AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #2

[MissDemeanor]

SBM - snipped by me
ITA - apparently this doesn't mean "In The @$$" like I originally thought, but actually means "I totally agree"
:blushing: :scared:

Thanks darlin!!!! I wanted to ask about SBM again but didn't want to be any more annoying than I already am. hahaaa!

ITA ..... LOL! You are too funny girl!

 

[cluciano63]

I think if she was okay, she would have gone to the BF's, for help, comfort, aid in hiding, whatever. I can't imagine she has "secret" friends who could be hiding her, or her staying hidden on her own.

 

[goblinsolo]

Hey Goblin! What we need you to do now is go down to Rocky Point and scout it out for us!

well, i cant bike there and im not a fan of driving very far.

i would rather scuba the tempe lake than go to rocky point any time in the future. 6hrs away is san diego, and im a bit more partial to del mar and la jolla, sorry mexico.

i re-read my initial post on a salinas, in forum thread#1, page 14 i think? my gut feelings then, haven't changed.

how many days has it been, now? since she vanished? i've never followed a missing persons' case to such an extent, to be honest i've had to tone down my energy and thoughts for it as i reach a point of frustration.

i can only imagine that the father must be distraught beyond belief. i would hope to never feel as he does, he must be absolutely weathered from this ordeal.

i dont see a salinas doing something to the effect of dissapearing (out of her own efforts,) IF the father/daughter bond is as strong as we are led to believe. no daughter would wanna dissapear from the planet as a salinas has and put her family thru this, no matter how young or naive. thats my optimism, i guess, in all this

 

[MissDemeanor]

I think if she was okay, she would have gone to the BF's, for help, comfort, aid in hiding, whatever. I can't imagine she has "secret" friends who could be hiding her, or her staying hidden on her own.

I know. I know it's difficult to imagine. But she could have friends in lots of places. Friends from college. Friends from Ruby Tuesday's. Friends she grew up with. Friends in Mexico, where she had visited only recently, relatives she might turn to.

Even strangers she could have met who are helping her and not hurting her.

I don't think it's really any more far fetched than anything else.

And I like this theory better than any of the alternatives.

 

[MissDemeanor]

i dont see a salinas doing something to the effect of dissapearing (out of her own efforts,) IF the father/daughter bond is as strong as we are led to believe. no daughter would wanna dissapear from the planet as a salinas has and put her family thru this, no matter how young or naive. thats my optimism, i guess, in all this

There's the "fly in the ointment" so to speak.

But it could still be possible.

 

[cluciano63]

I know. I know it's difficult to imagine. But she could have friends in lots of places. Friends from college. Friends from Ruby Tuesday's. Friends she grew up with. Friends in Mexico, where she had visited only recently, relatives she might turn to.

Even strangers she could have met who are helping her and not hurting her.

I don't think it's really any more far fetched than anything else.

And I like this theory better than any of the alternatives.

But how did she go from being one minute away from meeting the cab to gone? I find it less than believable that not only did a friend pull up at that instant, but one who would take her,as is with none of her belongings, for weeks on end. Not to mention, her doggie...

 

[MissDemeanor]

But how did she go from being one minute away from meeting the cab to gone? I find it less than believable that not only did a friend pull up at that instant, but one who would take her,as is with none of her belongings, for weeks on end. Not to mention, her doggie...

But, Cluciano, maybe she didn't initially intend to be gone 'for weeks on end'. Maybe she just took off for a day or two until the 'heat' died down. But then this thing just mushroomed and got out of hand and she became more fearful.

 

[spangled]

O.k. I've been reading this thread for a long time and these are my thoughts.

1. Adrienne argued with her current/ex boyfriend, got upset and left in a dramatic way.

2. Once she got back to her apartment after the car incident with him she was expecting a call, a text, an I miss you

3. None of the above happened.

4. She decided to go back, either to have it out or make it up. Distressed, angry and volatile.

5. Drove her own car and stacked it

6. Drove back as far as possible and got the car off the main road

7. Her intention has not changed which was to get back to her boyfriend/ex

8. Went back to the apartment. Changed and ditched anything to do with driving so there's little chance of being connected to the car that night.

9. Called a cab. Left her money behind so that when she gets to the boyfriend/exes she has an excuse to speak to him and to be let it

10. Remembered her overnight bag as she was intending for him to let her in and stay.

I think two things. Adrienne bumped into someone awful on the way. Or she felt the rejection and chose her own path. I would swing towards the first.

As a side, if I'd had a public disagreement with my partner over an evening I wouldn't publicise the fact to my friends that I was heading straight back to him. I'd slip away and avoid the questions and the judgement.

Gut feelings only.

 

[MissDemeanor]

O.k. I've been reading this thread for a long time and these are my thoughts.

1. Adrienne argued with her current/ex boyfriend, got upset and left in a dramatic way.

2. Once she got back to her apartment after the car incident with him she was expecting a call, a text, an I miss you

3. None of the above happened.

4. She decided to go back, either to have it out or make it up. Distressed, angry and volatile.

5. Drove her own car and stacked it

6. Drove back as far as possible and got the car off the main road

7. Her intention has not changed which was to get back to her boyfriend/ex

8. Went back to the apartment. Changed and ditched anything to do with driving so there's little chance of being connected to the car that night.

9. Called a cab. Left her money behind so that when she gets to the boyfriend/exes she has an excuse to speak to him and to be let it

10. Remembered her overnight bag as she was intending for him to let her in and stay.

I think two things. Adrienne bumped into someone awful on the way. Or she felt the rejection and chose her own path. I would swing towards the first.

As a side, if I'd had a public disagreement with my partner over an evening I wouldn't publicise the fact to my friends that I was heading straight back to him. I'd slip away and avoid the questions and the judgement.

Gut feelings only.

Hi Spangled! I'm with you all the way up to:

9. Called a cab. Left her money behind so that when she gets to the boyfriend/exes she has an excuse to speak to him and to be let it

10. Remembered her overnight bag as she was intending for him to let her in and stay.


I can't see calling a cab and not having money to pay for it. What if the boyfriend wasn't home or wouldn't answer the door?

Also, she left her overnight bag behind.

I do so agree that if I had been in the same situation with the b/f, who it sounds like they fought a lot, I probably wouldn't want to advertise it either that I was going back over for more of the same.

I like the way you have organized your thoughts...thanks!

 

[prospektor]

So this leaves us with basically four options that I can think of:

1. She was walking to boyfriend's and somehow did fall into the lake.

Well, if she walks like she drives, that's a possibility.
Even if she's still on her "fugitive" trip, I doubt she'd hide from a passing police cruiser by diving into the lake and the adrenaline should keep her away from accidentally falling in. But a shiny surface might look appealing to a young woman.
It's possible. She might have realized that she left her money in the apartment and that maybe her bf wouldn't pay because he's mad at her, cabbie calls the cops, she gets busted for not paying and they might connect her to the accident earlier. Not good. Or bf pays, but if she wants to make it up to him, that wouldn't be a good start. So she decides to walk.
So why would she answer the cab call with "I'm there in a minute" when in fact she decided to walk? She called him. Then decides to walk. After some time, cabbie calls her. (Do we know if she really answered those calls or if she just let it ring and go to voicemail?) Cabbie calls her again a minute later. She realizes cabbie won't give up. She calls him back, to avoid any discussion she says she'll be there in a minute (some girls don't want to pee people off in direct conversation) and turns the phone off so he can't call her back anymore. Weak point: She could've told him she doesn't need a cab anymore, sorry. She could've turned the phone off without calling back.
Of course the phone could've died due to extensive use (battery) and that last call did it in. But if she didn't intend to turn it off, her message to the cabbie makes no sense as she had to expect that he keeps pestering her if she doesn't show up after the minute.

2. She got into a car with someone she knew and trusted. (Huge mistake!)

Quite possible. Maybe her boyfriend who drove down to see her or pick her up, if he read the text. Maybe someone who was at the party and either followed her or was leaving anyway and saw her walking. An acquaintance who was not there and just happens to drive by might be possible, too, but rather unlikely. Possible, still.

3. She was suddenly snatched up by a stranger/strangers.

Always a possibility. But just like with the random acquaintance, the window of opportunity is small, if she really was "just one minute" away from the AM/PM. Probably more than one person in this case. One gets out and grabs her, threatens her with a weapon, they get into the car and the driver ... does what a driver does.
If it's only one person, I doubt she would've gotten in. Being a hothead and getting out of a car/walk at night is one thing, willingly entering an unknown vehicle is another. Maybe she needed a little nudge with the fender, and then a good samaritan who gets out, puts her in the backseat and promises to drive her to the hospital. Weak point with that would be that she might scream and that it might leave evidence like drops of blood behind. That's two "mights", though, and it could've happened very quick, very clean and very silent. Like with Mickey Shunick.

4. She took off for parts unknown (Mexico perhaps) by herself or with someone she knew.

The most unlikely scenario, in my opinion, and therefore probably exactly what happened. I still don't buy into her leaving everything behind. I'm not talking unimportant things like ID's, cars etc., I'm talking clothes, shoes and her little doggie. Maybe even her bf.
But who knows?

It's probably this:
5. All of the above.

Or a combination. She decides to walk, some random stranger appears. Or someone she knows. Maybe even the cabbie, after he left the AM/PM. Yes, I know. I just refuse to rule him out yet. Actually, I only rule out myself. But then again, I might be schizophrenic or a sleepwalker.
All these unsolved cases are driving me nuts!

 

[goblinsolo]

there is no mention IF salinas has a passport. you can't just hop down to mexico thru the normal border spots... it would get checked (scanned?) at border UNLESS yr sneaking thru. or, at least to get to mexico, u need photo id or birth certificate, i think is policy.
which, she left her id(s) at home, correcto?

im sure the feds and police have scanned mexico border cams from the usa side in a rational time frame for a salinas going there, you would have to assume they would.

IF she didn't have photo ID / passport on her, how would she get thru to mexico otherwise?

is she an american citizen, btw? it needs to be asked, i think. not because of any stereotype or slight on mexican citzenry, but mainly because IF she is not of usa origins, she could dissapear into mexico pretty darn easy if its her country of origin.

inquiring minds, want to know

 

[MissDemeanor]

Well, if she walks like she drives, that's a possibility.
Even if she's still on her "fugitive" trip, I doubt she'd hide from a passing police cruiser by diving into the lake and the adrenaline should keep her away from accidentally falling in. But a shiny surface might look appealing to a young woman.
It's possible. She might have realized that she left her money in the apartment and that maybe her bf wouldn't pay because he's mad at her, cabbie calls the cops, she gets busted for not paying and they might connect her to the accident earlier. Not good. Or bf pays, but if she wants to make it up to him, that wouldn't be a good start. So she decides to walk.
So why would she answer the cab call with "I'm there in a minute" when in fact she decided to walk? She called him. Then decides to walk. After some time, cabbie calls her. (Do we know if she really answered those calls or if she just let it ring and go to voicemail?) Cabbie calls her again a minute later. She realizes cabbie won't give up. She calls him back, to avoid any discussion she says she'll be there in a minute (some girls don't want to pee people off in direct conversation) and turns the phone off so he can't call her back anymore. Weak point: She could've told him she doesn't need a cab anymore, sorry. She could've turned the phone off without calling back.
Of course the phone could've died due to extensive use (battery) and that last call did it in. But if she didn't intend to turn it off, her message to the cabbie makes no sense as she had to expect that he keeps pestering her if she doesn't show up after the minute.




Quite possible. Maybe her boyfriend who drove down to see her or pick her up, if he read the text. Maybe someone who was at the party and either followed her or was leaving anyway and saw her walking. An acquaintance who was not there and just happens to drive by might be possible, too, but rather unlikely. Possible, still.



Always a possibility. But just like with the random acquaintance, the window of opportunity is small, if she really was "just one minute" away from the AM/PM. Probably more than one person in this case. One gets out and grabs her, threatens her with a weapon, they get into the car and the driver ... does what a driver does.
If it's only one person, I doubt she would've gotten in. Being a hothead and getting out of a car/walk at night is one thing, willingly entering an unknown vehicle is another. Maybe she needed a little nudge with the fender, and then a good samaritan who gets out, puts her in the backseat and promises to drive her to the hospital. Weak point with that would be that she might scream and that it might leave evidence like drops of blood behind. That's two "mights", though, and it could've happened very quick, very clean and very silent. Like with Mickey Shunick.



The most unlikely scenario, in my opinion, and therefore probably exactly what happened. I still don't buy into her leaving everything behind. I'm not talking unimportant things like ID's, cars etc., I'm talking clothes, shoes and her little doggie. Maybe even her bf.
But who knows?

It's probably this:
5. All of the above.

Or a combination. She decides to walk, some random stranger appears. Or someone she knows. Maybe even the cabbie, after he left the AM/PM. Yes, I know. I just refuse to rule him out yet. Actually, I only rule out myself. But then again, I might be schizophrenic or a sleepwalker.
All these unsolved cases are driving me nuts!

hahaha!!! Case solved! You did it!

No seriously.....very good rebuttal to my suppositions.

Lots of thinking you put into that. I think if we just keep going we are likely to get this thing solved!

IMHO FWIW! HA!

 

[MissDemeanor]

there is no mention IF salinas has a passport. you can't just hop down to mexico thru the normal border spots... it would get checked (scanned?) at border UNLESS yr sneaking thru. or, at least to get to mexico, u need photo id or birth certificate, i think is policy.
which, she left her id(s) at home, correcto?

im sure the feds and police have scanned mexico border cams from the usa side in a rational time frame for a salinas going there, you would have to assume they would.

IF she didn't have photo ID / passport on her, how would she get thru to mexico otherwise?

is she an american citizen, btw? it needs to be asked, i think. not because of any stereotype or slight on mexican citzenry, but mainly because IF she is not of usa origins, she could dissapear into mexico pretty darn easy if its her country of origin.

inquiring minds, want to know

I asked Sgt Pooley about this very thing. The Passport. And he told me you don't have to have one. He said you can just walk across the border to get into Mexico.

We didn't talk about coming back, but I know you DO have to have a Passport or some kind of Photo ID to get back into the U.S. I have a passport so I'm not sure about the photo ID.

I think she must be an American Citizen. Born over here, maybe second or third generation. If she was an immigrant, with all the hullabaloo over immigrants these days (legal or illegal) I think we would already know it.

And yeah..she wouldn't have any problem getting around down there. Probably has friends down there too.

 

[azure]

And yeah..she wouldn't have any problem getting around down there. Probably has friends down there too.

I respectfully disagree with this statement. If she is a second or third generation American, she may not know anyone "down there" and may not even speak Spanish well. I simply don't think this is something we can take for granted.

My boyfriend is a first generation American (his mother is German), and he doesn't know a soul "over there" or speak a word of German.

 

[cluciano63]

It is not illegal to wreck your car and drive away, if you don't hit anyone else. I can maybe see her wanting to hide until her blood would be clean, if drunk, but to stay away for a month? Worry her parents frantic, abandon her dog, her job, the boyfriend she was so desperate to make up with?

 

[MissDemeanor]

I respectfully disagree with this statement. If she is a second or third generation American, she may not know anyone "down there" and may not even speak Spanish well. I simply don't think this is something we can take for granted.

My boyfriend is a first generation American (his mother is German), and he doesn't know a soul "over there" or speak a word of German.

Fine for you to disagree. Let's agree to disagree. Okay?

It's far different to have a mother that's German and not speak the German language than to have been born and raised as a Hispanic in Arizona. Since it is highly desirable to be bi-lingual the possibility of Adrienne not being very extremely fluent in both languages is very unlikely.

And the reason I said she may know people or have friends down there is that she was there only a few weeks ago. I don't know how many times she has been there but I know she loves it there.

Sorry if my comment offended you in some weird way!

 

[MissDemeanor]

It is not illegal to wreck your car and drive away, if you don't hit anyone else. I can maybe see her wanting to hide until her blood would be clean, if drunk, but to stay away for a month? Worry her parents frantic, abandon her dog, her job, the boyfriend she was so desperate to make up with?

Hmmm....that's true! And you made me think of something I hadn't thought of before. The front end damage they say she sustained. Do they know for sure she got that when she hit the median? Maybe she hit something else that night as well. Some other car somewhere. Something that went unreported but she knew about and was scared over it.

I mean, if she was as drunk or high as we have been led to believe...she could have run into more than one thing. Who knows? The 911 caller described her driving as "very erratic".

Yeah...I understand about the worrying of her parents, job, dog, etc. But, Cluciano, the hard cold facts are that the statistics on kids committing suicide and running away these days are staggering. I know it's difficult to buy into. Her family seems so wonderful and so caring.

But there was something very wrong in her life, IMO. Otherwise, she wouldn't have been acting so erratically. I don't think this was the first time either.

Just a hunch. Nothing to back it up other than what we have already heard.

 

[MissDemeanor]

I'm getting edgy. Gonna stop for the night! Everyone have a great evening.

Gonna have dinner and watch some LMN.

Peace...out!

 

[cluciano63]

Hmmm....that's true! And you made me think of something I hadn't thought of before. The front end damage they say she sustained. Do they know for sure she got that when she hit the median? Maybe she hit something else that night as well. Some other car somewhere. Something that went unreported but she knew about and was scared over it.

I mean, if she was as drunk or high as we have been led to believe...she could have run into more than one thing. Who knows? The 911 caller described her driving as "very erratic".

Yeah...I understand about the worrying of her parents, job, dog, etc. But, Cluciano, the hard cold facts are that the statistics on kids committing suicide and running away these days are staggering. I know it's difficult to buy into. Her family seems so wonderful and so caring.

But there was something very wrong in her life, IMO. Otherwise, she wouldn't have been acting so erratically. I don't think this was the first time either.


Just a hunch. Nothing to back it up other than what we have already heard.

I think if she was a suicide, she would have been found. It is not that easy to hide your own body. That is why I am leaning toward abduction.

I do think some young people might want to vanish for a while...and some do. But for the most part, I think the idea is more appealing than reality and they are too dependent on their lives and their stuff to stick it out for more than a few days.

 

[missgulfsouth]

She didn't leave of her own free will. She was obsessed with her BF. That much is clear from her behavior and the histrionics.

There are so many theories floating around here, and my opinion remains unchanged.
I feel the need to sit back now and wait this out while LE hones in on their POI.
In the meantime, I sure wish I could find a case here where actual progress is being made....WS is full of cases. Cold cases.

Goblin - San Diego sounds divine, friend!