AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #1

[2Hip2BSquare]

Btw the creepy transients that you meet at the convenience stores around university are just old hippies who dropped way too much acid on Mill ave. back in the 60's and still have no clue what their name is, let alone where they are on planet earth.

The transients typically didn't creep me out too much.

 

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[poppyfrock]

Anyone thinking "girls" are involved? Not necessarily her room mates. The whole wallet in the apartment... AS came back but the roomies didn't see her...
I know there are plenty of reasons she might not have taken a wallet... it just seems to me like something happened at the party.
Maybe I watched "Mean Girls" too many times!

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I thought of the Skylar Neese case yesterday while reading this thread. It could have been mean girls! But probably not planned like in Skylar's case.

But I think it's just as possible it was some perv. Whether he was at the party or someone she happened along while walking.

 

[RockfordPeach]

Yes, please post the address of the apartment complex. Please. It is very important to those of us looking at aerial maps to try to put the puzzle together. I don't see the big deal in posting an entire complex's address. I mean, if it was a house or duplex or something quaint, then perhaps I could see someone having reservations. But this?

Pardon my ignorance, but everyone, would this compromise the case in any way and/or lead to any legal repercussions on my end? If not, I will give the name and address of the complex.

It appears that she lived on the second floor, (found through an instagram photo, also how I confirmed my suspicions that it was a place I had lived- I recognized it right away) just as I did. If this is the case, and the floorplans are as similar as I remember them to be, there would had one door, led to by a narrow stairway, and a balcony. To tie this into the party, that likely took place in the main living area where the door enters to, I just don't see her, or anyone else for that matter, coming and going without being seen or heard.

It also appears that she spent time at Jaycee Park (found on instagram also,) which has been mentioned previously.



I wouldn't say that the area is extremely dangerous, I apologize if I made it seem that way. I felt safe during the day. Tempe, as a whole, is a pretty decent place. I've chosen it as my home for a handful of years. The specific area of interest, Adrienne's complex within, is one of the more dilapidated areas of the city. These neighborhoods are marked "Riverside" and "Sunset" on google maps, just west of Mill Avenue, the busiest part of Tempe, and south of Tempe Town Lake. One wouldn't really recognize their quality from the main streets. The complex is maybe a 10-15 minute walk to Tempe's downtown area, aka Mill Avenue. I think it is this that draws the criminal activity and high level of transients. The area is quite mixed as far as demographic. An amount of students probably did live at the complex, but many of ASU's students stay much closer to campus at the many campus-specific housing facilities (southeast of Adrienne's area.)

 

[gngr~snap]

It seems like she sure had a busy night... I guess the boyfriend could have gone home and "crashed". Maybe he was sound asleep when she was texting him. It doesn't sound like she attended much of the party at her apartment. Not sure how drunk she was. I haven't heard much.
I still don't get the timeline when her roomies said they didn't see her come back home.
The boyfriend didn't see her go into her apartment.
That wreck could have injured her.
Who really even saw her last?
oh well hurry up and wait right!



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[gngr~snap]

Thank you Rockford!That helps me. Probably one entrance. Knowing perhaps she lived on the second floor rules out patio comings and goings...
imo

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[cluciano63]

Hoping they have checked her computers and contacts, as I am sure they are doing. While young people might be able to find a bed many places to lay low for a few weeks, it is doubtful they would or could do so with people they barely know. It is getting to be too long for her to be gone on her own, IMO. I really do not see a good ending.

 

[ozgirl70]

http://www.kpho.com/story/22687012/...teen-makes-emotional-plea-for-her-safe-return

They believe she changed her clothes, leaving behind her keys and wallet, before taking off again.

Does this mean they found the clothes she was wearing that night at the apartment too?

How else would they know she had changed?

So she was apparently there long enough to change her clothes but nobody saw her or spoke to her. She didn't tell anyone about the car accident? She wasn't shaken or upset. She just sneaked in, changed, and sneaked back out without being seen by any of the 40 people who were there. Okay.

:moo::moo:

The fact that the overnight bag is missing is significant I think.

If I were in that situation..... arguing, drunk, etc then unpacking my bag would not be a priority for me, but I would probably still make sure I had keys and wallet on my person.
I think her bag was in one place and AS, her wallet, keys and clothes were in another.

Now... trying to think like the perp..... If I had(again assuming) caused a fatal injury to someone and wanted to cover it up, I would first hide the body. I think wherever they find AS they will find her overnight bag.

Now imagine coming back from disposing of a body and realizing that some of the victims property had been left behind. What to do?? Ger rid of it of course. Only now I have to be extra careful that nobody sees me with this stuff. And I also have to make sure I'm not looking suss to those around me. Where is the safest place to put it? Right back where it belongs.

Of course that only works if AS knew her attacker and they had access to her apartment.

I wonder if the roommates had any visitors on Saturday.

All speculative and MOO.

 

[Autonomik]

The building she lives in is smack dab in the middle of the downtown Tempe "strip" that extends from Priest to McLintock on Apache road and the reason for this is because it is right next to the Light rail. The light rail is used to commute from Mesa-Tempe-Phoenix and subsequently services both the main and downtown ASU campuses as well as going directly to gateway CC (her school). Due to this and the fact that AZ has a relatively low cost of living it culminates into a kind of paradoxical area filled with students in affordable housing as well as drunks/druggies/etc so as you can imagine it makes for a kind of stratified and obtuse melting pot. When it was stated by 2hip that it is creepy more than unsafe that is entirely the case because you NEVER hear of this type of crime occurring in Tempe especially kidnappingr/disappearance/murder. She would 100% absolutely have to be abducted or left in car because the area is densely populated and not only is this a college town that area SPECIFICALLY is known Friday/saturday parties going into the late hours (even to 4am). This is a significant fact in my reasoning of this incident as the area though in some ways undesirable is generally an extremely safe town especially considering the 24/7 activitity. The kidnapping or running away would have to be executed really quickly and quietly considering the area which is why its hard to believe that a) it actually occurred the way we are being led to believe and b) there is absolutely no trace of her. Its absolutely absurd in fact because i went by the general area last night around 3am and there were at least 5 people on each block or at the worst a couple cars around. No witnesses or reports of screams or ANYTHING? Sorry that is just preposterous to suggest. Yeah the area is poorly lit and tthere's a quite few many bad alleys or dark spots but its nothing of an area you'd expect a kidnapping or disappearance to happen. This is what leads me to the belief that we were meant to falsely believe she was headed towards AMPM when in fact she was probably at the apartment or already in the clutches of whomever responsible. This was planned... at least it had to have been somewhat thought up.

 

[gngr~snap]

I think AS had to know her attacker if they were texting her boyfriend that night.
A random perp would just chunk the cell phone - it was not found was it?
Still could be an abduction I just have a feeling it isn't.
I feel like that car wreck was done on purpose.
IMO but I wasn't there so I have no idea. Just a feeling that some party goer was involved...
jmo

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[ozgirl70]

I don't think the car was wrecked on purpose. I think it was a complete accident that made a bad situation worse. Although if Adrienne's car had not been found where it was, would LE be taking her disappearance so seriously? If her car was still missing it would be easy to think she'd just taken off for some time to think.

The car wreck is first sign that something went wrong that night.

ETA I was really leaning towards someone else making the call to the cab company, but if the driver actually spoke to her, Adrienne must have made the call herself. I read that LE have cctv footage of the cabbie at the convenience store. It would be nice to see it.

:moo::moo:

 

[gngr~snap]

I was just thinking... (scary I know!) lol

AS only had the one car key at the apartment.
I wonder if the roomies have had the locks changed.
I would think they would want that done ASAP if there is a chance that some random person has AS.
What if he returned? He could just open the door and walk in!!!

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[Seajay]

In regards to naming POI or suspect vs not. Some LE do, some don't. It means nothing. Here it means we cannot talk of anyone not named as a suspect or POI as if they are a suspect or POI.

LE rarely comes out and SAYS they CLEARED anyone. Therefore, if no one is cleared, they are still an unnamed POI or suspect to the police, just not us.

I've been on a case where LE has repeatedly stated over and over again, someone is not a POI or a suspect. That hasn't stopped the speculation from just about everyone in that thread from saying anyway they can without coming right out and saying it, that he committed the murder. Such is life. Even though we are not to outright accuse him or bash him, it still somehow gets done. So pretty much whether some one is NOT named a POI or suspect, it doesn't matter. IMO.

 

[mamacita]

a few things before i head to bed for the night...

i'm thinking when she called the cabbie back and said "ill be there in a minute".. i really doubt she meant "1 exact minute". maybe she was on her way, but just leaving the apartment? she might not have even walked out of it yet. maybe she ran into trouble just as she was walking through her apartment complex? is it possible that she never even made it out of the complex?? even if she was eventually taken out in some unsuspecting way by a perp. i'm just thinking.. i've said "i'll be there in a minute" or "just a second" many many times in my life and never did i expect those words to be taken so exact. maybe he thought she might actually be a little further away than a minute, so he decided to call her back (when the phone happened to be off) to see if there was a closer location he could pick her up from if she wasn't real close.

another thought - is this a complex comprised 99% of college students? could there be a tenant nearby that maybe complained often if/when these parties were held? maybe someone that was just fed up? anyone that's ever called the police on them before?

could the accident have been the result of someone in the passenger seat attempting to grab the steering wheel during an argument? maybe the passenger thought that the driver was driving too crazily, so they tried to get them to pull over? the driver could have been Adrienne, but Adrienne also could have been a passenger in her own car. who knows.

 

[Tonto]

If she went back to her apartment to change clothes, then she had something on her clothes from the accident that prompted said change (blood, soda, beer, etc.).

Also, since no one will post the address of the complex - is there any reason she would walk from her place to that AMPM for a cab? Is that the most convenient place? Or better, is her apartment complex not suitable for a cab pickup?

Her purported actions do not make a lick of sense to me.

 

[gngr~snap]

If she went back to her apartment to change clothes, then she had something on her clothes from the accident that prompted said change (blood, soda, beer, etc.).

Good thought.
Were the clothes left at her apartment? Or did she just grab a change of clothes?


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[cluciano63]

This gets to sound more and more like the case of Kortne Stouffer, with arguments, lots of friends/associates, drinking, and in and out of an apartment, finally vanishing in the middle of the night, leaving behind her dog and everything else. She was there when police came to her door one minute, gone the next, in a small town. Same with Lauren. How does this happen and how do people keep quiet if they know something? It is too far-fetched to me to think there just always happens to be a waiting predator around every corner, in every city or state, when these girls have wild nights.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I just found this thread this evening...

Puzzling case...:waitasec:

 

[margarita25]

Mean Girls could be a possibility...

<edit: as well as many other possibilities!>