AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #2

[2Hip2BSquare]

Good morning.

No news. Nothing. Nada. Nilch. Nyet. :frown:

Yeah Sand Sage no new news that I can see has been released, but that lead you gave me on DR George was priceless. Thank You!

Praying for AS.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Bogey's Bar. In the article you posted 2 Hip. <3

CIRCLE K? Maybe WENT to Circle K and Taxi went to AM/PM?!

Yes. Maybe this.

Or maybe the reporter misconstrued that an AMPM surveillance camera across the way from the Circle K got the cab on video waiting?

Argh the never ending am pm/circle k conundrum!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Wonder why LE hasn't searched other lakes in the area like around the apartment complexes off of baseline near DR George apartment and work... ?

Just to see? Argh!

 

[margarita25]

(for those believing there might be a connection between Douglas Ray George and AS disappearance, I found more info on George)

More info on Douglas Ray George:

Report says DRG and Begay Dated for 1 year.

He's 27 and works at local Tempe bar called Bogey's Bar(thanks SandSage!). His coworkers say they always thought there was something "Off" about him.

George has two prior charges in Oklahoma:

- 2011 - operating a vehicle w/ out a license.

- sept 2012 - Negligence (not specified)

On June 4th 2013, Annovedwin told the officers that George slammed her head into the car door at a Circle K after a Circle K employee called police and reported George "beating" Annovedwin.

George isn't saying much.

PIO officer says Annovedwin is a victim of domestic violence.

http://www.kpho.com/story/22600673/suspect-in-tempe-homicide-held-on-700000-bond

(in relation to Adrienne Salinas case, someone said she disappeared at the AMPM which threw off my mapping, but I now think according to most reports it was the Circle K. Makes sense also as AS family raised funds for her reward at the Circle K. I'm worried about this. Being the Same circle K George got his domestic battery/assault charge at just 2 weeks earlier. I will post this to her thread.)

"Two blocks from her home, Adrienne’s car ran up on a curb, flattening two of her tires. She then walked back to her apartment. At 5:05 that morning, Adrienne used her cellphone to call a taxi and asked the driver to meet her at a nearby Circle K convenience store."

http://kidnappingmurderandmayhem.blogspot.com/2013/06/help-find-adrienne-salinas.html?m=1

Hmmmmmmmm...

 

[goblinsolo]

so, its the circle k now, that some media are reporting she went to? not ampm? that, doesn't make much sense that she would cross street to the circle k across university.

conflicting media reports, again.

media had her home after accident, vs not home after accident, that was confusing enough.

heres' report, its ampm. so, which is it? i think, and im gonna ASSUME, that it was the ampm.

http://www.kpho.com/story/22627002/missing-tempe-teen-called-cab-before-she-disappeared

 

[goblinsolo]

from her apt, to the ampm, seems to be the missing link. i am not seeing many circle k references in media, aside from blog/tumblrs that are re-written and most likely repeating information incorrectly. which, is happening a lot amoungst the online community.

the flyer even, speaking towards a salinas missing was incorrect in its info.

so,, the people at the party reportedly still wanted to be interviewed by police as people of interest, and perhaps this is where the case seems to be treading water, and could have a break.

whos' to know what happened in those wee hrs of morning/dawn.
a salinas, and ...?

 

[MissDemeanor]

I’ve been following this WS forum for a while now (including the 40 some pages from the 1st forum). My interest in this story stems from the fact that AS’s cousin is in my cohort at school. Here is what I am thinking based on the information that the media has reported:

If we go back to the beginning of the events the only information we have is that AS and her boyfriend- with whom she’s been in an on-off relationship since 5th grade- were in an argument, left a party headed to boyfriend’s house, left boyfriend’s house to bring AS back home, and then AS jumped out of the car they were travelling in blocks away from her residence..

We also know based on social media that AS identified herself as ‘single.’ I don’t recall the poster but it was mentioned that a recent comment made by AS said something along the lines of ‘tell your new girlfriend you belong to someone else.’ If you take a look at her instagram captions like “#embracethepast,” and “let me know that you’re mine” stand out. IMO this suggests the climate in the couples relationship. Considering Erik Erikson’s stages of development, these young adults would be approaching a stage in their lives that they start considering life partners for a future family. I think that AS wanted her boyfriend to fill this position, but that the feelings weren’t mutual.

This supposition helps me imagine AS’s last moments before her disappearance.

My Theory:
I assume the party the couple started arguing at was at AS’s house, because while it is possible they were at another I find it unlikely that someone would travel to a party when they could have just stayed home to attend their own party. So, AS and her boyfriend are at her house and something triggered an argument.. could it have been that one of the 40 people who attended were unwelcome by AS or made her upset- triggered a past memory or grudge? Perhaps the “new girlfriend” that was mentioned on a social media comment showed up? I think that it’s likely that a person who made AS (or her boyfriend) uncomfortable showed up and that’s why the couple left- instead of making a scene and asking someone to leave the two just left. IMO they continued to argue about their relationship and AS probably realized that her boyfriend didn’t have the same feelings for her as she did for him- she wants to get away from him now: asks to be taken back home and eventually cant stand to be next to him so bails out of the car once she feels close enough to walk home safely. I really feel like this is the reason AS jumped out of the car. It would take a lot IMO for someone to do that instead of just waiting a few more minutes to arrive at home. To me she could have either been really afraid or really angry. If she was afraid I think she would have told someone and would have never decided to go back to him later in the night. That leaves anger (I know that I’ve been mad enough at my boyfriend to jump out of a car to get the heck away from him, although I haven’t actually done it).
Perhaps once AS makes it back to her apartment, she realized that the person who set her off in the first place is still there; she doesn’t want to be around this so opts to go back to BFs (which makes sense to me if she indeed does see him as the person she would like to spend her life with). She tries to drive herself, but the accident comes into play (and now lets assume that she was the one driving, she'd been drinking-as reported by media but "not DRUNK"- as reported by roomies, and was somehow able to maneuver the car to the back roads it was found- perhaps the tires had a slow leak and didn’t actually “pop”), so she finds herself back at her apartment. The accident, IMO, explains the eleven calls to her boyfriend, and the previous heated arguments suggest to me that her boyfriend was ‘done’ for the night and didn’t answer/see her calls. So, AS still uncomfortable in her apartment, calls a cab. This is where things get unclear to me….. why the cabbie took so long.. why the calls made from her phone were exchanged the way they were (1 minute increments).. why her phone went to voicemail right after the cabbie claims to have spoke with someone.
Considering that the cabbie and boyfriend have both been identified by LE as not being POI, my attention turns to the other people who were around her that night (especially since it has been reported that not all of the party-goers have even been identified, and that LE was going to re-interview the people there).
I’m thinking AS noticed the missed calls from the cab driver while still at her apartment (she was probably sitting outside- perhaps to avoid someone inside- since her roommates claim to have not noticed her). At this time of the morning, parties are usually dying off- so I think it’s likely that people were leaving and someone offered to give her a ride to AMPM, and she calls the cab driver back saying she’ll be there in just a minute. Whether she turned her phone off herself or the person driving her took it and shut it off or it ironically died, I don’t know. But- to me the facts (aka shotty media reports) are pointing to one of the party-goers. As mentioned before, it's less likely that she was picked up off the street by someone and it went unnoticed. Anybody else thinking the same or notice holes in my theory??

Hi and welcome! I'm new too and really can relate to your thoughts here regarding the relationship between Adrienne and her boyfriend. I think this is very relevant to this case. When I first posted here I felt she might have been so disturbed over it ( I too have scoured her Instagram) that she might have actually taken off for Rocky Point. Just to get away or just go back to the last place where she was really happy.

I do think it is possible, even if its a long stretch, that Adrienne is somewhere alive and well and hiding.

It's staggering how many young people are suffering from depression these days.

'Not My Kid' has some alarming statistics on this.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Yes. Maybe this.

Or maybe the reporter misconstrued that an AMPM surveillance camera across the way from the Circle K got the cab on video waiting?

Argh the never ending am pm/circle k conundrum!

I've always wondered if the Circle K was a factor. Are you saying this was the same Circle K where George was reported to have abused Annovedwin? That's an alarming discovery if this is the case.

 

[MissDemeanor]

So many possibilities. So little information. So frustrating.
Sigggggghhhhhhhh!!!

 

[MissDemeanor]

Unreal, and pretty awful, how quickly this case has gone out of the news.
When this happens, if LE is not talking, it falls on the family to get as much media as possible.

Maybe they should contact Marc Klass, of Klaas Kids. His group helps families with missing members of all ages. He also can give support and a lot of tips on what they can be doing.

Cluciano, in your experience with cases involving very young people disappearing, what is the percentage of those who turn up okay somewhere else vs those who are never found vs those whose bodies are later found?

Do you know?

 

[cluciano63]

Cluciano, in your experience with cases involving very young people disappearing, what is the percentage of those who turn up okay somewhere else vs those who are never found vs those whose bodies are later found?

Do you know?

Not really percenatge-wise. But I can't think of too many who disappeared in such a manner as Adrienne and later turned up okay. In several of the cases which are similar in some ways...several have never turned up. Katelyn was finally found, deceased. Holly, Lauren, Kortne, Rachel and too many others remain missing.

 

[missgulfsouth]

Do any of you other long time Websleuthers wonder why we even bother spinning our wheels on some cases? We don't even know basic facts in this case, so where does one begin? It seems from the get-go there has been nothing but misinformation, if not outright deception. What, exactly, is LE trying to accomplish by releasing wrong information, or not releasing any information at all? Do they not want the public's help anymore? Sometimes I feel like we are here for sheer entertainment, rather than accomplishing anything of real value. Is it just me?

 

[goblinsolo]

Do any of you other long time Websleuthers wonder why we even bother spinning our wheels on some cases? We don't even know basic facts in this case, so where does one begin? It seems from the get-go there has been nothing but misinformation, if not outright deception. What, exactly, is LE trying to accomplish by releasing wrong information, or not releasing any information at all? Do they not want the public's help anymore? Sometimes I feel like we are here for sheer entertainment, rather than accomplishing anything of real value. Is it just me?

and, when i hear about my friends in the proximity to this incident who were not made to feel very needed at 5-6am last sat. when 30 deputies pretty much harassed their way into their homes/apts.. just to mark their home off a map, basically. or, hope to find them with marijuana and use it as an excuse to home invade. thats the truth. you should hear the rumours of people in the neighborhood after this incident. as ridiculous as a salinas being used as a f'alse flag' kinda made up incident to bust people. which is insanity, as a theory, but i heard it!

i see no reason to be self-involved to the point of hittin' the streets like ive done a few times anymore, IF the police and media don't release info that could ACTUALLY help the public make reasonable observations or help.

*****AND, IF the group(s) involved that i suspect are involved, AND/or the police haven't said it and should if they even are aware of it 1%, well they are actually making it very very unsafe for us to comment even on said incident. im talking, about things that dont involve a random perp/stranger and point more towards groups i wont put in writing/type online.

i think the cops have inside info (as they should,_ AND had ample reasons to do better police work in that first 48 hrs, and they dropped the ball.

locally, i dont think there is either an effort nor desire for people WHO COULD HELP to want to. we feel unwanted, and at worst, under fire, to help or stick our neck out. imo

 

[Seajay]

I've been seeing a pattern lately with the newer cases of MP. LE isn't sharing much of anything and within a week or two, all information is stopped. And the case dies down. Search parties aren't being formed, flyers aren't being vigorously handed out, the news media isn't interested in running the story any longer, and LE isn't saying anything. These cases are dying out, and it seems the only one trying to keep them alive is us. And I don't understand it.

 

[Tonto]

A bit morbid, but what day does trash run in that area? Any locals?

 

[cluciano63]

I've been seeing a pattern lately with the newer cases of MP. LE isn't sharing much of anything and within a week or two, all information is stopped. And the case dies down. Search parties aren't being formed, flyers aren't being vigorously handed out, the news media isn't interested in running the story any longer, and LE isn't saying anything. These cases are dying out, and it seems the only one trying to keep them alive is us. And I don't understand it.

I don't get it. If they are not solving these cases, why aren't they asking the public for help? I think LE waits far too long to release details in MP cases, if they ever do. Maybe it is just the natural secrecy of LE but it does not serve the public well in these cases.

 

[abcxyz]

This morning I messaged my friend (AS's cousin) and shared the link to this forum with her. I mentioned Klaas' Kids and she said she would share the info I gave her with her family. She also told me, "my mom said my uncle might be on good morning America next," so it's great to know that they havent given up hope on getting AS's story & face out there and are willing to explore their options.

 

[SandSage]

Latest: http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/2...-later-still-no-leads-in-womans-disappearance

Nothing we don't know already but at least they are getting air time again. *le sigh* <3

 

[Port80]

KPHO in Phoenix posted this to their FB page today, so the media attention is still there. Over 1,500 shares since it was posted this afternoon. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=682411371784270

 

[SandSage]

KPHO in Phoenix posted this to their FB page today, so the media attention is still there. Over 1,500 shares since it was posted this afternoon. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=682411371784270

Excellent. Thank you!