AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #1

[MissDemeanor]

:truce:

I am not the one who thought the posts were over zealous. It wasn't you but a couple if other posters posted something about forensic vans being in the area today by the burning house.

I was stating that I would have posted it too if I had seen them.

Oh wait! It might have been you. Haha. Sorry it's all so confusing and I'm on my phone and not computer so it's easy to get posts mixed up. I think we should be able to share any information we see or read or hear from reliable sources.

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that was the purpose here.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Can you at least tell us if there was caution tape around the area? I don't see that information as compromising anything. And I'm new here and I've read the TOS and am trying as hard as I can to abide by the rules.

 

[cluciano63]

I think the media would be on the scene if the vans had to do with Adrienne. In other cases, it does not take the media any time at all to figure out when something is happening, and to report in it, accurately or not.

Locals should be able to report what they see themselves, as long as it is not rumors, but something they witness in the area.

 

[wannabeasupersleuth]

Here is the link for the cousin's shooting a year ago: http://www.kpho.com/story/20538225/shooting-victims-mom-pleads-for-answers-memorial-planned

I just drove my husband to the light rail in Mesa. Drove through a dust storm, past two forensics vans and a burning home. It's humid and the air is hot and heavy, the sky is hazy and everything feels just... "off". Hope goblinsolo is okay out there on his bike...

I don't think SandSage was linking this statement directly to Adrienne. We all put a lot of emotion into this forum yesterday and didn't get nearly as far as we hoped. It was hard for me to wake up on the positive side of the bed. Had I been the one to come across this scene in the wee hours, it would have confirmed the melancholy I felt when I woke up...

 

[goblinsolo]

i was talking about speculation of ANY police in the direct area of the salinas location, whether the ampm, her apt area, the accident, or the place where car was left... i didn't read about the mesa fire, someone posted about forensic vehicles after we were specifically talking about a defined area.

and to that, i wont be specific nor speculate on any potential direct action by the police/fbi in pursuit or solving of this missing woman, because thats over-stepping as far as im concerned, and improper at the least.

it just wouldnt be right, and thats where i was speaking of being over zealous when it was alluded to that possible forensic vehicles were anywhere near downtown tempe area.

it all is lost in translation, online. one convo doesn't involve another usually, and a 100 diff thoughts and ideas are circulating here. im just as guilty as throwing TOO MUCH out here, and not following the dialogue of what is on the table by the forum.

apoligies all around if it sounded like i was being dismissive or aggressive/angry to forum members. i just think we need to truly consider that its an ongoing investigation and putting location of cops in a direct location in regards to a salinas being found or investigated, doesnt help her. in an open forum where those who might do her harm, can also see and adjust to police location via seeing it online.

you wouldn't compromise the location of a police sniper if one was positioned in a crisis situation, and as such i feel the same as to defining or saying to a certain degree if a cop/fbi/forensic van was spotted somewhere.

thats all.

 

[RockfordPeach]



I've taken 2Hip2BSquare's map and added to it a bit. I traced the speculated route that AS could had taken.

I think that it's entirely possible that AS could had gotten on to 1st from the site of her accident. Regardless of the accident's actual location, she likely did not obey street signs in order to get her car out of the way. She would had then continued west on 1st, coming to Roosevelt, turning south and attempting to head toward 5th street. Roosevelt is more residential than Farmer or Wilson (her first two turn options) so I could see her believing it to be a safer, more quite place to turn in the middle of the night. What I wonder about, however, is how she managed to drive that distance with two popped front tires, like the rest of you. If she could had gotten as far as they say she did before dumping the car, I feel she could had gotten all the way home with the car. They seem natural paths to me, though why the car was said to be left at the Roosevelt/Brown location and why she chose to meet the cab at AM/PM baffles me also. Speculating only, but perhaps both are red herrings. Regardless of when and why, I feel that AS would had stayed along the streets that I pointed out on the map.

Most simply put, with the information we are given and assuming the red herrings are nonexistent, this is how I speculate things went down:
1. AS attempted to get to boyfriend's home going NE from her apartment to Rio Salado.
2. Here, Ash and Rio Salado, AS experienced her accident and "took off" on the shown route in attempt to get back to her home with her damaged car.
3. Once she reached Roosevelt/Brown, something prompted her to get out of her car and/or made her believe she could not drive it any further. Perhaps this is the first time she was calmly able to stop- she would had then assessed the damage and decided to leave the car (in a seemingly safe spot) and carry on by foot.
4. She walked from Roosevelt/Brown to 5th Street, went to her apartment, changed her clothes, called for a cab to meet her at AM/PM.
5. She left her apartment, hoping to take either 5th to Hardy (passing Jaycee Park) or Hardy directly. This is where we lose track.

I hope this seems clear and accurate, please let me know if there are places to revise.

I drove the area a bit yesterday afternoon. I saw around five posters. Only police presence I was aware of was one police car at a complex on Hardy.

To clarify what I can come up with in regards to the "forensic vans," it was a completely unrelated comment upon the atmosphere of the valley as of late and the location was assigned to Mesa, not Tempe.

 

[goblinsolo]

I have spent the day (without exaggeration), combing through FB accounts of friends on A Salinas's page and a couple of others. Anyone who's page was open. At one point I had about 13 tabs open to pages that seemed to have leading discussions so I could monitor comments (nosey, ain't I? I"ll take it!). Poof! What was GLARINGLY clear was this: no one is talking. WTH. Check out Jeff Block Is Missing on FB. 100's of strangers came together to share information and discuss (very much like this forum thread has become) and he was found as a result. Deceased, unfortunately, but found as a result of strangers pulling together. Everyone gave every ounce of information they had - it was all on the table. These "friends" of A. Salinas's seem like bots. It's heartbreaking as is frustrating.

going back to the dialogue(s) of the past 24hrs, this sticks out, its so spot on... their is an air of indifference about a salinas missing, from the very people you would think would care. it was expressed by the roommate as well. you would think they would do a car wash at the restaurant she works at, you would think a friend or two would hope to do a press conference themselves. IF my gf, or close friend was missing for 2wks, i would be asking for a press conference every day.

someone isn't talking. someone knows something, and that they are covering for each other, imo.

 

[goblinsolo]



I've taken 2Hip2BSquare's map and added to it a bit. I traced the speculated route that AS could had taken.

I think that it's entirely possible that AS could had gotten on to 1st from the site of her accident. Regardless of the accident's actual location, she likely did not obey street signs in order to get her car out of the way. She would had then continued west on 1st, coming to Roosevelt, turning south and attempting to head toward 5th street. Roosevelt is more residential than Farmer or Wilson (her first two turn options) so I could see her believing it to be a safer, more quite place to turn in the middle of the night. What I wonder about, however, is how she managed to drive that distance with two popped front tires, like the rest of you. If she could had gotten as far as they say she did before dumping the car, I feel she could had gotten all the way home with the car. They seem natural paths to me, though why the car was said to be left at the Roosevelt/Brown location and why she chose to meet the cab at AM/PM baffles me also. Speculating only, but perhaps both are red herrings. Regardless of when and why, I feel that AS would had stayed along the streets that I pointed out on the map.

Most simply put, with the information we are given and assuming the red herrings are nonexistent, this is how I speculate things went down:
1. AS attempted to get to boyfriend's home going NE from her apartment to Rio Salado.
2. Here, Ash and Rio Salado, AS experienced her accident and "took off" on the shown route in attempt to get back to her home with her damaged car.
3. Once she reached Roosevelt/Brown, something prompted her to get out of her car and/or made her believe she could not drive it any further. Perhaps this is the first time she was calmly able to stop- she would had then assessed the damage and decided to leave the car (in a seemingly safe spot) and carry on by foot.
4. She walked from Roosevelt/Brown to 5th Street, went to her apartment, changed her clothes, called for a cab to meet her at AM/PM.
5. She left her apartment, hoping to take either 5th to Hardy (passing Jaycee Park) or Hardy directly. This is where we lose track.

I hope this seems clear and accurate, please let me know if there are places to revise.

I drove the area a bit yesterday afternoon. I saw around five posters. Only police presence I was aware of was one police car at a complex on Hardy.

To clarify what I can come up with in regards to the "forensic vans," it was a completely unrelated comment upon the atmosphere of the valley as of late and the location was assigned to Mesa, not Tempe.

this seems to be best explanation of route, imo.. my question is... are we sure from evidence, that she went home after the accident? what verifies that? im not arguing it, im just trying to clear my head and make sense of it.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Start- around 845pm or so... ash and university, proceeded north down ash to commute to the ash.rio salado area where accident was reported to occur

1. area where accident/(tires popped?) occured, and 911 report confirms someone drove the car onto a curb, or median or hit something in area. without knowing if car was traveling north or south, this already is a confusing place to figure out what happened.
There were many curb/tire marks on street, median, etc. It would be impossible to figure out which one possibly was her car, as its almost like the entire median is marked by the fast/furious racers...
IF she was going north on salado, THERE IS NO WAY to cross over to 1st street. its impossible via car. ON BIKE, I made my way down 1st street to proceed into general area... this area could very well have cameras under bridges but as it was fairly dark, was not able to see much that was easily noticed, and didn't see any particular cams in plain view.

2. proceeded 1st to farmer. i had an inclination to go down 1st instead, to wilson. but instead figured that perhaps farmer might have a road into brown. GUESS WHAT? no west bound way to get to brown from farmer. NONE. this street is not as desolate as it used to be, and noted several people walking (home, from mill?) in the area.

3. after not being able to access brown on farmer, i proceeded down 5th street. i then cut down wilson, and then went west to brown street. this street is reportedly the area where a salinas last left her vehicle. one thing stood out here, but as to not compromise the ongoing police/fbi investigation i will not comment as to what that is.

4. went down brown to intersection of roosevelt, then decided to turn south onto 5th street AS BROWN DOES NOT CUT thru roosevelt into the area where a salinas could perhaps take brown back to hardy, its not possible. (i will discuss my observation about this at the conclusion of this post...) a short hop down a street filled with many gentrified/large studios, as this area right where roosevelt goes to 5th has become filled with expensive condo/lofts.

5. turned onto road that becomes brown street. this is a wonderful street in tempe, i have had 2 seperate friends on this street prior, in past who lived here. heavily covered with trees, its a private road of older apartments. only thing of note was a pair of black pants on the lawn of the bend heading west down brown. weird? perhaps. a few people were out and about, the regular type of young people who frequent this area. nothing out of ordinary...

6. as i do not know, nor would i harass or invade the area where a salinas reportedly live, i went a bit north on hardy, and then made a u turn to the area of uni/hardy.. passing by park to east, i noticed a large pickup game of basketball at park, and remarked to myself how much better lit and clean the park is, than even a few years ago when i was more often in this part of tempe. it was nice, even. i noted two women pushing one baby carriage, and life seemed strangely normal.

7. here is the ampm where a salinas called for cab, to meet her. nothing out of ordinary, i waved to some bicylists who were cutting thru lot as i proceeded to bike leisurely down hardy. a great restaurant that stays busy here till 1am or so usually has made this area not as desolate and a popular watering hole for younger hip 20 somethings. the ampm lot i biked thru, and noted 2 young women casually talking under a tree. I used to live right next to this ampm lot that is full of restaurants now. in a beautiful condo, actually. IF this area is supposed to be scary, its not to the residents and people who use it. of course, its only 930-45 or so. (weather is warm, dust storm hasnt moved thru as of yet) as nothing seemed to be strange, i proceeded to make my way back down university, to my starting point of ash/university.

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the biggest points I noted, IS THAT there is zero reason that a salinas left her car at roosevelt.brown area. its a street that doesnt connect to either farmer, or to brown that goes to hardy area where is near where she lived. this to me, is the biggest mystery. whether north.south.east.west, you have to PURPOSELY want to go down brown between roosevelt and wilson. there is no other reason, AND WHY would she or whom ever is driving, go to this area?

THERE WAS NO SIGNS, or police in this area. i saw ZERO foot presence or squad cars/trucks. i saw ONE salinas poster, at ampm on a gas pump. thats it.

other than that, i noted that the total area is not as desolate or run down as it was in the 1990s, or even 5 years ago. you can visually see it as a much more welcoming, friendly environment. i could imagine that into the early (late?) dawn hours, not a soul would most likely be in this area, so at best its desolate of people at that hour...

**IF ANYONE HAS SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, i can address those as I don't want to be too detailed in this post, as my memory is still pretty good and the details of every street, i could write a novel...

Black pants? Adrienne was wearing all black that night from what I remember.... At least before getting changed and heading to am pm.

"he biggest points I noted, IS THAT there is zero reason that a salinas left her car at roosevelt.brown area. its a street that doesnt connect to either farmer, or to brown that goes to hardy area where is near where she lived. this to me, is the biggest mystery. whether north.south.east.west, you have to PURPOSELY want to go down brown between roosevelt and wilson. there is no other reason, AND WHY would she or whom ever is driving, go to this area? "

But she could have hit Wilson to get to West Brown. Also
Could have hit up Roosevelt to get to West Brown.

I think she was going South on Rio
Salado (again yesterday I thought we came to the conclusion that she was prob heading S during the wreck and then took West 1st, S on Wilson, and then west on West Brown???

 

[cluciano63]

Could she have wanted to "hide" the car, or drive on streets less populated for as far as she could before abandoning it? Staying out of sight of police?

 

[goblinsolo]

im conceding to the notion that she could of wound up on roosevelt/brown by lieu of just turning there from either roosevelt or wilson, coming from 1st. its not completely sensical, but w two popped tires, and being tired/scared/drunk/angry/in a rush/ whatever, we all would make strange judgements behind a wheel, and its not so odd to me, on 2nd thought, that she could of turned off onto that road.

are we then saying she went HOME first after accident and leaving car, before trying to head to ampm and calling cab? that would make sense why her car key was left there, but her other keys were not. trying to perhaps make it look like she wasnt even driving the car, maybe. is that the timeline and info? confusement, sets in again!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

this seems to be best explanation of route, imo.. my question is... are we sure from evidence, that she went home after the accident? what verifies that? im not arguing it, im just trying to clear my head and make sense of it.

I honestly think she would have taken the first street available going south after getting onto 1st street so I say she went down Wilson. Also would explain why her car was on west brown as it connects Wilson and Roosevelt.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

im conceding to the notion that she could of wound up on roosevelt/brown by lieu of just turning there from either roosevelt or wilson, coming from 1st. its not completely sensical, but w two popped tires, and being tired/scared/drunk/angry/in a rush/ whatever, we all would make strange judgements behind a wheel, and its not so odd to me, on 2nd thought, that she could of turned off onto that road.

are we then saying she went HOME first after accident and leaving car, before trying to head to ampm and calling cab? that would make sense why her car key was left there, but her other keys were not. trying to perhaps make it look like she wasnt even driving the car, maybe. is that the timeline and info? confusement, sets in again!

Yes LE said she went home after the accident to change.

 

[goblinsolo]

2hip, first street woulda been farmer. 2nd, wilson. then roosevelt. farmer, no street to brown west. if she was trying to get back home, the quickest way woulda been just staying on 1st to hardy.. but something tells me her concern wasn't being a perfect navigator at that time.

whos' to say that any real crisis of situation was even occuring at this point other than accident, and her trying to get home...

the 5am to 507am period of phone use, could of all occured after she got home and was heading to ampm. IF we are thinking she went home after car was left at roosevelt/brown and that seems to be theory? i still wanna read (again,) why people think she went home after accident? im missing that piece o info

IM NEW, here. what is LE? and, why would anyone of had a convo after accident with her? where was that posted in the media?

 

[Harmony 2]

You have to have an instagram account to view other's instagrams. Creating one is very simple and can be marked to "private" so no one can view yours. Her's is wide open: Adrienne Salinas (ADRIENNNNNE__ )

ETA Instagram on a PC is useless. It is a phone app developed as such..

I don't have an instagram account and I was able to view it on my laptop..

 

[Autonomik]

So quick question... How did they know her last text/calls were to her BF 3 days after and only 2 days after LE got involved? Despite the fact that cell phone forensics/transcript retrieval of calls and SMS have come so far in recent times it still takes a minimum of a week to set all the paperwork and research into motion for discovering all final communications made from a wireless device. I sincerely think they did find the cell phone.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

"Salinas attended a party in Tempe with her boyfriend the night of June 14 and had been drinking. She and her boyfriend got into an argument at the party. The boyfriend drove her to his home in Scottsdale, but they continued to argue so he drove her home.

The last time anyone reported seeing Salinas was early in the morning of June 15. Her roommates told police that she packed an overnight bag and said she was driving back to her boyfriend’s home.

But the boyfriend told police that Salinas never arrived. A witness reported seeing Salinas’ car hit a median near her apartment. Rick Salinas found the car two blocks away on Saturday with two flat tires and reported his daughter missing to police.

Later the morning of June 15, Adrienne Salinas repeatedly called the boyfriend, but was unable to reach him, shortly after 4 a.m. She eventually sent him a text message at 4:43 a.m., saying “I’m coming over.’’

The boyfriend told police that she never arrived. Police say said there has been no trace of her since 5:05 a.m. that morning, when she called a cab, but a cabdriver was unable to find her. Her cell phone turned off at 5:07 a.m."

This doesn't state ( most recent report) that anyone saw Adrienne go back to the apartment the last time after the wreck. )

http://tempeinmotion.com/2013/07/big-tempe-search-conducted-in-case-of-missing-woman/

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

2hip, first street woulda been farmer. 2nd, wilson. then roosevelt. farmer, no street to brown west. if she was trying to get back home, the quickest way woulda been just staying on 1st to hardy.. but something tells me her concern wasn't being a perfect navigator at that time.

whos' to say that any real crisis of situation was even occuring at this point other than accident, and her trying to get home...

the 5am to 507am period of phone use, could of all occured after she got home and was heading to ampm. IF we are thinking she went home after car was left at roosevelt/brown and that seems to be theory? i still wanna read (again,) why people think she went home after accident? im missing that piece o info

IM NEW, here. what is LE? and, why would anyone of had a convo after accident with her? where was that posted in the media?

Ok this is frustrating as I didn't say Wilson is the FIRST street. It is the first AVAILABLE street for her to head south on and still shortcut west, as WEST brown would provide. Obviously farmer is the 1st street available going South but taking farmer would be like going around your back to touch your elbow when it's RIGHT THERE.

Your theory she went down Roosevelt and then turned into west brown (heading the Opposite direction of her apartment) makes no sense to me.

 

[cluciano63]

I think most accounts allow you to view phone activity online, her parents probably could pull up her current billing cycle. LE probably looked at the BF's phone for text detail, and since the phone was turned off or stopped working soon after, they may be presuming those were the last texts.

 

[Autonomik]

also sorry for double post but this just came to mind....The LE lack of public disclosure of info to me is more of a sign that they are withholding info for the sake of not compromising what they must be looking into because i severely doubt with the likelihood of SOME evidence coming to light into todays social network/technology society leaves traces of evidence almost everywhere. Also with where she was last seen/expected to go there is likely no way someone scooped her randomly without resistance or someone hearing the struggle. I believe the suspect is connected to the party and possibly the erratic car ride because i dont know about you but i find it impossible to believe someone would hit a median so hard that somehow both tires popped or tore open and she could manage to drive/turn/navigate for 5 minutes to where she left it.