It's highly unlikely that police would put surveillance equipment in a home without a valid warrant, and much less likely that they'd announce it in court if they did it unlawfully.
Jubelin and his unlawful surveillance tactics not withstanding.
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This is from ABC “During evidence on Thursday, Detective Sergeant Andrew Lonergan,it was revealed police obtained warrants to plant multiple listening devices in two locations and had also intercepted the parents’ phone calls”
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Detective tells court he thinks William Tyrrell's foster mother knows where missing boy is
A detective tells a Sydney court he has formed the belief William Tyrrell's foster mother knows where the missing boy is. The 57-year-old cannot be identified for legal reasons.
amp.abc.net.au
This is from ABC “During evidence on Thursday, Detective Sergeant Andrew Lonergan,it was revealed police obtained warrants to plant multiple listening devices in two locations and had also intercepted the parents’ phone calls”
Detective tells court he thinks William Tyrrell's foster mother knows where missing boy is
A detective tells a Sydney court he has formed the belief William Tyrrell's foster mother knows where the missing boy is. The 57-year-old cannot be identified for legal reasons.
So, no warrant for video?
I linked the article.
Hidden cameras are obviously hidden. They can be the size of a small marble and placed in places like air vents, air-conditioners, curtain rods, etc. IMO
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I don't think the children's services have a lot of options. There is an extreme shortage of foster carers. You may have seen fairly recent PSAs on our SA TV, looking for foster carers.
As they were still approved to be foster carers, they would have been sought to take on another child.
At the moment (and for years) pretty much all of our states are warehousing older children in group homes and motels. And trying to find spaces for the younger ones.
Not enough people want to share their homes with, and take on the responsibility of, a traumatised child.
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No and that is direct evidence given by Lonergan in court. I found 2 other articles, that just mention “bugging their home” or “recording from audio device”. No mention of cameras and certainly not 8
Yes, your link was about 20 minutes after my post that you quoted.
IMO, Media mentioning 8 is oddly specific.
Regardless. Lack of the ABC reporting a method of surveillance doesn't logically deduce to it not being true.
Anyway, don't want to derail....
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And now we have this comment by Dr Michael Kennedy
"Former police detective and criminologist Dr Michael Kennedy believes the DPP will be in no rush to lay charges.
“It’s not a bad thing, there’s a lot at stake,” he tells Woman’s Day. “I’ve been told they referred it about a month ago. [Homicide Squad Commander, Detective Superintendent] Danny Doherty is an old-school detective and he would realise this has the potential to implode so he’d want to do everything properly.”
Michael believes it’s possible someone close to the foster family could have prompted this latest twist in the case.
“[Perhaps] there’s been enormous family pressure and someone within the family who knows something has just got sick of it all and said, ‘This has to all come to an end.’”
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"Former police detective and criminologist Dr Michael Kennedy believes the DPP will be in no rush to lay charges.
“It’s not a bad thing, there’s a lot at stake,” he tells Woman’s Day. “I’ve been told they referred it about a month ago. [Homicide Squad Commander, Detective Superintendent] Danny Doherty is an old-school detective and he would realise this has the potential to implode so he’d want to do everything properly.”
Michael believes it’s possible someone close to the foster family could have prompted this latest twist in the case.
“[Perhaps] there’s been enormous family pressure and someone within the family who knows something has just got sick of it all and said, ‘This has to all come to an end.’”
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We may hear more specifics of the actual devices when the Alleged Assault Charges are heard?
We need to remember the earlier charges were technically related to Alleged Lying to the NSWCC, (found not guilty) and not the actual alleged assaults ….
iMO
We need to remember the earlier charges were technically related to Alleged Lying to the NSWCC, (found not guilty) and not the actual alleged assaults ….
iMO
Wondering if the FGM did before she passed away. The timeline would fit.
I still don't think she was involved but it's an interesting theory.
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I have also been wondering this ….
If FGM said something before she passed away, or left something written??
In November 2021, The Australian reported FM and now-deceased FGM were being treated as POI…..
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...l/news-story/0c5a191c57ed5bdc465bfe11e193d3b2
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It is possible they had cameras outside the home only (if they had video surveillance). Remembering PS peering into the surveillance camera that he found outside his home in a bush.
I have been looking to try to see any conditions on police video surveillance in homes. There is nothing specific in the surveillance Act about where they can place devices, but there must be limitations.
I have seen laws in the US that say not in the bedroom, not in the bathroom, only for 30 days then they need to renew the warrant. Due to breach of privacy.
Also, the DM article says 'homes". Does that mean X number of devices at home #1 then X number of devices at home #2? Total for both homes being a certain amount of devices. If they had moved residences during that period.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...l/news-story/55fe696ecdf5361c3f164bec8bd03e4d
This article was written and published on the following Thursday after William’s disappearance (6 days later):
Fehon asked the Journalists, after they had been there for 10 minutes, what they thought had happened to William.
NB: Early description of the details … which seem to have differed over time e.g. The phone on which the last photograph of William was taken has been analysed — the photo was taken “within an hour” of his disappearance.
A volunteer surf lifesaver from Port Macquarie who had been helping search for William said:
“It’s like something has come from the sky, ... Like he was plucked out of thin air."
This article was written and published on the following Thursday after William’s disappearance (6 days later):
Fehon asked the Journalists, after they had been there for 10 minutes, what they thought had happened to William.
NB: Early description of the details … which seem to have differed over time e.g. The phone on which the last photograph of William was taken has been analysed — the photo was taken “within an hour” of his disappearance.
A volunteer surf lifesaver from Port Macquarie who had been helping search for William said:
“It’s like something has come from the sky, ... Like he was plucked out of thin air."
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