AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #2

[abcxyz]

1) I've checked Vine, Twitter (Lots of Adrienne Salinas's there), Tumblr - so difficult because she could be using a variety of usernames (I do). Doesn't mean I'm not still tirelessly snooping.
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Just located a myspace page for AS, although I doubt there's been recent activity. (I barely even recognize myspace so maybe I'm snooping poorly..)

https://myspace.com/adrienne_cs

(My internet explorer browser wouldnt load the page, but I could view it from FireFox)

 

[WideOpen]

http://www.kpho.com/story/22775373/boyfriend-of-missing-adrienne-salinas-speaks-out

Boyfriend of missing Adrienne Salinas speaks out
"It's the hardest thing ever," said Arteaga. "It's impossible not to think about her. It's impossible. There's never been a week where I haven't seen her. It's been three weeks now. It's scary."

"We're not going to give up until we find out what happened," said Arteaga. "It's important that we keep the word out there. We have to. We're her only – we're her voice."

 

[MissDemeanor]

I don't think it was the cabbie or the boyfriend. I also don't think she was just 'snatched up'.

I believe she got into a car willingly with someone she knew and trusted or had just met.

And that person had been at the party.

Someone knows. Someone will talk. I just hope it isn't too late.

 

[WideOpen]

Morning Wide! We were posting at the same time! ��

Well, it's not much, but at least it's something!!!

Morning.

I think it is a wealth of new info.

I appreciate seeing and hearing the boyfriend speak out. It sounds like the family and he are working together in the effort to find Adrienne. In the video you can hear his words and watch his expressions as he speaks.

I am leaning, at this time, with a guest at the party.

jmo

 

[MissDemeanor]

Re: The speculation about the cartel. When Isabel Celis disappeared from her Tucson home, her bedroom no less, that's the biz that was going around Tucson. That her father was into dealings with the cartel and that's why she was taken, as a message.

So, if someone important in Adrienne's life has the same kind of background, it's not all that impossible to go in that direction in your speculation. JMO.

Do you think LE would check the backgrounds of those closest to her to see if there was any connection?

I keep going back to how they searched the lake so soon after she went missing.
I just can't imagine them doing that unless they had good reason to believe she was there. But they didn't find her, thank God.

I'm still holding out hope she might have gone down to Rocky Point. Wishful thinking on my part but I can't stand to think of the alternative.

 

[cluciano63]

I feel like she was determined to go to BF's and was prevented from doing so. She did not just change her mind and take off.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

http://www.kpho.com/story/22775373/...art=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=9066280

Link to video of Adrienne's bf. poor kid seems so upset/lost.

 

[Seajay]

I feel like she was determined to go to BF's and was prevented from doing so. She did not just change her mind and take off.

IA, it seems like she was "crawling through hot stones" to get to him. She made several attempts. Somewhere along the line that got interrupted. By whom?

 

[missgulfsouth]

I don't think it was the cabbie or the boyfriend. I also don't think she was just 'snatched up'.

I believe she got into a car willingly with someone she knew and trusted or had just met.

And that person had been at the party.

Someone knows. Someone will talk. I just hope it isn't too late.

I think if that were the case, she would have called the cabbie and said, "Never mind, I got another ride...." esp considering she told him she would be there in a minute. I don't believe she shut her phone off, either, because I think she would want her BF to reach her after all the missed calls.

Someone said her phone was on the following Saturday.....did I misunderstand that?

 

[MissDemeanor]

I think if that were the case, she would have called the cabbie and said, "Never mind, I got another ride...." esp considering she told him she would be there in a minute. I don't believe she shut her phone off, either, because I think she would want her BF to reach her after all the missed calls.

Someone said her phone was on the following Saturday.....did I misunderstand that?

But the person she got into the car with, if she did, could have offered to take her to the AM/PM.

I haven't heard anything about her phone being on Saturday. Lots of inaccurate reports so it is possible some reported it but I don't think it's accurate. Same thing with a report that her phone had been found.

I think it's possible her battery just died on her cell. But then again....sheer speculation.

 

[goblinsolo]

against my better judgement im gonna go back out to the area from her apt street to ampm. im thinking, after 11pm at the earliest.

after july 4th, and thinking about the incredible amount of people who use my town as a playground for themselves, and thinking about the negative aspect of that, of those who come thru here who dont live here, but party and use this town, i start meandering into the concept of those who were around the area in question. i feel like the apts just to northwest of ampm, are something to be canvased, and i hope the cops did.

it doesn't have to be someone completely known to her, BUT that someone could of followed her either from party, or even scoped earlier when she walked from her house, makes sense to me, as well.

i've often thought about how my gf has been chased in her own apt at night, by people not known to her, and her son. when they would go running late at night (in mesa, az, in a very similiar neighborhood.)

and i think, did those people scope my gf out? did they lay in wait, perhaps weeks before and noted what time she is most vulnerable?

so, whether its someone who came into contact w her at the party, or a predator, i think is still very much possible.

my thoughts as to the group(s) that are involved that no one will really talk about, that potentially might of abducted or done her harm, is still very much a part of my thinking for this. but, IF that scenario is part of it, you damn well better hope that the police put just an inkling of a suggestion of that being the case if they actually expect the community to want to help.

cheers yall

 

[missgulfsouth]

against my better judgement im gonna go back out to the area from her apt street to ampm. im thinking, after 11pm at the earliest.

after july 4th, and thinking about the incredible amount of people who use my town as a playground for themselves, and thinking about the negative aspect of that, of those who come thru here who dont live here, but party and use this town, i start meandering into the concept of those who were around the area in question. i feel like the apts just to northwest of ampm, are something to be canvased, and i hope the cops did.

it doesn't have to be someone completely known to her, BUT that someone could of followed her either from party, or even scoped earlier when she walked from her house, makes sense to me, as well.

i've often thought about how my gf has been chased in her own apt at night, by people not known to her, and her son. when they would go running late at night (in mesa, az, in a very similiar neighborhood.)

and i think, did those people scope my gf out? did they lay in wait, perhaps weeks before and noted what time she is most vulnerable?

so, whether its someone who came into contact w her at the party, or a predator, i think is still very much possible.

my thoughts as to the group(s) that are involved that no one will really talk about, that potentially might of abducted or done her harm, is still very much a part of my thinking for this. but, IF that scenario is part of it, you damn well better hope that the police put just an inkling of a suggestion of that being the case if they actually expect the community to want to help.

cheers yall

Be safe out there! Wish I could go along and see for myself. I would try to go between 4:30 and 5:00 am to get a feel for the lighting and overall feeling at that time of morning. Let us know what you find....

 

[goblinsolo]

Be safe out there! Wish I could go along and see for myself. I would try to go between 4:30 and 5:00 am to get a feel for the lighting and overall feeling at that time of morning. Let us know what you find....

a few days ago, i was up at around 5am. its surprisingly a groggy, not-so scary time of the day, truly.

IF i didnt have to work so early i would try for the 5am! ya know, there is a bus-stop right on that street, the busstop is right next (to west on the sidewalk,) there. i wonder what time(s) the bus was running, that day a salinas went missing into the early dawn.


the apt complex, across from ampm i remember distinctly. like most crumby apts in tempe, i've had friends who lived there, and i can remember that one being pretty junky, both figuritively and literally.

also, as i noted prior, the place where they did a carwash, the harlows cafe, OPENS pretty darn early, and i wonder what kitchen staff might of been there prepping to open, possibly as early as 6am im GUESSING. as, i never cut tomatoes or washed a dish at that fine establishment

 

[abcxyz]

i wonder what time(s) the bus was running, that day a salinas went missing into the early dawn.

Great question!

I looked it up and print screened my findings (because I am completely challenged when it comes to dealing with anything related to public transportation), am I allowed to post that here? I figured itd be easier to follow pics than weblinks.

Simply, my answer is that 2 busses (from Route #62) which ran on Hardy were scheduled to stop at Hardy/University at 5:31 (southbound) and 5:35 (northbound) that morning. Heres the link: http://routes.valleymetro.org/timetables/transit_route/1068?type=2 Its very plausable there could have been someone waiting for the bus at the time AS was supposed to make her way to AMPM.

I also noticed that there was another nearby busstop running east/west, but the route that was listed on the webpage, "Route #VENU," had a bad link and I couldnt find any info about that route by searching the site. Here is the link that showed all of the bus routes/stops in her area: http://www.valleymetro.org/planning_your_trip/system_map Just zoom into her neighborhood to get a better look.

 

[GGE]

Snipped by me - exactly the same problem I'm having here! There are so many threads that interest me at the moment, it's almost impossible to keep on top of all of the details of each so I end up reading a lot and not being able to post a great deal. I love catching up with everyone's thoughts and theories though, so please keep it up.

I really hope we have some more news on Adrienne soon. I'm not convinced of any connection with other recent cases but it all sets a worrying background for this disappearance.

When I have lots of posts to catch up on but know that I probably want to reply to one in particular, I right-click on the post number in the upper right side of the post I'm reading and want to reply to, and choose "open link in new tab". That way the single post is waiting for me in a different tab and I can click the quote button and reply to it later, when I'm ready and if I still want to.

Here's a screenshot of what I'm talking about. Hope it helps!

 

[GGE]

Cluciano, in your experience with cases involving very young people disappearing, what is the percentage of those who turn up okay somewhere else vs those who are never found vs those whose bodies are later found?

Do you know?

I realize you didn't ask me but I"ll answer anyhow since one of my first posts on WS was regarding this subject. Here is what I said last year:

"This extremely comprehensive government report (which takes a minute to download/display) is well worth a read, IMHO. I found it disturbing of course, but educational.

This suggests the time span between Victim Last Seen and Murder is less than 24 hours in all but 3.6% of included cases in this study (116 cases were included I believe).

This study also notes that in 30% of cases, it occurs within the first 30 minutes after Abduction, and also states that the time between Victim Last Seen and Abduction is generally less than 30 minutes (statistically).

http://www.atg.wa.gov/uploadedFiles...)/Child_Abduction_Murder_Research/CMIIPDF.pdf

[T]his says that, statistically speaking (numbers in the report), bodies are found 1.5 - 12 miles from Victim Last Seen area most often. Second most often is More Than 12 Miles."

Hope that helps. The report is very much worth reading, but it's sort of like trying to explain to someone that human trafficking is real - they have to go into the conversation prepared to be willing to believe some bad things. Same with reading this report.

 

[WideOpen]

I really like Adreinne's father. From the interviews he gives me the impression that he is the pillar of strength in this family tragedy. I wish I could help provide them with answers and bring their baby home.

LE please keep the heat on the persons at that party. I believe someone knows something.

Praying for you Adrienne and praying for your family.

jmo

 

[GGE]

Has LE requested her social media records? Who she was in contact through Internet messaging? KIKing is so common these days for kids who don't know each other and you can't tell by their Internet profiles who they really are. There are all kinds of predators out there and I recently read the results of a noted psychiatrist who did a study of inmates who had been convicted of rape/murder. He concluded that with the information he had gathered in the study....he would be terrified to be a woman.

BBM - I thought KIK was a typo for LOL because all the letters are next to each other. What is KIKing? Thanks!

 

[missgulfsouth]

I realize you didn't ask me but I"ll answer anyhow since one of my first posts on WS was regarding this subject. Here is what I said last year:

"This extremely comprehensive government report (which takes a minute to download/display) is well worth a read, IMHO. I found it disturbing of course, but educational.

This suggests the time span between Victim Last Seen and Murder is less than 24 hours in all but 3.6% of included cases in this study (116 cases were included I believe).

This study also notes that in 30% of cases, it occurs within the first 30 minutes after Abduction, and also states that the time between Victim Last Seen and Abduction is generally less than 30 minutes (statistically).

http://www.atg.wa.gov/uploadedFiles...)/Child_Abduction_Murder_Research/CMIIPDF.pdf

[T]his says that, statistically speaking (numbers in the report), bodies are found 1.5 - 12 miles from Victim Last Seen area most often. Second most often is More Than 12 Miles."

Hope that helps. The report is very much worth reading, but it's sort of like trying to explain to someone that human trafficking is real - they have to go into the conversation prepared to be willing to believe some bad things. Same with reading this report.

This is EXTREMELY HELPFUL!!! Given these stats, it's even more upsetting to me that certain LE and families refuse to allow ground searches, and valuable weeks, and evidence, are lost. :banghead:

 

[MissDemeanor]

When I have lots of posts to catch up on but know that I probably want to reply to one in particular, I right-click on the post number in the upper right side of the post I'm reading and want to reply to, and choose "open link in new tab". That way the single post is waiting for me in a different tab and I can click the quote button and reply to it later, when I'm ready and if I still want to.

Here's a screenshot of what I'm talking about. Hope it helps!

Very helpful, GGE! Thanks so much!

I realize you didn't ask me but I"ll answer anyhow since one of my first posts on WS was regarding this subject. Here is what I said last year:

"This extremely comprehensive government report (which takes a minute to download/display) is well worth a read, IMHO. I found it disturbing of course, but educational.

This suggests the time span between Victim Last Seen and Murder is less than 24 hours in all but 3.6% of included cases in this study (116 cases were included I believe).

This study also notes that in 30% of cases, it occurs within the first 30 minutes after Abduction, and also states that the time between Victim Last Seen and Abduction is generally less than 30 minutes (statistically).

http://www.atg.wa.gov/uploadedFiles...)/Child_Abduction_Murder_Research/CMIIPDF.pdf

[T]his says that, statistically speaking (numbers in the report), bodies are found 1.5 - 12 miles from Victim Last Seen area most often. Second most often is More Than 12 Miles."

Hope that helps. The report is very much worth reading, but it's sort of like trying to explain to someone that human trafficking is real - they have to go into the conversation prepared to be willing to believe some bad things. Same with reading this report.

Thanks so much for replying to my question. These are just the kind of statistics I was looking for, even though like you said...it is enormously disturbing. To think that we have predators out there that are so bloodthirsty and quick to kill is horrifying. Also, the fact that most abducted victims are snatched up within 30 mins of "last seen" points to more than just opportunity, IMO. I'm thinking there is lots of stalking with these predators. Just so very sad that we live in such a sick society.

BBM - I thought KIK was a typo for LOL because all the letters are next to each other. What is KIKing? Thanks!

KIK is a messenger service for smartphones that the kids are all using. It's free and you can use it just like text messaging only you don't have to give out your number. Almost all the kids I know use it. Here's some wiki info on it to get you up to snuff. I have seen many kids on Instagram giving out their phone numbers to random strangers, even though they could just give out their user name. They seem to think if this person says they go to a high school or middle school somewhere that they are safe. Its scary. The parents need to be educated on this. Oh well, this is another topic I guess.
Kik Messenger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia