AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #3

[OldSteve]

Tonight is the Vigil at Jaycee Park for Adrienne. Some of us from here will be attending. All here who can come are invited.

We can at least show our support for Adrienne and her grieving family.

It's a candle light vigil. Even if you can't come, wherever you are, you can still light a candle.

Peace and love.....

That is great! This keeps attention on her and hopefully someone has seen something and will come forward...
I say that believing video surveillance or someone seeing something is that way this case will be solved, as I feel she was taken by someone.

I hope all the surveillance of the surrounding areas was gotten. Often it isn't because of resources needed to collect and review.. or too much time goes by and it gets lost by the time media pressure gets more resources added to solve case...

As for cabbie, my instinct is that he knew her and was looking out for her in a caring way... don't see anyone who stands out of those mentioned with bad intentions...

 

[MissDemeanor]

There's a Circle K not too terribly far away from me. I have tried to imagine under what scenario I would choose to walk there in the wee hours of the morning to meet a cab rather than have them pick me up at my place. The only plausible explanation I can come up with is that I wouldn't want anyone to know I had taken a cab somewhere. That's really all I can come up with.

 

[MissDemeanor]

That is great! This keeps attention on her and hopefully someone has seen something and will come forward...
I say that believing video surveillance or someone seeing something is that way this case will be solved, as I feel she was taken by someone.

I hope all the surveillance of the surrounding areas was gotten. Often it isn't because of resources needed to collect and review.. or too much goes by and it gets lost by the time media pressure gets more resources added to solve case...

As for cabbie, my instinct is that he knew her and was looking out for her in a caring way... don't see anyone who stands out of those mentioned with bad intentions...

Thanks Steve. Yeah...things do not look good. But this family needs closure and so I hope this case will be solved very soon. I don't think the family is feeling very positive any longer.

The cabbie would know he'd be the first one they'd suspect. What I mean is, he would know he would be the first one LE would look at and so therefore, he would be the least likely to be the perpetrator. IMO I'm with you on his innocence. It is easy to get carried away with these theories at times, however.

Too bad you can't be at the vigil tonight.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I'm wondering if AS left with her BF for Scottsdale earlier than 3:00 am just because going to his place at 3am would be about a 15 minute drive alone.

how could she have left at 3:00 with the BF, gone to his house, got a ride back and walked some of the way from mill all by 3:20 (within 20 minutes) when the round trip would have taken about 30 minutes?

This is what the reports, FA, and RF are all claiming. (according to our timeline
Provided by Mamacita)

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Oh well I'm gonna try and do the damn thang anyhow (these kids at the party all told differing stories to LE screwing me up!)

I'll get it.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Sharing again my map of where Adrienne probably was that night before she went missing. As you can see, O'Reilly's is on the left and the west parking lot in which a 'slender woman' has been seen on the store surveillance cam, is on the other side of the building from the AM/PM (across the street). Because Adrienne lives on the same side of the street as the AM/PM it is confusing as to why she would cross the 4 lane street and go to the other side of the store, when she had presumably called a cab to meet her at the AM/PM.

Hoping when you look at this map you can get a better sense of what it was like. Her apartment is several blocks north and slightly east of the AM/PM and O'Reillys. It makes one wonder why she would want to walk there rather than have a cab pick her up at her place to begin with.

 

[Tonto]

It is not against TOS to point out stark inconsistencies in publically available information. It is against TOS to sleuth a specific person that is not a suspect or POI (though that rule has been bent on occasion under clear and compelling circumstances, which I think this situation warrants). The fact is, the information we have says that a cab was dispatched at 4:23, and the cab was approximately 20 minutes away. The information we have says the cab - via police, the cab driver, and/or someone at the company - arrived 40+ minutes later, well after 5AM.

This is troubling. Any theories that don't include a possible explanation for why it took a cab twice as long to get there is fruitless, IMO. Especially now that there has been a significant piece of the timestamp filled in over the past few days. So, if folks want to be convincing, please include an explanation for the cab's time discrepancies in your theories, and one that explains away the information we received a few days ago,. Do this adequately and I'll happily move on.

 

[AngelaH]

It just makes no sense to me why she would be on the west side of OReillys. Let me ask- if she WERE going to walk to bf's house would she be walking down University away from AMPM? I can only speculate that maybe without money for the cab- she decided to walk to bf's. At 5:00 am it is getting daylight.

 

[CuriousGrace]

Respectfully snipped to show the amount of "exposure time" she had on the streets in wee hours.... about 1.5 hours! That's a long, long time for a to spot her...
Comparing this to very short amount of time Mickey Shunick was on the streets at 2am zipping cross town on her her bicycle and from out of nowhere a sees and takes her...

Agree with you and your most recent post too (unable to quote both). I hope they have scoured thoroughly for all video surveillance and even if LE has not, her family should! You would be surprised how much businesses will be willing to help, especially, if you are a family member going from business to business seeking help for your missing daughter. The circumstances leading up to her disappearce were very unfortunate but what is more unfortunate she was by herself for such an extended period of time on the street. Who knows who approached her. It could have been anyone! She was in a desperate state of mind. JMO.

 

[MissDemeanor]

It just makes no sense to me why she would be on the west side of OReillys. Let me ask- if she WERE going to walk to bf's house would she be walking down University away from AMPM? I can only speculate that maybe without money for the cab- she decided to walk to bf's. At 5:00 am it is getting daylight.

If she was walking to her BF's she would be walking in the opposite direction as the BF lived NORTH of her apartment.

 

[AngelaH]

Oh. Ok. Well - so much for that theory!

 

[MissDemeanor]

We know that Adrienne called for a cab at 4:23 and we have been told by the owner of the cab company that the closest cab was approximately 20 minutes away. We have not been told what time he arrived at the AM/PM, however we have been told he was seen there on the surveillance cams.

We were told that he called Adrienne at 5:04 and at 5:05 and spoke with her each time asking when she would be there. We have been told that she called him back at 5:06 saying she would be there in a minute.

What we don't know is exactly what time the cab arrived at the AM/PM to pick her up. We don't know if he got there at 4:43 or 4:53 or 5:00 or what time. That hasn't been disclosed by LE. But it doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all to think he didn't get there in exactly 20 minutes from the time she called for a cab.

I have had to wait for cabs before. That is not so out of the ordinary. JMHO

Friday night is a busy night for cab drivers in Scottsdale and Tempe.

 

[mamacita]

from google maps it looks like there is a bus stop on university, right in front of O'Reillys... maybe she walked up to see what time the next stop might be at that stop? i know some stops have their schedule posted. maybe she figured it could be cheaper to bus it. maybe she wasn't sure exactly where the stop was, so she walked on that side of the building in case it was a little further down University.

JMO. one of a bazillion possibilities.

 

[mamacita]

screen shot of the bus stop attached (would have posted the full pic here but didnt want to blow the margins). of course O'Reilly was Checkers when this image was taken.. but you can see the left/west parking lot of the building and then to the right/east, you can see a little bit of AMPM.

 

[MissDemeanor]

from google maps it looks like there is a bus stop on university, right in front of O'Reillys... maybe she walked up to see what time the next stop might be at that stop? i know some stops have their schedule posted. maybe she figured it could be cheaper to bus it. but from what i remember, bus schedules on sunday are less frequent. maybe they start later too. maybe she wasn't sure exactly where the stop was, so she walked on that side of the building in case it was a little further down University.

JMO. one of a bazillion possibilities.

Mama, just wanted to remind you that this would have been Saturday and not Sunday. Yes it is possible she might have wanted to check into the Bus schedule. As you can see on the map there are clearly buses running on those streets.

Normally the bus benches are not right at the corner, they are normally a few yards down so the bus has room to stop. A westbound bus might have had a stop right there, so it is possible she was taking a shortcut to go there as you speculate.

 

[AngelaH]

Oh mamacita! Good thought. Maybe she was going to catch the bus. That would make sense. Buses usually run 24/7.

 

[MissDemeanor]

screen shot of the bus stop attached (would have posted the full pic here but didnt want to blow the margins). of course O'Reilly was Checkers when this image was taken.. but you can see the left/west parking lot of the building and then to the right/east, you can see a little bit of AMPM.

Great! Thanks! Did you check to see if there is also one by O'Reilly's?

 

[MissDemeanor]

With regards to a cab company's estimated times of arrival, I think that if I knew it was a 'social' type company, whose fares were normally from parties and clubs, etc., I might think they wouldn't be as on time as one who specialized in senior citizens with doctors appointments or businessmen going to and from the airport.

 

[mamacita]

Great! Thanks! Did you check to see if there is also one by O'Reilly's?

i'm going off of the address given by MSM and i know that they said O'Reillys (i just assumed this was an old google shot and Checker had been bought out or something), but is there a different O'Reillys?

just had a thought.. there IS that bus stop, but one there would take her WEST.. wouldn't she need an EAST bound bus to get to the BFs?

 

[mamacita]

i'd really like to know what times the bus stops at that stop. maybe we can see when it last passed by and when the next stop would have been after the woman on video and the sedan were seen. i'm not familiar with AZ's bus system.. what's it called? anyone know if the bus schedule is on their website?