Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

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LolaAngelina said:
Sounds like he is last person you would want to be leading a criminal task force for your missing loved one. He’s really proven his lack of care and complete incompetence in Williams case IMO
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Back when Laidlaw first took over William's case, we were feeling that he was likely very near retirement.

He joined via the police academy in 1977. Link
If he was 18 then (?) he would be 65/66 now.

Lots of experience, but maybe he has been feeling burnt out and hasn't been managing his team and caseload very well. And, evidently, hasn't been asking for help with that.

If he retires now (which wouldn't surprise me) it is a bit sad for him that he would go out on this low point in his career.
I felt the same way for Jubes, when he was sidelined by Scott Cook who then did the dirty on him.

imo
 
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SouthAussie said:
Back when Laidlaw first took over William's case, we were feeling that he was likely very near retirement.

He joined via the police academy in 1977. Link
If he was 18 then (?) he would be 65/66 now.

Lots of experience, but maybe he has been feeling burnt out and hasn't been managing his team and caseload very well. And, evidently, hasn't been asking for help with that.

If he retires now (which wouldn't surprise me) it is a bit sad for him that he would go out on this low point in his career.
I felt the same way for Jubes, when he was sidelined by Scott Cook who then did the dirty on him.

imo
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BBM. It depends what the response would likely be if he did ask for more resources. Perhaps he knows that (a) he wouldn't get them, and (b) he'd shortly be out of that job; and as it's towards the end of his working life, a demotion could (I'm only guessing) substantially affect his future pension. Perhaps he is managing his team and caseload as well as anybody could under the circumstances.
 
JLZ said:
BBM. It depends what the response would likely be if he did ask for more resources. Perhaps he knows that (a) he wouldn't get them, and (b) he'd shortly be out of that job; and as it's towards the end of his working life, a demotion could (I'm only guessing) substantially affect his future pension. Perhaps he is managing his team and caseload as well as anybody could under the circumstances.
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What stands out to me is .... "including 19 files Mr Laidlaw told a 2023 public inquiry he left unread for a year as the search for William had taken up “a significant amount of my time”."

This report is from one day of the official inquiry (Day 74), if you are interested in reading it. There are a lot of reasons for the (other) families to be upset. And there is no reason why emails from inquiring families should go unacknowledged.

 
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‘Done nothing’: William Tyrrell’s foster mother issues statement​

The foster mother of missing toddler William Tyrrell has broken her silence to issue an explosive statement about his disappearance.

Heath Parkes-Hupton and Dan Box

October 21, 2024 - 6:15AM

“For the past five years, the police have done nothing to try to discover who took William, and what has happened to him.

“Instead, they have concentrated all their efforts on trying to build a case that I was in some way to blame for his death, and the disposal of his precious little body.

“They have gone to great lengths to blacken my character in the media.”
 
drsleuth said:

‘Done nothing’: William Tyrrell’s foster mother issues statement​

The foster mother of missing toddler William Tyrrell has broken her silence to issue an explosive statement about his disappearance.

Heath Parkes-Hupton and Dan Box

October 21, 2024 - 6:15AM

“For the past five years, the police have done nothing to try to discover who took William, and what has happened to him.

“Instead, they have concentrated all their efforts on trying to build a case that I was in some way to blame for his death, and the disposal of his precious little body.

“They have gone to great lengths to blacken my character in the media.”
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Blacken her character? No one knows her name.

FWIW People use 'always' and 'never' .... well, it's hard to be accurate, factual with superlatives that can't possibly be tried. Yes, LE focused on her. Last to see Wm, it's the obvious place to start. And as they say in LE, they start in the house (closest in) and sometimes they never leave the house (can't rule out).

That being said, LE hasn't just investigated her. Multi-pronged investigation.

She says they've done nothing to try to discover who took Wm. Oh? Suddenly she knows someone took him? She can't know that... unless she's knows what happened and she prefers to sail that boat publicly. Maybe there's no one to investigate, maybe he wandered away and a joey hopped off with him. It's happened. But nope, she's settled on abduction...

Her statement strikes me only as self-serving. Unneccesary. And revealing. And not in a good way.

JMO
 
Megnut said:
That being said, LE hasn't just investigated her. Multi-pronged investigation.
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It was multi-pronged previously. I think she said "in the last 5 years" there has been one focus. I would have to agree with that.

There are others who can't be ruled out. And there seems to be no evidence against anyone. Just too many instances of "no alibi" and with opportunity. Very frustrating for those who want the person caught.

imo
 
Dan Box speaking on 2GB this morning
www.2gb.com

‘I’m innocent’ - William Tyrrell’s foster mum breaks her silence

There’s been a development in one of Australia’s biggest mysteries. In her first public comments in almost two years, William Tyrrell’s foster mother has spoken out. Hear more highlights from Ben Fordham Live in the playlist below and give us a follow on Apple Podcasts:
www.2gb.com www.2gb.com
 
drsleuth said:
The Foster Parents
Episode 3
Witness : William Tyrrell

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The Foster Parents | 3

Podcast Episode · Witness: William Tyrrell · S2 E3 · 49m
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Well, the foster mother has some good friends who are supporting her. Det Sean Ogilvie stood in court and said that FM’s bridesmaid friend declined to give a statement. She is furious, she was never asked to give a statement.

“They really made a family for those children …. There was always laughter in that house. They were a fun family.”

Another good friend says she is terrified with the way that the police are pursuing the FM. After being questioned by the police she said she no longer trusts the police, and at one time she had wanted to be a police officer herself. But it sounded to her that they had a story and were trying to make it fit.

Next episode .…. did the police get confused? Were they wrong to say this woman wouldn’t give a statement? Why are they targeting William’s foster parents? And who’s in charge of their investigation?
 
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Is one of the “ Lane Cove “ women, the friend who fronted up to the TV to appeal for William’s reurn in the beginning?
 
I've listened so far to each episode and I think a further dive could have gone into different facts in the latest episode looking at the FM.

The fact that there is a major discrepancy between what the FM and FGM stated had occurred from the moment the FM went around the corner of the house to look for WT to the time the 2 women saw each other again. That discrepancy creates a gap of time close to 1/2 an hour approx. that apparently one woman knew WT was missing and it seems, one woman didn't. Is there any way this can be explained? That a child had gone missing and the neighbour knew before the FGM knew according to her walk through. That the FGM's car had been borrowed to search for WT without her knowing in that period of time? That the FM's claims to have searched through the house and calling out for WT when he was 1st noticed to have been gone did not seem to register with the FGM and the search in earnest within the house seemed to only really begin with the 1st responder?

I would have liked the journalist to have gone a little further into the terrible conflict of interests at play in this situation at this time when the NSW laws changed, so that one family were hoping to be reunited with their children and another family entered the foster system, hoping/expecting? to adopt which was being publicly encouraged by the NSW FACS Minister Pru Goward, prior to Gabrielle Upton being the minister in charge when WT went missing. How could the biological family have been left with any impression that reunification was possible if it wasn't? And the big one for me, how this particular sibling group was decided to go into this couple's care through their 1st provider before they transferred to Young Hope and was there any conflict of interest relationships occurring at that time for that decision to be made? This is v. important to know if they were chosen purely on the merit of their application or if it also relied upon connections to help them secure a family. I don't expect we will ever know the machinations and people involved in that decision. Also, were both foster parents checked for mental health issues when applying to become foster parents? When Dan Box refers to tragedy in regards to the FP's trying to become parents it makes me think the FP's had the potential to be carrying trauma's from trying to become parents.

In looking at the FP's I am finding Dan Box's podcast somewhat disingenuous, no matter how reasonable he sounds, he is leaving plenty of ground unturned. IMO.
 
The point of Dan's podcast is to look at the police investigation. It is not looking into FaCS, it is not looking at adoption laws, it is not trying to decide on a perpetrator.

He has apparently spent 4 years developing the podcast. (as mentioned either in the Spotlight link or the 2GB link above, I can't remember which one I heard that in as I listened to all yesterday's links back to back)


What if I told you everything you thought you knew about the disappearance of William Tyrrell was wrong.

Not the big things. Those are true. A three-year-old boy missing from a tiny country town on the mid-north Coast of New South Wales. And 10 years later, we've still not found him.

But what about everything else? How the police say they know what happened. They know why, they know how, they know where William is.

I do know the police did get some things wrong, going right back to the beginning.

Episode One:
podcasts.apple.com

Mistaken | 1

Podcast Episode · Witness: William Tyrrell · S2 E1 · 45m
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SouthAussie said:
The point of Dan's podcast is to look at the police investigation. It is not looking into FaCS, it is not looking at adoption laws, it is not trying to decide on a perpetrator.

He has apparently spent 4 years developing the podcast. (as mentioned either in the Spotlight link or the 2GB link above, I can't remember which one I heard that in as I listened to all yesterday's links back to back)


What if I told you everything you thought you knew about the disappearance of William Tyrrell was wrong.

Not the big things. Those are true. A three-year-old boy missing from a tiny country town on the mid-north Coast of New South Wales. And 10 years later, we've still not found him.

But what about everything else? How the police say they know what happened. They know why, they know how, they know where William is.

I do know the police did get some things wrong, going right back to the beginning.

Episode One:
podcasts.apple.com

Mistaken | 1

Podcast Episode · Witness: William Tyrrell · S2 E1 · 45m
podcasts.apple.com podcasts.apple.com
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Yes but in this latest episode, 3, Dan's style completely ignores the v. good reasons for why they are looking at the FM, they can't clear the last person who saw him alive, because of discrepancies in her statement. According to evidence there is approx. a half hour window where she is the only person who knows WT is missing and no one can corroborate what she did in that time, she does not have a verifiable alibi. The police should have thoroughly investigated the FM the way she self admittedly wanted to be at the v. beginning and when it was found that they couldn't clear her, dive deeper. That was a big mistake and I'd like to know why they moved on from her and her partner so early on, it seems based on character evidence and not the facts. But the police in the last few years have drilled down on her and that has been important to do. I don't agree with all of their tactics and certainly abhor lying to get a result, something that unfortunately has been a staple throughout this whole investigation, no matter who is leading it and no matter the POI from the beginning. I have a feeling Dan will go easy on one lead investigator more than others... we shall see. IMO.
 
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Yes but in this latest episode, 3, Dan's style completely ignores the v. good reasons for why they are looking at the FM, they can't clear the last person who saw him alive, because of discrepancies in her statement. According to evidence there is approx. a half hour window where she is the only person who knows WT is missing and no one can corroborate what she did in that time, she does not have a verifiable alibi. The police should have thoroughly investigated the FM the way she self admittedly wanted to be at the v. beginning and when it was found that they couldn't clear her, dive deeper. That was a big mistake and I'd like to know why they moved on from her and her partner so early on, it seems based on character evidence and not the facts. But the police in the last few years have drilled down on her and that has been important to do. I don't agree with all of their tactics and certainly abhor lying to get a result, something that unfortunately has been a staple throughout this whole investigation, no matter who is leading it and no matter the POI from the beginning. I have a feeling Dan will go easy on one lead investigator more than others... we shall see. IMO.
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There is not a doubt in my mind that there are those who are convinced that FM is guilty, and will pick apart Dan's podcast.
For me, it is a breath of fresh air. For the public to hear what has been happening. Because I am not yet convinced of anyone's guilt. I just feel there is more than one POI.

Even when FM sticks up for herself, she is "self-serving". Lindy Chamberlain stuck up for herself also, for good reason. So did Kathleen Folbigg.

Eg:
How the trolls have thought it important to review passenger manifests going back for years, and then to find an old one where a young FM arrived in Australia for a holiday with her family and send it to reporters. :rolleyes:
(So much for people not knowing her name)
How the trolls comment nastily on everything ... in a photo of a happy boy sitting in front of his birthday cake ... "the candles aren't even lit" .. "he could hurt himself on the corner of that table".
(Yes, Dan calls them trolls)
How William was hidden by his biological family for three months. Against court orders.
How all of the foster family's stories essentially align, and when did they get the opportunity to align those stories and stick with them?
How Michelle White was with the foster family for 9 days after William disappeared, day and night, and saw no signs of their involvement. And she is trained to look for those signs.
How there are 4 properties overlooking the area of the Big Dig .. would someone place a little boy's body there, not knowing who could see them?
And much more.
(all from the podcast)

Dan said (I think in the Spotlight link, or it could be the 2GB one) that he almost hopes the FM is guilty, because then all of the destruction of people's lives might have been worth it (or words to that effect).

imo
 
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SouthAussie said:
There is not a doubt in my mind that there are those who are convinced that FM is guilty, and will pick apart Dan's podcast.
For me, it is a breath of fresh air. For the public to hear what has been happening. Because I am not yet convinced of anyone's guilt. I just feel there is more than one POI.

Even when FM sticks up for herself, she is "self-serving". Lindy Chamberlain stuck up for herself also, for good reason. So did Kathleen Folbigg.

Eg:
How the trolls have thought it important to review passenger manifests going back for years, and then to find an old one where a young FM arrived in Australia for a holiday with her family and send it to reporters. :rolleyes:
(So much for people not knowing her name)
How the trolls comment nastily on everything ... in a photo of a happy boy sitting in front of his birthday cake ... "the candles aren't even lit" .. "he could hurt himself on the corner of that table".
(Yes, Dan calls them trolls)
How William was hidden by his biological family for three months. Against court orders.
How all of the foster family's stories essentially align, and when did they get the opportunity to align those stories and stick with them?
How Michelle White was with the foster family for 9 days after William disappeared, day and night, and saw no signs of their involvement. And she is trained to look for those signs.
How there are 4 properties overlooking the area of the Big Dig .. would someone place a little boy's body there, not knowing who could see them?
And much more.
(all from the podcast)

Dan said (I think in the Spotlight link, or it could be the 2GB one) that he almost hopes the FM is guilty, because then all of the destruction of people's lives might have been worth it (or words to that effect).

imo
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I'm open to other POI's, many that we know of and probably don't know of have been under the spotlight over the years. I disagree that the F Family's statements essentially align. Moo
 
Lemony said:
A witness in the disappearance of William Tyrrell has levelled explosive criticism at police, who falsely claimed she had refused to give evidence.

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Somehow I missed this bit. o_O

(from a link within your link)


Witnesses questioned by police investigating the disappearance of William Tyrrell were denied access to transcripts of their interviews after raising concerns “about how the current investigation tactics are being conducted”.

“I would like to protect myself,” one witness wrote to detectives, saying they no longer trusted that “what I said would not be diced and spliced and fed to the media to misconstrue”.

 
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