AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #2

[missgulfsouth]

It's the same thing over in the Jessica Heeringa case. No searches. They don't seem to want the public's help. I've never seen anything like it. In this case, we don't even know which store she was headed to. Maybe LE knows, but how does it help Adrienne if the public isn't allowed to know basic details? It makes a HUGE difference if she was headed to the circle K instead of the long-reported AM/PM....different potential witnesses, for instance! There are so many of these cases going unsolved.

 

[Public_Hysteria]

It's the same thing over in the Jessica Heeringa case. No searches. They don't seem to want the public's help. I've never seen anything like it. In this case, we don't even know which store she was headed to. Maybe LE knows, but how does it help Adrienne if the public isn't allowed to know basic details? It makes a HUGE difference if she was headed to the circle K instead of the long-reported AM/PM....different potential witnesses, for instance! There are so many of these cases going unsolved.

And I would think that if LE were to release more information (assuming that they DO have more information), or even if they were to clear up all the misinformation and put out a statement with the facts only, it might help find her. The public can't help if they don't know HOW they can help, or even what they should be looking for. It's almost like they don't want these cases to be solved. I can only hope that there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than we are aware, but if so, then why aren't more of these cases being solved?

Considering the area, and the possible group involvement that has been hinted about - could this be a reason not many people want to help? They don't want to get mixed up in something?

 

[SandSage]

And I would think that if LE were to release more information (assuming that they DO have more information), or even if they were to clear up all the misinformation and put out a statement with the facts only, it might help find her. The public can't help if they don't know HOW they can help, or even what they should be looking for. It's almost like they don't want these cases to be solved. I can only hope that there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than we are aware, but if so, then why aren't more of these cases being solved?

Considering the area, and the possible group involvement that has been hinted about - could this be a reason not many people want to help? They don't want to get mixed up in something?

Because of the information provided, even though they have not been named P's OI, EVERYONE is pointing fingers at the bf and cabbie and calling it done. No one will go any further than that (speaking of the general public, of course) BECAUSE of the way the information has been shared. Everyone is focusing on two individuals and letting it go (probably assuming one or the other will eventually cave or be caught). We need FACTS and we need MORE OF THEM.

ETA: I think it's safe to say I've reached that "stage of loss": Pissed off.

 

[SandSage]

Again, reporter states "cell phone was found". Is this a FACT, that it was physically found or is this just lazy journalism - same story, a couple of revisions, post? I went ahead and asked WHERE in comments. Maybe someone will reply if we missed that somewhere (which I cannot believe).

http://www.azfamily.com/news/10K-reward-offered-in-case-of-missing-Tempe-woman-214412631.html

 

[cluciano63]

Again, reporter states "cell phone was found". Is this a FACT, that it was physically found or is this just lazy journalism - same story, a couple of revisions, post? I went ahead and asked WHERE in comments. Maybe someone will reply if we missed that somewhere (which I cannot believe).

http://www.azfamily.com/news/10K-reward-offered-in-case-of-missing-Tempe-woman-214412631.html

This was the same source that printed this initially, I believe.

 

[SandSage]

This was the same source that printed this initially, I believe.

Yup. :banghead:

 

[SandSage]

A bit morbid, but what day does trash run in that area? Any locals?

It appears Monday is Garbage. Thursday is recycle. :-/

https://www.tempe.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=213

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Most recent article as of 9 hrs ago

http://www.kpho.com/story/22676371/tempe-teen-still-missing-week-and-a-half-later

Her family fears for the worst, it states.

Prayers and Hope for AS.

"Pooley said they've identified most of the partygoers that night, but don't have much to go on.

Pooley said her phone was on around 5 the next morning. They're hoping someone knows what happened to Salinas, and will speak up. There is a $6,000 reward for any information on Salinas' disappearance."

 

[MissDemeanor]

What are these groups that no one wants to speak about and why are they a secret?

 

[WideOpen]

What are these groups that no one wants to speak about and why are they a secret?

I am out of the loop on the secret groups as well.

I'm still in the middle of a busy weekend and mostly away from Adrienne's case, though she has not left my free thoughts for a minute.

I come full circle and land at Occams Razor. "when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better."

There is no verification to establish that there is a serial rapist or abductor in Tempe.

Who was the last person to see Adrienne?
What is the motive?

Who had the motive, means, and opportunity?

jmo

 

[MissDemeanor]

I am out of the loop on the secret groups as well.

I'm still in the middle of a busy weekend and mostly away from Adrienne's case, though she has not left my free thoughts for a minute.

I come full circle and land at Occams Razor. "when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better."

There is no verification to establish that there is a serial rapist or abductor in Tempe.

Who was the last person to see Adrienne?
What is the motive?

Who had the motive, means, and opportunity?

jmo

I'm staying at a resort this weekend. Been here the last couple of days and still I can't get this case off my mind. So I know just how you are feeling.

Statistically, most victims of violent crimes knew or were related to the perpetrator. In Arizona that figure is at around 65%. I'm with you on all paths leading to the same destination.

At this point, if LE doesn't have any new info, after searching the lake and also doing a house to house search of homes nearby, what else can they do?

I don't want this case to go cold.

 

[hayaletcatcher]

Where are you Adrienne?

 

[MissDemeanor]

I did some checking. Tempe isn't considered that safe, in spite of what many seem to think. I found this to be very interesting.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/az/tempe/crime/

They state that Tempe is only as safe as 4% of all cities in the country.

 

[WideOpen]

I did some checking. Tempe isn't considered that safe, in spite of what many seem to think. I found this to be very interesting.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/az/tempe/crime/

They state that Tempe is only as safe as 4% of all cities in the country.

Those are not very good stats, gee. Cool site btw, my city is not as safe as I thought. 47%

O/T
When I was quite a bit younger BF and I went traveling and living on the road. We planned on eventually landing in Phoenix. We spent a couple days there and I could not find the backbone to melt into that pot. I was scared of the huge, diverse population. We stayed in Tempe for the most part during that visit and headed out to Tuscon, where he had friends. That didn't last either.

Back to the party; 40?
That is a large group of party goers and it's likely possible an opportunistic bad guy was attending. Friends of friends of friends. I hope LE gets to interview every last person in attendance.

jmo

 

[missgulfsouth]

I am out of the loop on the secret groups as well.

I'm still in the middle of a busy weekend and mostly away from Adrienne's case, though she has not left my free thoughts for a minute.

I come full circle and land at Occams Razor. "when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better."

There is no verification to establish that there is a serial rapist or abductor in Tempe.

Who was the last person to see Adrienne?
What is the motive?

Who had the motive, means, and opportunity?

jmo

You are right on. Motive, means and opportunity.

I think "those who shall remain unnamed" are perhaps Mexican gangs. There are so many.....
Evidently, people don't want to cross them.
We need to take back our streets, our cities, and our nation.

 

[cluciano63]

You are right on. Motive, means and opportunity.

I think "those who shall remain unnamed" are perhaps Mexican gangs. There are so many.....
Evidently, people don't want to cross them.
We need to take back our streets, our cities, and our nation.

But it seems that in most cases, the violence is geared toward other gangs or each other. I know there are exceptions, but the average person is not going to become a gang victim in the US very often.

 

[missgulfsouth]

But it seems that in most cases, the violence is geared toward other gangs or each other. I know there are exceptions, but the average person is not going to become a gang victim in the US very often.

No, I agree with you 100%.

But I think there are certain WS members who believe that a nefarious group may have had a hand in this, and that people are afraid to come forward with information. I disagree. I think it was someone who saw an opportunity and took it. Not a group. Gang violence is against rivals, unless it's an initiation. It tends to be gun violence, not random abductions.

 

[Knox]

But it seems that in most cases, the violence is geared toward other gangs or each other. I know there are exceptions, but the average person is not going to become a gang victim in the US very often.

They poison our streets with drugs, violence, and all manner of crime.
Some 33,000 violent street gangs, motorcycle gangs, and prison gangs with about 1.4 million members are criminally active in the U.S. today. Many are sophisticated and well organized; all use violence to control neighborhoods and boost their illegal money-making activities, which include robbery, drug and gun trafficking, fraud, extortion, and prostitution rings. According to the 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment report, gangs are responsible for an average of 48 percent of violent crime in most jurisdictions, and up to 90 percent in others. We’re redoubling our efforts to disrupt and dismantle gangs through intelligence-driven investigations and new initiatives and partnerships.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/gangs

Hi Clu, not exactly true. While gangs do fight with each other, innocent people are caught in the cross-fire all the time. As well as, targeted specifically.

 

[MissDemeanor]

But it seems that in most cases, the violence is geared toward other gangs or each other. I know there are exceptions, but the average person is not going to become a gang victim in the US very often.

I agree Cluciano! I was reading some interesting reports comparing Rocky Point and Phoenix safety. Many people state they feel Phoenix is far more dangerous than Rocky Point. I actually feel safer in RP than I do in 'the avenues' in West Phoenix'.

But I wonder....just how safe is it ANYWHERE for a beautiful young woman to go wandering around alone at 4 and 5 in the morning, alone.

 

[MissDemeanor]

No, I agree with you 100%.

But I think there are certain WS members who believe that a nefarious group may have had a hand in this, and that people are afraid to come forward with information. I disagree. I think it was someone who saw an opportunity and took it. Not a group. Gang violence is against rivals, unless it's an initiation. It tends to be gun violence, not random abductions.

I agree Miss Gulf! But what I do worry very much about is 'sex slavery trafficking' or whatever the correct term for it is. That would explain the complete disappearance of so many young women.