AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #2

[goblinsolo]

Good question. I wondered about that myself. Is he trying to say that he waited around for her for 20 minutes twiddling his thumbs?? He didn't try to call and he just waited there??? I don't see that happening. In a town full of college students who are pranksters, I can't see him sitting there without thinking he had been punk'd. Why would he wait so long before contacting her??

Unless........he didn't get there in 20 minutes and arrived at 4:23 am. Do we have any verification as to the TIME the cabbie ARRIVED at the am/pm? Something's not right about this.

the surveillance shows him goin' thru the lot/ampm, no salinas in that lot at anytime, and if she was on camera, you would HOPE the news/police would of reported it. it would of pinpointed her location, but they haven't said that.

she has a window from 423 or so, to 507 when phone when zzzzzz, and that we have this cabbie going to ampm as he was told to do by her, shes not there...

we haven't seen the surveillance cam, we have no idea really how long he waited. AND IF her phone was done after 507, he couldnt call her.

***
also, in regards to many missing people in area, i would love to see the evidence of this. i havent seen this epic amount of missing persons' posters, nor heard a peep in news. ys, the valley IS the kidnap capital of the usa (so im not discrediting it,) and perhaps people aren't aware that tempe is not just a close to 200,000 city but in middle of the phx metro area, mesa is 400,000, phx is huge like 2 mil, and scotts is close to 300,000 i think. we are not just a sleepy college town, and in a city this big, its not like lost boys movie and we are some small villa that has 99% of all people going missing due to vampires. i wanna see whatever the BG postee was refering to at circle k. period.

we have big city crimes. just a month or so ago, a guy (ALLEGEDLY) smashed his gfs face in with work out weights, and he is sitting awaiting trial for that, its a murder. in tempe. things happen, its a violent world. but, without any reason or evidence, lets not just say OH THEIR IS SERIAL KILLER. i wanna see whatever that person posted about, i live right in this community, and we talk, we are very aware and concerned if something of that magnitude was happening. im not talking a college community, im talking people who have lived here 10-20 years. so, if someone sees anything about missing people/girls in excess of salinas and similiar in regards to disspearing in this area, NOT glendale, NOT gila bend, NOT TUCSON, not las vegas, plz plz post it. its already confusing enough.

 

[margarita25]

http://www.kpho.com/story/22709539/c...h-missing-teen

Also there is an interesting comment from 6 days ago by BG. I wonder how true this is. Is there a way to sleuth this out and dig a little deeper into any relevance possibly relating?

jmo

Maybe someone from here can post anonymously over there directly addressing the poster, asking if she remembers any names?

 

[MissDemeanor]

There is still something that is nagging me in the back of my mind with regards to the cab company and logged times of calls, etc.

To re-capsulate in order to help my thoughts....

According to the owner of the company, it went like this:

4:23 a.m. Adrienne calls for cab. He dispatches the closes one and says it is 20 minutes away.

* Did the dispatcher tell Adrienne the cab was 20 mins away? If so, Adrienne would have thought the cab was arriving at 4:43 and would have wanted to be at the AM/PM at that time. Did the cabbie GET THERE at 4:43 or close to that time? And if he did why is there no mention of any call to Adrienne until 5:05 a.m.? 52 minutes after she first called for the cab and was told one would be there in 20 minutes.

** We have been told that the surveillance tapes show the driver at the AM/PM at the time he stated he was there to pick her up but she isn't seen. Is it possible she might have gotten there sooner, when she thought the cab was going to be there for her, and somehow not been picked up on the surveillance cameras? Or could they not be telling us?

*** I am thinking it might be possible she WAS at the AM/PM (maybe even when she called for the cab) and LE knows it but isn't telling us. But she left before the cab got there because she didn't think he was coming. Or for some other reason, she left. But she was probably seen on the surveillance camera and THAT is where she was last seen at 5:00 a.m.

Does anyone else think this is a possibility?

 

[goblinsolo]

There is still something that is nagging me in the back of my mind with regards to the cab company and logged times of calls, etc.

To re-capsulate in order to help my thoughts....

According to the owner of the company, it went like this:

4:23 a.m. Adrienne calls for cab. He dispatches the closes one and says it is 20 minutes away.

* Did the dispatcher tell Adrienne the cab was 20 mins away? If so, Adrienne would have thought the cab was arriving at 4:43 and would have wanted to be at the AM/PM at that time. Did the cabbie GET THERE at 4:43 or close to that time? And if he did why is there no mention of any call to Adrienne until 5:05 a.m.? 52 minutes after she first called for the cab and was told one would be there in 20 minutes.

** We have been told that the surveillance tapes show the driver at the AM/PM at the time he stated he was there to pick her up but she isn't seen. Is it possible she might have gotten there sooner, when she thought the cab was going to be there for her, and somehow not been picked up on the surveillance cameras? Or could they not be telling us?

*** I am thinking it might be possible she WAS at the AM/PM (maybe even when she called for the cab) and LE knows it but isn't telling us. But she left before the cab got there because she didn't think he was coming. Or for some other reason, she left. But she was probably seen on the surveillance camera and THAT is where she was last seen at 5:00 a.m.

Does anyone else think this is a possibility?

IF LE saw her on ampm surveillance and hasn't told us, is it then a complete smoke/mirrors that they searched lake, set up a post and sent out a huge squad on sat? im a bit suspicious of disinformation, but what would that be covering for?

seriously. what? i dont know

 

[MissDemeanor]

the surveillance shows him goin' thru the lot/ampm, no salinas in that lot at anytime, and if she was on camera, you would HOPE the news/police would of reported it. it would of pinpointed her location, but they haven't said that.

she has a window from 423 or so, to 507 when phone when zzzzzz, and that we have this cabbie going to ampm as he was told to do by her, shes not there...

we haven't seen the surveillance cam, we have no idea really how long he waited. AND IF her phone was done after 507, he couldnt call her.

***
also, in regards to many missing people in area, i would love to see the evidence of this. i havent seen this epic amount of missing persons' posters, nor heard a peep in news. ys, the valley IS the kidnap capital of the usa (so im not discrediting it,) and perhaps people aren't aware that tempe is not just a close to 200,000 city but in middle of the phx metro area, mesa is 400,000, phx is huge like 2 mil, and scotts is close to 300,000 i think. we are not just a sleepy college town, and in a city this big, its not like lost boys movie and we are some small villa that has 99% of all people going missing due to vampires. i wanna see whatever the BG postee was refering to at circle k. period.

we have big city crimes. just a month or so ago, a guy (ALLEGEDLY) smashed his gfs face in with work out weights, and he is sitting awaiting trial for that, its a murder. in tempe. things happen, its a violent world. but, without any reason or evidence, lets not just say OH THEIR IS SERIAL KILLER. i wanna see whatever that person posted about, i live right in this community, and we talk, we are very aware and concerned if something of that magnitude was happening. im not talking a college community, im talking people who have lived here 10-20 years. so, if someone sees anything about missing people/girls in excess of salinas and similiar in regards to disspearing in this area, NOT glendale, NOT gila bend, NOT TUCSON, not las vegas, plz plz post it. its already confusing enough.

Hi Goblin! It could be simply a case of someone exaggerating the number of fliers she put up. If she put up two (which is still a lot) in her mind she could have thought 5 or 6. People do exaggerate, especially if they can make something sound more sensational than it is.

Somehow I doubt there have been 5 girls missing in two months that we don't know about.

But like you...if this is the case....I want to know about it!

The question I posed before you posted was...

Could there be a cover-up?

 

[MissDemeanor]

IF LE saw her on ampm surveillance and hasn't told us, is it then a complete smoke/mirrors that they searched lake, set up a post and sent out a huge squad on sat? im a bit suspicious of disinformation, but what would that be covering for?

seriously. what? i dont know

I just think there are a LOT of things they aren't telling the public about this case.

I was actually shocked when they dragged the lake that Monday after she was first reported missing. And they said they had no reason to believe she was in there but just wanted to rule it out.

That seems like a strange way to spend tax dollars...unless you REALLY do have some information that makes you think otherwise.

 

[goblinsolo]

Hi Goblin! It could be simply a case of someone exaggerating the number of fliers she put up. If she put up two (which is still a lot) in her mind she could have thought 5 or 6. People do exaggerate, especially if they can make something sound more sensational than it is.

Somehow I doubt there have been 5 girls missing in two months that we don't know about.

But like you...if this is the case....I want to know about it!

The question I posed before you posted was...

Could there be a cover-up?

i think it was page14 of the original thread on a salinas, my first post alluded to a rant/hypothesis of epic 'weird cant be true' porportions

*****
i hypothesized that the set $$$ for her on the gofundme.com website, screamed out that potentially she was being held and a dowry was being collected for her. it made no sense, that 10,000 was set on gofundme by her mum.
and, the flyer was a diff fund raise correct?; its now, same amount!?

i had 2 theories. one, that she herself is in on a fake kidnap, and that is a dangerous situation as the reality of that sets in, and her safety would still be in question as the money ain't being raised too quickly. perhaps she owes/or her guyfriend, or someone else, needs exactly 10,000.

OR, that she wasn't in the know, and she was knapped and now ransomed until the sum is met; this amount is for her safe return. perhaps someone close to her, owes nefarious people an amount.

the police know this!, and worry for her safety and don't want to compromise that, and have gone the lengths to show the community that she is just 'missing' to cover for the money to be made and then she is revealed and they can find her, perhaps. its why they went to river/lake to cover and make it look like, yeah shes just missing or in the lake.

******

well, thats some crazy theory, NOW that i read what i was initially thinking. seems absolutely insane!!!!!

 

[MissDemeanor]

i think it was page14 of the original thread on a salinas, my first post alluded to a rant/hypothesis of epic 'weird cant be true' porportions

*****
i hypothesized that the set $$$ for her on the gofundme.com website, screamed out that potentially she was being held and a dowry was being collected for her. it made no sense, that 10,000 was set on gofundme by her mum.
and, the flyer was a diff fund raise correct?; its now, same amount!?

i had 2 theories. one, that she herself is in on a fake kidnap, and that is a dangerous situation as the reality of that sets in, and her safety would still be in question as the money ain't being raised too quickly. perhaps she owes/or her guyfriend, or someone else, needs exactly 10,000.

OR, that she wasn't in the know, and she was knapped and now ransomed until the sum is met; this amount is for her safe return. perhaps someone close to her, owes nefarious people an amount.

the police know this!, and worry for her safety and don't want to compromise that, and have gone the lengths to show the community that she is just 'missing' to cover for the money to be made and then she is revealed and they can find her, perhaps. its why they went to river/lake to cover and make it look like, yeah shes just missing or in the lake.

******

well, thats some crazy theory, NOW that i read what i was initially thinking. seems absolutely insane!!!!!

haha!!! You are highly creative, Goblin! I definitely remember that post!

LOL

But like they say...truth is stranger than fiction!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I noticed there are some questions still regarding the cab driver and his possible involvement.

LE has already checked out the cab driver thoroughly. They searched his car, searched his home, and took DNA from him. They say he has cooperated with them and he is not a suspect or POI at this time.

Personally I doubt he had anything to do with her disappearance. The cab company was owned by his family and his own dad was the dispatcher, who would know he saw Adrienne, if he did. I think one would be much less likely to commit a crime if someone already knows you are there.

What I do wonder is how big the cab company is and if they had other drivers who might have heard the dispatch to pick up Adrienne. If the father thought the driver was only 20 minutes away, but he took longer than that, is it possible he might have inquired of other drivers how long it would take them to get there?

As one very nice poster pointed out several days ago, and he was the owner of a cab company, they have to keep very strict records. It's the law. And he said that in the area where Adrienne lives these kids depend on their cab drivers to keep them from getting DUIs and normally they know them pretty well.

I would be interested in knowing how many times Adrienne had used this company in the past and how many other drivers they had and where they were at the time.

Also, if I were LE I would look into the records of other cab companies who picked up fares in the same area that early morning. She might have called another company after no showing for that one.

Imho If the cab driver is caught on the video camera - waiting there at the AMPM during the 2 minutes we presume Adrienne disappeared (5:05am-5:07am), then doesn't that prove the cab driver's alibi?

Surely he can't be in two places at once.

 

[missgulfsouth]

Bringing this in from last thread for you guys to help.

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After her wreck at 3:44 am, the route Adrienne most likely took was a 1 minute drive going speed limit from wreck at rio Salado to the car drop at w brown and Roosevelt. (of course her car probably was moving slower with two flat tires and shot alignment).

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5 minutes to walk from car drop at w brown and Roosevelt to apartment complex.

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7 minute walk from the apartment to the AMPM.

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Area 1 minute walking distance north of the AMPM is 7th street area and hardy (assuming she was really 1 minute away from AMPM when her last call came in before phone shut off - she said at 5:05 am to the cabbie she was one minute away.)

Good evening SandSage.

I most definitely am of the opinion, after reading report and report on this, that the roomie is referring to the last time she left, after she came back from being at the b/fs place the first time.

Yes...dang confusing allrighty!!!

Right. The simplest answer. Rarely are these cases that complicated. I think we watch too much TV sometimes and we think there have to be 5 or 6 layers to a story, when it's actually quite simple.

I've been looking over the timeline, and a few things stand out to me.

1. The witness to the car accident thought they saw two people in the car, but were they able to identify Adrienne as the driver? Even if so, how credible could this sighting be? It was dark, and the car sped away almost immediately after blowing out both tyres, so unless Adrienne actually got out of the car after hitting the gutter, I doubt the witness to the accident could have said with any certainty that Adrienne herself was there. LE have implied through their statements that it WAS Adrienne driving, but I have yet to see any information proving this is true. If Adrienne wasn't driving, it is possible that she was in the company of whoever 'disappeared' her, or someone else has her car (whether they are involved in her disappearance or not - perhaps they are scared to come forward because they shouldn't have been in her car and don't want to be implicated in whatever happened?).

2. Adrienne returned to the apartment after the accident, yet no one claims to have seen her there (even though there were around 40 people at the party). Surely someone would have noticed her come in, unless there were a whole bunch of people there that she didn't know - which could explain why she took off again almost straight away. After having an accident it's highly likely she wasn't in a very social mood, and just wanted to to her boyfriends house to work things out. Even more so if she HAD been drinking, as this would only have heightened the emotions she was experiencing at the time.

3. Adrienne is last seen around 5am - I'd love to know who by. I'm hoping she was spotted on CCTV footage rather than an eye witness, as I believe this is slightly more credible, especially considering the general 'feel' of the area of not being completely forthcoming (or even completely honest) with LE. Perhaps this is more just in relation to her friends, but from what everyone has said, I don't think it's an area that would have a great deal of respect for local LE (please correct me if I'm wrong, I live incredibly far from here so I'm just hazarding a guess). I really hope that this last known location is not based on pings from her phone, as we have all learnt, this doesn't necessarily mean Adrienne herself was there. I believe this is a VERY important piece of information in the case, which may be why LE is holding it close to their chest.

4. The cab driver waits for Adrienne at the AMPM after speaking to her (has it been specifically stated that he actually spoke TO HER?), but tries to call again a minute later and her phone has either been turned off or run out of battery. I wish there was some way of knowing which of these happened, as if it were actually turned off, something must have happened to her as soon as she got off the phone. If the phone died, at a guess I would say there is a possible window of about 5 minutes (I doubt that she was literally 1 minute away from the AMPM when she spoke to the cabbie, I think it was just a figure of speech, and that she was very CLOSE to her destination) where something may have happened to her.

5. I find it upsetting that no one bothered to go looking for her until she didn't contact her dad for fathers day. I'm not sure if this just goes to show the 'quality' of friends she surrounded herself with, or if they are all hiding something - not necessarily what actually happened, but maybe some small details of the night that they don't want LE to know for whatever reason.

With all of this, I'm still no closer to working out what happened, but it highlights the various aspects of the case that I really think we need more info on before deciding which line of sleuthing to go down. Too many variables at this stage; information at any of these points could dramatically change the outcome of the night. Sadly, she could be absolutely anywhere.

:twocents:

If all of her friends were hung over at their own homes, and assuming she went to BF's house, what would there be for them to report? No one knew she was missing.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Imho If the cab driver is caught on the video camera - waiting there at the AMPM during the 2 minutes we presume Adrienne disappeared (5:05am-5:07am), then doesn't that prove the cab driver's alibi?

Surely he can't be in two places at once.

Hey 2Hip! Hi!!! If you read one of my following posts I addresss this more specifically.

 

[MissDemeanor]

If all of her friends were hung over at their own homes, and assuming she went to BF's house, what would there be for them to report? No one knew she was missing.

That's exactly right. Other than the boyfriend, no one would know she didn't make it to his place.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

i think it was page14 of the original thread on a salinas, my first post alluded to a rant/hypothesis of epic 'weird cant be true' porportions

*****
i hypothesized that the set $$$ for her on the gofundme.com website, screamed out that potentially she was being held and a dowry was being collected for her. it made no sense, that 10,000 was set on gofundme by her mum.
and, the flyer was a diff fund raise correct?; its now, same amount!?

i had 2 theories. one, that she herself is in on a fake kidnap, and that is a dangerous situation as the reality of that sets in, and her safety would still be in question as the money ain't being raised too quickly. perhaps she owes/or her guyfriend, or someone else, needs exactly 10,000.

OR, that she wasn't in the know, and she was knapped and now ransomed until the sum is met; this amount is for her safe return. perhaps someone close to her, owes nefarious people an amount.

the police know this!, and worry for her safety and don't want to compromise that, and have gone the lengths to show the community that she is just 'missing' to cover for the money to be made and then she is revealed and they can find her, perhaps. its why they went to river/lake to cover and make it look like, yeah shes just missing or in the lake.

******

well, thats some crazy theory, NOW that i read what i was initially thinking. seems absolutely insane!!!!!

I also thought about the idea of there being a fake kidnapping or set up in order to gain funds from a staged ransom.

Also the person close to her that owes. Nefarious people could be the father, considering she disappears just before father's day. A message from her captors to the father? Theory and opinion only here!

 

[missgulfsouth]

Trying to catch up, forgive if already discussed....
I agree about the cabbie! You are so right on!

LE should check that cab for traces of her being in it.
He would be the last person to be with her, but he's "distancing" himself by saying she never got into the cab, he never saw her....
Check surveillance to look for that cab to see if empty... Lie Detect the cabbie...

Does anyone know if cabs have cameras?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Hey 2Hip! Hi!!! If you read one of my following posts I addresss this more specifically.

Sorry I didn't mean to reply with your quote. Was wanting to just add in my 2 cents with a seperate post. I can't delete posts after I make them

 

[MissDemeanor]

Just how intoxicated was Adrienne that night?

I wonder if the roommates would have let her go driving to her boyfriend's if she was so wasted they thought she could have gotten a DUI or worse.

I thought most kids these days tried to look out for each other and encouraged each other not to drive while drinking.

If she was truly intoxicated enough for the police to think she might have wandered off into the lake, why did the roomies let her drive at all?

But then again....maybe they didn't. Maybe someone else WAS driving her car.

Sorry I am not on board with the kidnapping theory. I guess I don't watch enough TV.

LOL!

sowwwwyyyyy!!

 

[missgulfsouth]

My first suspicions fell upon the cabbie.
He has had his home searched and been DNA'd.
Further reports say he is cooperating with LE.



http://www.kpho.com/story/22709539/c...h-missing-teen

The cab company says the call came in at 4:23 and the driver was 20 mins away. If true and he was dispatched when called he would have arrived at the AMPM at 4:43 and at approx the same time AS sent a text from her phone to the BF at 4:47 saying she was on her way. (no wonder Tom the cabbie was questioned, searched and DNA'd)
http://www.azcentral.com/community/t...nues-abrk.html
But then there are the back and forth calls between AS and the cab driver at 5:05.
I guess I still think its possible that Adrienne was in the cab when she sent that 4:47 text to BF saying "she was on her way" (bolded taken from above msm link)I wish we knew the exact content of the text.

There is something that nags at me about this part of the timeline/history of calls, texts. (being a cab owner myself). If the driver was at the AMPM at 4:43-which is 20 mins as quoted from the time of the original call, what was the cabbie doing for 15 minutes or so before the series of 5:05 am calls? IMO he would have called her immediately upon arrival at the AMPM, so again it is possible he didnt arrive at the AMPM until 5am when the reported calls take place.

Just some thoughts once again.

Adrienne where are you?

jmo

Not sure about sleuthing someone who is not a POI, but something in your post made a lightbulb go off. I could see a scenario where he arrived at 4:45 or so, and she was there. Might he have taken her phone and messed with the texts to appear that she was on her way but never arrived?

I know it's way out on a limb for my practical way of approaching a case, but if he did arrive that early what was he up to?
VIDEO SURVEILLANCE PLEASE!!!!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

It is true that at 4:23am she called the cab. This is the last person we KNOW she spoke with after texting her bf to say she was "coming over".

Thing is, she easily could have been in contact with someone else after calling the cab at 4:23 am, but we don't have her cellphone so we have no way of figuring this out (unless her phone provider is willing to give LE her call records/register).

On the other hand, she could have contacted no one besides the cabbie and her boyfriend that night - but we will never know unless LE gets her phone records and even then I doubt they would share such info publicly.

Wonder if LE was able to get warrant to obtain record of her calls in and out that night from her cellphone provider.

 

[MissDemeanor]

I think LE already has her cell phone records. In fact I think I read somewhere that reported same.

They also have the boyfriend's cell phone, from reports I have seen.

I just don't think they are necessarily sharing all this info with the public.

 

[goblinsolo]

Just how intoxicated was Adrienne that night?

I wonder if the roommates would have let her go driving to her boyfriend's if she was so wasted they thought she could have gotten a DUI or worse.

I thought most kids these days tried to look out for each other and encouraged each other not to drive while drinking.

If she was truly intoxicated enough for the police to think she might have wandered off into the lake, why did the roomies let her drive at all?

But then again....maybe they didn't. Maybe someone else WAS driving her car.

Sorry I am not on board with the kidnapping theory. I guess I don't watch enough TV.

LOL!

sowwwwyyyyy!!

howabout high on mollys. or snortn la coka. i wouldn't put that outta the stratosphere of possibilities. how about the notion that they BOTH (guy friend and her,) were drinking that night, and both were driving. AND she crashed her car (or the mysterious 2nd passenger)! well, thats a good example of the gen taking care of themselves, and her circle of friends not saying a peep bout party? thats how they look out for each other.

my kidnap theory was the furthest strech of thinking and craziness, and its absurd. but, its out thar as a theory regardless!

the roommate in her first interview seems to alude and talk in depth about how a salinas came home from accident, didnt she? so it seems like someone (roommate!) talked w salinas AFTER accident. wouldnt anyone in sound mind say, HEY TIME FOR U TO CHILL BABY BABY and get in yr bed and lets deal w life tmrw?

first thing i know when most ladies git into a wreck, or trouble, is they call their dad (if they are close to them.) back up into a car? dad on autodial. cop pulls you over? dad, what do i do! accident? DAD DAD please help.

her dad was close to her, from reports. she didn't contact him. what was she up to, hiding?

AND THE WHEELS SPIN!