AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #1

[MissDemeanor]

im gonna support 2hips' theory, as the only thing is, IF she made it out of apt after changing clothing, etc? all info thus far, points to YES.

so, from apt on brown (is that where its kinda located?) to hardy, then south on hardy to ampm

thats the area of interest/dissapearance of a salinas.

she was cognizant enough to find her way home from brown/roosevelt, she was definitely at this time of sound mind to head south to ampm. i dont think she got lost in her neighborhood, considering how good her directional functioning was getting home after accident, after ditching car. im pretty confident, IMO that its the house to ampm, where something occurred or went chaotic.

I wish you would use the QUOTE feature so we know what you are referring to.

 

[goblinsolo]

missd, i talked about that circle k way back on my first post. my friend, a girl, was actually assaulted/mugged there a month or so ago, kinda round midnight. its not the best place to be, late at night.

BUT, its southwest corner. ampm is in BIG strip mall, northeast corner.

its an area with some good food, a wonderful tattoo spot right down street, auto parts store, and as i noted, i will be there tmrw night having a drink and heading out to explore. i feel like i'm not helping and how really could i, but it relieves me to get out thar and at the very least spend some energy on a lost girl who doesn't seem to have many true 'friends'

 

[MissDemeanor]

I think it's fine for anyone here to support or agree with anyone's theory they wish. After all, we are all here for one thing and that is to try to help find Adrienne.

All theories are valuable IMO since we really haven't got much to go on.

I see no need to "take sides".

This isn't a competition.

 

[spangled]

http://politics.kfyi.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=118695&article=11443241

Hiya... Please accept my apologies if this has already been posted but there's been so many and I don't remember reading it. Basically stating LE have no idea what happened.

 

[goblinsolo]

2hip just posted a map, its supported by media, as well. its on page 40. i will quote it, again, if needed?

its basically, she called cab and left her apt and headed to ampm. after 423am.
nothing really diff from what your saying?

or, whats the alt theory? the internet, you might read that comment in a certain dialect or effect, its really just a question. its not argumentative.

she lived near brown/hardy, goes south to ampm.

quick walk, but passes the park (which cops have searched,) and then on to ampm

we have reports collectively showing that she did get home, and left for ampm.
its about a 54 min window til the phone went byebye/dead

 

[MissDemeanor]

missd, i talked about that circle k way back on my first post. my friend, a girl, was actually assaulted/mugged there a month or so ago, kinda round midnight. its not the best place to be, late at night.

BUT, its southwest corner. ampm is in BIG strip mall, northeast corner.

its an area with some good food, a wonderful tattoo spot right down street, auto parts store, and as i noted, i will be there tmrw night having a drink and heading out to explore. i feel like i'm not helping and how really could i, but it relieves me to get out thar and at the very least spend some energy on a lost girl who doesn't seem to have many true 'friends'

Thanks for the clarification on that. I think I'm getting a bit cranky because of all the media discrepances. I'll be back later.

 

[goblinsolo]

i re-read yr posts, missd... it seems, we are on same page about this. and it actually matches the media reports! maybe we can make it out of a 24hr window without the news changing the story!

she called cab. shes at/around her apt. where she went from there, is towards ampm as she called cab for that. UNLESS she went elsewhere? but, why would she? she called bf 11 times, txtd him that shes coming over. this is around time shes back at apt, (changing clothing?) right before callin the taxi.

she obviously wants to get outta that apt. she didn't direct cab to her apt. she wants it at the ampm. whats going on at the apt that she can't be around? whats the rush to get outta thar, at 4-5am?

so, party apt to ampm.. thats what im currently obsessed.focused on.

whats everyone elses feelings?

 

[knt42]

If she went back to the apartment to get changed and left her keys and wallet, could it be a possibility that when her phoned died (battery?) she realised she forgot her wallet so returned to the appartment to fetch it? I find it strange that she didn't just book the cab to collect her from home?

 

[laura83]

Hello :seeya: got a couple of probably pointless things to say, but wanted to wait until I'd read the whole thread, so...

I hate having my car key on with my house keys, so to me it's pretty normal that her car key was separate and left at home, she couldn't drive it anyway and was probably frustrated.

If I am going to be carrying an overnight bag I don't take my purse, and if I'm only going to need a little bit of money (in this case money for cab/ shop and she probably planned on getting a lift back the next day) I just put a bit of cash in my pocket and leave the purse behind, maybe she just thinks that way too so could be why her purse was left.

Also, if I know my lift/ cab is going to be a while, and there's somewhere I need to go, I'll get it to meet me there- why wait 20mins for a taxi and then go to the shop , if I can go to the shop while I wait and get picked up there.

Lastly, the taxi driver ringing so many times and so long after he should have picked her up- he could have been sat there waiting since 4:45 and was getting impatient and thinking she was going to be a no show.

Other than that I've nothing to add that can help :blushing:

 

[hannah1988]

Hello :seeya: got a couple of probably pointless things to say, but wanted to wait until I'd read the whole thread, so...

I hate having my car key on with my house keys, so to me it's pretty normal that her car key was separate and left at home, she couldn't drive it anyway and was probably frustrated.

If I am going to be carrying an overnight bag I don't take my purse, and if I'm only going to need a little bit of money (in this case money for cab/ shop and she probably planned on getting a lift back the next day) I just put a bit of cash in my pocket and leave the purse behind, maybe she just thinks that way too so could be why her purse was left.

Also, if I know my lift/ cab is going to be a while, and there's somewhere I need to go, I'll get it to meet me there- why wait 20mins for a taxi and then go to the shop , if I can go to the shop while I wait and get picked up there.

Lastly, the taxi driver ringing so many times and so long after he should have picked her up- he could have been sat there waiting since 4:45 and was getting impatient and thinking she was going to be a no show.

Other than that I've nothing to add that can help :blushing:

Good point about asking a ride to meet you somewhere. Maybe she needed/wanted something from the gas station which is why she planned for the cab to meet her there.

 

[goblinsolo]

think back to when yr a kid, and when you are in an environment you dislike, what would you do?
i think, a salinas was tempermental to that apt that night.
i dont think she felt safe there IMO, and wanted to leave. she could of very well after such a tumultueous night, not wanted to be there. from an accident, fight w guyfriend, walking late in this heat, many things... plus, her prior surgery making her lethargic, and who knows how loud/annoying the party was, she wanted to bust outta thar and get a cab at ampm. its the best location aside from her apt, and most visible to a cab, as well. im seeing logically why she would wanna be picked up there, i guess.

did she hurt herself in the accident? why did she have to change clothing? was she bleeding? did the police dna the apt to see if their were injuries that could be documented on her clothing or possibly, bathroom? if she washed up before leaving? if she had the energy to change, most women i know would ALSO have the energy to clean themselves up, put on makeup, etc.

that no one saw her at this time, i find ridiculous. someone/thing substantiates she returned home, lets hear more from that source. i wonder who that info came from?

 

[gngr~snap]

MAYBE ... They leave in 2 cars.
Boyfriend lives approx 20 min away.
AS leaves to go back to boyfriends house at 3:00 am.(20 min drive there ) ( 20 min back) -???

Wreck at 3:44 am.
Car moved... ( boyfriend drives back home 20 min)
11 tires to contact boyfriends cell from 4:10 - 4:17 am (calls begin when he should be arriving back home)
no answer
she calls cab at 4:23 or 4:43.
Says she is headed there


Could the boyfriend have been chasing her causing the accident and then he went back home?
Not to harm her but to speak with her..

I still don't like all those texts being around the time that George would have been placing the woman's body and exiting the area!!!

The seemingly 20- 40 min increments are curious.
imo
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[gngr~snap]

Something else I thought about
just a thought. Could he have dropped his cell along the way and they were calling it to try and locate it?
They find it and he leaves... Then she decided to go back to his place?



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[CluelessWonder]

Someone keeps posting a timeline that begins at 3 a.m. Wasn't she at her boyfriend's home having an argument before 3 a.m.? Why isn't that on the timeline?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

All the reports said were:

Adrienne and her Bf attended the party together and then left the party to hang at the boyfriends. Apparently they got into an argument and so Adrienne wanted to go back home/to the party.

She got out if the car before the car reached her apartment and decided to walk. The bf headed back home. all happening before 3 am.

Then reports say that Around 3 am Adrienne arrived back at her apartment/the party for about 30 minutes.

She then left the house/party a little while after 3:30 (im estimating a little after 3:30 bc it would take no longer than 10 minutes for her to make it from apt to wreck at rio salado) to head up to Scottsdale to meet her bf.

Her car wrecked not longer after on rio Salado near Ash and W 1st street at 3:44 am (911 call came in at 3:44 so I'm assuming wreck was a minute or two earlier than call)

From 4:10-4:17 Adrienne calls her bf 11 times. She then leaves a text to her bf saying "I'm coming over" at 4:17 am.

She then calls a cab company at 4:23 am (thank you WS user WideOpen!)

She answers her phone at 5:05 and tells the cab she is 1 minute away.

Cab calls her back at 5:07 but with no answer (I'm assuming cabbie was growing impatient w waiting)

Bringing this forward for whoever asked about Adrienne being with bf before 3:00 am.

Hope this helps!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

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We know the 911 call reporting the wreck came in at 3:44am (that's the only evidence LE has as to what time the wreck happened).

Also the maps linked at the bottom of this are the old maps. Please pay no mind.

Bringing this forward .

(please not the time at the square mark on w 5th street - the actual time she called the cab company was at 4:23 am, not 4:27 am as I incorrectly wrote on map)

 

[MissDemeanor]

In defense of Adrienne's friends I just want to say something.

I think they are probably devastated over her disappearance. My hunch is they really don't know anything more than they have already stated to the police.

I'm talking about her 'friends' and not acquaintances or someone she may have just met at the party. I'm sure her roommate who lashed out at others because they didn't show up at the car wash was just totally frustrated and at her wits end because she is so desperate for her roommate to be found.

As far as what happened to Adrienne in the wee hours that morning everything is all speculation at this point. Even the times don't really matter without something concrete to go on.

What we know is this, in the order it supposedly occurred in the wee hours Saturday morning of June 15th:

1. There was a party at Adrienne's apartment and about 40 people were there.

2. At some point Adrienne and her boyfriend left the party and went to his home in Scottsdale.

3. At some point Adrienne returned to the party because her roommates saw her.

4. At some point after that she packed a big purse (as reported) and left again to go see her boyfriend. (reported by roommates)

5. Her car hit the median on Rio Salada as reported by 911 caller.

6. Her car was abandoned a block or so away from where the wreck occurred after sustaining 2 flat tires.

7. She "appears" to have gone back to her apartment and changed clothes and "could" have left her keys and wallet. (No one has claimed to have seen her so this is still murky)

8. She called a cab to meet her at AM/PM (substantiated)

9. She and the cab driver spoke a couple of times but she still no showed

10. The father found her car at 2PM on Father's Day and notified police she was missing.

As far as I know that's all we REALLY do KNOW.

Did I leave out anything other than the times? Are we focusing too much on the times and not the events?

Just asking.

Also...for anyone who is just reading this:

The police have stated they have NO suspects. The boyfriend, the cabdriver and the dad are all in the clear according to police reports.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Goblinsolo, you mentioned biking through that business complex that is in conjunction with AMPM. You said it was very relaxed, two young women sitting under a tree talking I think you said?

I have a feeling the significant thing here is Adrienne saying she was 1 minute away on her last call to cab at 5:05. (If we take her word for it and estimate she was really less than one minute away on foot to the AM PM)

The walking time from Adrienne's apt to AMPM is around 9 minutes total.



So what is exactly 1 minute north walking distance from the AMPM?

The corner of west 7th and hardy.

 

[GGE]

cant make left onto 1st from ash/rio salado. UNLESS heading south. northbound, U CANNOT DO IT.

even on google maps, check it.

i've driven it many times, its frustrating if trying to get to that side of hood, u gotta go all way down rio salado many blocks. i lived at 1st.roosevelt, it was a frustrating commute when coming back from mill ave, etc

UNLESS u go over the median 4x4 style, your not heading down 1st west, north on rio salado.

BBM - unless you're scared and running from someone and feel like you have to. And then you'd probably ... oh, I don't know... pop your tires trying.

And then all you could do is get out and run like heck, I guess.

*goes back to reading to try to catch up*

 

[MissDemeanor]

2Hip...just out of curiosity I am wondering where you arrived at the 9 minutes walking time. I thought they stated the AM/PM was only 1/4 mile away from her place. I can easily walk 1/4 mile in 5 minutes.

And I would think she would be walking fast and not just strolling along.

Just curious as to how you got the time?