awaiting sentencing phase

[WilliamMunter]

I've been thinking the same thing. I also wonder whether more speculative forensic work might have been undertaken had it not been quite so seemingly obvious a crime scene. For instance, were Reeva's flip-flops (slops) were tested for blood splatter, could she have been wearing them and they were removed?

If Pistorius is guilty of pre-med murder, did he alter the scene in a way that might have been detectable with more detailed forensic examination....

I also agree. I have always been under the impression that Pistorius alterered the crime scene somewhat when he went back upstairs as witnessed by Dr Stipp. I suspect that is when he pulled up the blind and opened the window in the bathroom to add weight to his fake intruder story. His hands would have been covered in Reeva's blood and I suspect that traces could have been retrieved from the blind pull/window handle. I doubt these items were examined at the time.

 

[east2west]

I've been thinking the same thing. I also wonder whether more speculative forensic work might have been undertaken had it not been quite so seemingly obvious a crime scene. For instance, were Reeva's flip-flops (slops) were tested for blood splatter, could she have been wearing them and they were removed?

If Pistorius is guilty of pre-med murder, did he alter the scene in a way that might have been detectable with more detailed forensic examination....

Oh yes, the sandals. Also referred to as the "plakkies" by the gentlemen in the witness box. Is that Afrikaans?

 

[AJ_DS]

[video=youtube;7fNPSPYYzEA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fNPSPYYzEA[/video]

Telegraph Sport reporter Carly Adno talks about her experience of working with Oscar Pistorius, the kind of person he was and the dangers of living in South Africa.

A beautiful young female sports journalist smitten with OP got the impression that OP was "up for anything" with her… Shocking !!

This is precisely why so much people had such a positive image of OP : they were smitten with his fame, wealth, good looks, success, etc… and they ONLY experienced a glancing surface relationship with him when things were good…

… the same would be true with any famous Hollywood actors… Imagine a similar story would come out with George Clooney killing his wife… millions if not billions of individuals would be convinced that it must be a terrible accident… but the fact remains, probably ONLY a few dozen individuals truly know Clooney the man and not just Clooney the public figure.

Not surprising that those individuals who interacted with OP when things were bad or those who pursued a deeper relationship witnessed the ugly, violent, abusive, self-centered, narcissistic, jealous, petty, etc… side of his personality.

People find comfort in their beliefs… when these are challenged people feel destabilized, threatened and will go to great lengths to rationalize even the absurd to protect their beliefs, to protect their perceptions of reality, to protect their Truth… doing otherwise, would be psychologically devastating.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I also agree. I have always been under the impression that Pistorius alterered the crime scene somewhat when he went back upstairs as witnessed by Dr Stipp. I suspect that is when he pulled up the blind and opened the window in the bathroom to add weight to his fake intruder story. His hands would have been covered in Reeva's blood and I suspect that traces could have been retrieved from the blind pull/window handle. I doubt these items were examined at the time.

Maybe, OP was as clever as to take the towel (found bloody on the floor) in his hands and then open the window. We don't know at all, what he all could have done in the minutes after the shots. He didn't need to go upstairs, only if he had forgotten a little detail to modify the crime scene. Everything else was probably done long (minutes) ago. IMO IMO

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I have no doubt AJ Carly was smitten with OP, and probably he with her at their first meeting, lol. It was 6 yrs ago, and they intermittently kept contact until 3 yrs ago when she moved to Australia. She is an intelligent young woman and I don't think she pretends to know him that well, it would be irresponsible of her to allude to a dark side that she never witnessed.

I thought the interview revealed a few valuable points; life in South Africa with regards to crime, her father's actions when he faced the reality of intruders in his home, Carly's first impressions of a sports star in the making and OP's casualness about his disability.


Excerpt from article by Carly Adno.

We lost touch when I moved to Australia nearly three years ago and I didn’t get to see first-hand how his participation in the 2012 London Olympics and Paralympics and subsequent elevation into a global superstar may have affected him, but my understanding is he had started spending time with some unfavourable characters.

Still, Pistorius shot to kill whoever was in that small enclosure, whether in a moment of rage or tragic recklessness.

It’s difficult to reconcile the Oscar Pistorius of six years ago to the one that stands accused of murder. But it has crossed my mind that the charming, jovial person myself and my colleagues got to know may have just been a facade all along.

No one but Pistorius will ever know the real answer to that.

Oscar's “need for speed” surprised me, only because it seemed in stark contrast to his outwardly calm exterior. Carly Adno

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-was-it-a-facade/story-fnp3ipqj-1227055170183

 

[IndianSummer]

imo, incidents leading up to february 2013 are much stronger... especially if they were written up before february 2013. influence and bias due to the killing can then be counted out.

Am reminded of Kathy Stobaugh case where the prosecution said something like - a person doesn’t have to be a criminal, drug addict or insane to kill. You just have to be that guy...if you back him into a corner..he’ll kill you.

 

[jay-jay]

I also agree. I have always been under the impression that Pistorius alterered the crime scene somewhat when he went back upstairs as witnessed by Dr Stipp. I suspect that is when he pulled up the blind and opened the window in the bathroom to add weight to his fake intruder story. His hands would have been covered in Reeva's blood and I suspect that traces could have been retrieved from the blind pull/window handle. I doubt these items were examined at the time.

From the minute he killed her, he was altering the crime scene .. i.e. removing the door panels (or what remained of them, depending on whether it was gun-bat, or bat-gun-bat), moving the key from whatever position it was originally in, moving Reeva, moving her phone, running about with the gun still in his hand (if his version is to be believed), and so on and so on .. plus add to that there may have been other things he intentionally altered, like opening the bathroom window, etc. How he can claim the police altered the crime scene I have no idea, HE was the main culprit as far as this is concerned!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

From the minute he killed her, he was altering the crime scene .. i.e. removing the door panels (or what remained of them, depending on whether it was gun-bat, or bat-gun-bat), moving the key from whatever position it was originally in, moving Reeva, moving her phone, running about with the gun still in his hand (if his version is to be believed), and so on and so on .. plus add to that there may have been other things he intentionally altered, like opening the bathroom window, etc. How he can claim the police altered the crime scene I have no idea, HE was the main culprit as far as this is concerned!

IMO perhaps an advice of CV, the female lawyer/neighbour/friend.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Btw, where is the bloodied white shirt??? Also not asked for (Nel), not been clarified, nothing. :notgood:

Months ago there was the observation, that Reeva had worn her top incorrectly: Front/rear or outside/inside - I don't know exactly.
That problem remained unclear too. :notgood:

 

[ApplesInMyBra]

Oh yes, the sandals. Also referred to as the "plakkies" by the gentlemen in the witness box. Is that Afrikaans?

Yes that is correct, flip flops are "plakkies" (pronounce Pluckies) in Afrikaans.

 

[cottonweaver]

Oh the melodrama. Since when have a judge and assessors become 'toast' for making a decision, which by all accounts may not even be appealed?

Judges up and down the country often have verdicts challenged and sometimes overturned - they still carry on their job as normal. This isn't a topic of national security we're dealing with here - it's a shooting. A regular daily occurrence in SA.

Bit baffled by this. In South Africa, where Masipa's reputation matters, they called it "trial of the century". Ok, we can all take issue with such hyperbole but in terms of media attention, rightly or wrongly, this was a huge case in SA. reputation-making or breaking.
So, I cannot take issue with someone saying Masipa's reputation is now "toast" because that's probably true.

On the day of the verdict another poster wrote that she thought Masipa was probably taking a "well earned holiday" !!! This was before the furore broke - it was again - WAY OFF THE MARK in terms of lack of foresight and dare I say it, total naivety.

 

[soozieqtips]

From the minute he killed her, he was altering the crime scene .. i.e. removing the door panels (or what remained of them, depending on whether it was gun-bat, or bat-gun-bat), moving the key from whatever position it was originally in, moving Reeva, moving her phone, running about with the gun still in his hand (if his version is to be believed), and so on and so on .. plus add to that there may have been other things he intentionally altered, like opening the bathroom window, etc. How he can claim the police altered the crime scene I have no idea, HE was the main culprit as far as this is concerned!

BIB - as far as I can remember, Masipa never mentioned police tampering, and yet she didn't question the positions of the fans or duvet and deduce that they couldn't have been there if OP's fairytale was true (which she accepted was true). Why didn't she bring up police tampering as a further reason to believe OP? Because she didn't believe the police went to all that effort to set things up before they even knew what the state case was, therefore, if there was no police tampering, she should have paid more attention to the photographic evidence as proof OP was lying. I wonder how she sleeps at night.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Pistorius told the court he was screaming as he tried to break down the door to reach Steenkamp.

"Did you scream when you saw her?" Nel asked Pistorius.

"No, my lady," he responded.

"For the first time of you seeing her, you didn't scream?" Nel asked, adding that it must have been an unbelievable sight.

"You ran around screaming before but you didn't scream when you saw her?" Nel continued.

"I didn't see the purpose," Pistorius answered.

Nel said Pistorius had stated this as he believed it corresponded with what several witnesses had testified.

At least two of the witnesses earlier told the court they heard screams before the shots but there were no screams after the shots.

"No, my lady," Pistorius said, keeping his eyes focused on Judge Thokozile Masipa.


When I watched that whole exchange between Nel and OP it was truly unbelievable, the amount of tailoring by OP obviously gained from all that note taking when the witnesses were up earlier. But it's even more infuriating reading this tidbit for the first time about OP's eyes focused on JM while lying through his teeth. :gaah:

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/O...Reeva-breathing-after-shooting-Oscar-20140415

 

[PrimeSuspect]

BIB - as far as I can remember, Masipa never mentioned police tampering, and yet she didn't question the positions of the fans or duvet and deduce that they couldn't have been there if OP's fairytale was true (which she accepted was true). Why didn't she bring up police tampering as a further reason to believe OP? Because she didn't believe the police went to all that effort to set things up before they even knew what the state case was, therefore, if there was no police tampering, she should have paid more attention to the photographic evidence as proof OP was lying. I wonder how she sleeps at night.

So true soozie, JM should have addressed the 'police tampering', she wasted so much time on Fresno's 'lies' yet skimmed through her process of elimination to find OP not guilty of murder.

I suppose she covered that by saying OP was a "very poor witness" who was evasive in his testimony during the trial. :facepalm:

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Btw, where is the bloodied white shirt??? Also not asked for (Nel), not been clarified, nothing. :notgood:

Months ago there was the observation, that Reeva had worn her top incorrectly: Front/rear or outside/inside - I don't know exactly.
That problem remained unclear too. :notgood:

I'm searching FG for information about Reeva's top. :lookingitup: and the bloodied white shirt? Why wasn't he photographed with it on? :thinking:

 

[Lux et Veritas]

I’ve wondered this many times since the trial began -

What is family “dinner chat” like at Uncle Arnold’s house? LOL

I’m thinking no shortage of screaming matches, stone-cold soup, ultimatums, stone-cold silence, threats and of course, “terrified” Oscar missing meals because he’s hiding in his cupboards and the domestic servants refuse to take him his meals unless accompanied by armed guards.

Ah ... Home Sweet Home.

And I thought my family was dysfunctional.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

14:13 - VR says OP wasn't wearing a bloody shirt, he never wore a shirt that night. Botha said OP was wearing a bloody shirt.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Oscar_Pistorius/Live/LIVE-UPDATES-Pistorius-trial-Day-10-20140314

Botha says OP was wearing a shirt, yet he photographed him without one?

 

[cottonweaver]

Very funny Lux

Add in the prayers led by Uncle Arnold and Aimee's despair.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman 6 minutes ago

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[sleuth-d-]

Pistorius told the court he was screaming as he tried to break down the door to reach Steenkamp.

"Did you scream when you saw her?" Nel asked Pistorius.

"No, my lady," he responded.

"For the first time of you seeing her, you didn't scream?" Nel asked, adding that it must have been an unbelievable sight.

"You ran around screaming before but you didn't scream when you saw her?" Nel continued.

"I didn't see the purpose," Pistorius answered.

Nel said Pistorius had stated this as he believed it corresponded with what several witnesses had testified.

At least two of the witnesses earlier told the court they heard screams before the shots but there were no screams after the shots.

"No, my lady," Pistorius said, keeping his eyes focused on Judge Thokozile Masipa.


When I watched that whole exchange between Nel and OP it was truly unbelievable, the amount of tailoring by OP obviously gained from all that note taking when the witnesses were up earlier. But it's even more infuriating reading this tidbit for the first time about OP's eyes focused on JM while lying through his teeth. :gaah:

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/O...Reeva-breathing-after-shooting-Oscar-20140415

i also noted how, just before the exchange you highlighted, he offered: 'i remember the first time i hit the door i was screaming' - which, or course, fits nicely with the witnesses that heard a scream at the first of the second set of bangs. and then silence.

funny how some things he remembers...

another interesting thing op remembers from just a little later "she was sitting on her right buttocks", which is an unusual mistake to make... until you read the reporting of a similar mistake in saayman's descriptions.

http://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/oscar-pistorius-trial-day-6/

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sour...v=2&ie=UTF-8#q=saayman+right+buttocks&start=0