AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #2

[balaney]

Was it verified that the bf drove his car when he was taking A back to his place? Did they take her car?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

LE would know if she called or texted anyone else to arrange a meeting, though.

But we know from Pooley they didn't find her phone. The only way we know she called the cab and bf is from their phone records.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Kiwanis lake has surveillance cams everywhere and 4-5 security cars that sccout the area on patrol all night, and theres always at least a couple people around after it closes.....BUT the canal 30 seconds due west of it is a perfect place to look. It just feels like after all this time andd in this day/age of tech the LE investigation had to have dropped the ball somewhere. i am so heartbroken by this story and Adrienne has been in my thoughts/prayers every day. This is just saddening beyond conveyance.

Yup that canal and GILA isnt that far west either.

I agree - it seems like LE kept searching the same area for too long. They should have expanded the search area out a little further IMHO. ESP with FBI there to expedite/aid the SAR process.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

What if when the bf called roomie to pick up A the roomie used As car and accidently hit A?
To cover up she wrecks the car by hitting the median and slips back in to the party to leave clothing items making it look like A was there. Then she could slip out with A's phone and make it look like she is on her way to the Bf's and calls the cab. When she knows the cab is almost there she turns off the phone ditches it and goes back to the apt. Has her whereabouts been verified during the crucial hours?

This is possible and it's crossed my mind more than once....

The female roommate not remembering AS coming back to the apt after the wreck only 20 minutes after she remembered AS left is BS on that roomies part. That's where her story doesn't add up.

And front end damage? I can see tires being screwed up from hitting a curb (not TWO FRONT) but front end damage? That would mean the curb would have to be high enough to clear the bumper when the car hit it.

The roomie also could of had time to clean off the front/inside of the car to cover things up.

So yes, knowing if the roomie borrowed AS car to pick her up is important. I think if she would have hit AS on Mill when picking her up it would have been seen by many witnesses.

There are cases where ppl will be victims of hit and runs and they're bodies will be disposed of bc the driver fears legal repercussions (vehicular homicide of they were drinking when they hit victim, etc)

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Was it verified that the bf drove his car when he was taking A back to his place? Did they take her car?

The bf used his own car.

 

[cluciano63]

I still believe LE would have been able to obtain her phone logs by now. Even her parents may have been able to do so, depending upon who paid the bill.

 

[kodi]

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Someone could have been outside the party, whether a party goer, a noisy neighbor, or a random individual. Possibly asking to smoke with her which if a stranger that would seem weird. I think maybe she at least was familiar with the individual. They took her and being as vulnerable as she was in some way troubled her.

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May have been what everyone else has speculated but just thought I'd give my opinion.

JMO.

RSBM and BBM

I have been following this case silently, but have to come out of the shadows to agree with AmorAlways. This has been the scenario I've been leaning towards. I also feel she had every intention to meet the cab driver at AM/PM and felt safe up until the phone call from the driver. I can't help but think of the Whitney Heichel case and how the perpetrator was not only someone she knew, but a neighbor and someone who attended the same church as her. I feel AS was with someone she knew to some degree and didn't feel threatened up until the very last minute; much like sweet Whitney.

I believe she knew she wouldn't be at the AM/PM prior to 5ish, which would explain why the pick up was approximately 20 minutes later than when the cab company said they could be there.


One thing I have been struggling with is the clothing she was wearing when she vanished; was she wearing the black shirt with polka dots at the party? Or was that what she changed into when she returned to her apartment, unbeknownst to anyone else there?

 

[MissDemeanor]

But we know from Pooley they didn't find her phone. The only way we know she called the cab and bf is from their phone records.

LE has all her phone records. They don't need her phone to know who she called, who called her, who texted her or who she texted.

They have all this from her carrier.

Is that what you meant?

 

[MissDemeanor]

I still believe LE would have been able to obtain her phone logs by now. Even her parents may have been able to do so, depending upon who paid the bill.

They do. This was confirmed in convo with Pooley.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

RSBM and BBM

I have been following this case silently, but have to come out of the shadows to agree with AmorAlways. This has been the scenario I've been leaning towards. I also feel she had every intention to meet the cab driver at AM/PM and felt safe up until the phone call from the driver. I can't help but think of the Whitney Heichel case and how the perpetrator was not only someone she knew, but a neighbor and someone who attended the same church as her. I feel AS was with someone she knew to some degree and didn't feel threatened up until the very last minute; much like sweet Whitney.

I believe she knew she wouldn't be at the AM/PM prior to 5ish, which would explain why the pick up was approximately 20 minutes later than when the cab company said they could be there.


One thing I have been struggling with is the clothing she was wearing when she vanished; was she wearing the black shirt with polka dots at the party? Or was that what she changed into when she returned to her apartment, unbeknownst to anyone else there?

Yeah I agree with AmorAlways on many aspects, especially the idea we had earlier in the thread that given her marijuana use, she could have went back to the apartment to not only change into her clothes for the next day, but also to smoke some pot and chill out for a minute. She also has a dog that could have needed a walk. IMHO

Her black polka dotted blouse had been worn earlier in the night at the party and during the wreck. She changed out of the black polka dotted blouse after the wreck and the blouse was at the apartment where LE found it along with her keys, overnight bag, and wallet (according to Miss Demeanors Conversation with Pooley).

ATasteofHoney brought up the brilliant idea that Adrienne probably went home to change for the next day as it was nearing sun up and well, new day new clothes. Simple as that. No need for the overnight bag anymore after changing her clothes.

Miss Demeanor brought up the brilliant idea that maybe she changed into her work clothes if she was scheduled to work later that afternoon/day.


Lots of good sleuthing recently.

 

[MissDemeanor]

RSBM and BBM

I have been following this case silently, but have to come out of the shadows to agree with AmorAlways. This has been the scenario I've been leaning towards. I also feel she had every intention to meet the cab driver at AM/PM and felt safe up until the phone call from the driver. I can't help but think of the Whitney Heichel case and how the perpetrator was not only someone she knew, but a neighbor and someone who attended the same church as her. I feel AS was with someone she knew to some degree and didn't feel threatened up until the very last minute; much like sweet Whitney.

I believe she knew she wouldn't be at the AM/PM prior to 5ish, which would explain why the pick up was approximately 20 minutes later than when the cab company said they could be there.


One thing I have been struggling with is the clothing she was wearing when she vanished; was she wearing the black shirt with polka dots at the party? Or was that what she changed into when she returned to her apartment, unbeknownst to anyone else there?

When Adrienne was last seen at approximately 3:30 am, and she was leaving the party and told her roommates she was going back to her boyfriend's house (this is before the wreck) she was wearing a sheer white long sleeved blouse with black polka dots and a black bra under and black skinny jeans.

There were at least two photos of her taken that night that I have seen. I'm sure there were probably more that have not been released to the public or even to LE.

But it has been confirmed by LE that is what she was wearing when she left at 3:30 am and last seen. They do know she changed out of that and into something else. If they know what she changed into we haven't been made aware of that just yet.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Are we going to compile questions for Miss Demeanor to ask Pooley when she speaks with him next?????? Maybe send the questions to your inbox Misdemeanor? Or would you like us post the questions here?

 

[MissDemeanor]

Yeah I agree with AmorAlways on many aspects, especially the idea we had earlier in the thread that given her marijuana use, she could have went back to the apartment to not only change into her clothes for the next day, but also to smoke some pot and chill out for a minute. She also has a dog that could have needed a walk. IMHO

Her black polka dotted blouse had been worn earlier in the night at the party and during the wreck. She changed out of the black polka dotted blouse after the wreck and the blouse was at the apartment where LE found it along with her keys, overnight bag, and wallet (according to Miss Demeanors Conversation with Pooley).

ATasteofHoney brought up the brilliant idea that Adrienne probably went home to change for the next day as it was nearing sun up and well, new day new clothes. Simple as that. No need for the overnight bag anymore after changing her clothes.

Miss Demeanor brought up the brilliant idea that maybe she changed into her work clothes if she was scheduled to work later that afternoon/day.


Lots of good sleuthing recently.

Morning 2Hip! Thanks for giving me credit on the work clothes but that was actually Goblin who came up with that brilliant idea.

Yes...last night was good sleuthing!

 

[MissDemeanor]

Are we going to compile questions for Miss Demeanor to ask Pooley when she speaks with him next?????? Maybe send the questions to your inbox Misdemeanor? Or would you like us post the questions here?

I would love that. It would give me incentive to call him back sooner, as well.

Why don't we start a list publicly. That way, not that I mind, but no one would have to PM me to submit a question. I think some might be more reluctant to do that rather than add a question to the list.

 

[goblinsolo]

RSBM and BBM

I have been following this case silently, but have to come out of the shadows to agree with AmorAlways. This has been the scenario I've been leaning towards. I also feel she had every intention to meet the cab driver at AM/PM and felt safe up until the phone call from the driver. I can't help but think of the Whitney Heichel case and how the perpetrator was not only someone she knew, but a neighbor and someone who attended the same church as her. I feel AS was with someone she knew to some degree and didn't feel threatened up until the very last minute; much like sweet Whitney.

I believe she knew she wouldn't be at the AM/PM prior to 5ish, which would explain why the pick up was approximately 20 minutes later than when the cab company said they could be there.


One thing I have been struggling with is the clothing she was wearing when she vanished; was she wearing the black shirt with polka dots at the party? Or was that what she changed into when she returned to her apartment, unbeknownst to anyone else there?

the same church? where would u get that info?! thats not a rhetorical question, i really never saw anything posted about some church info? is that something new? A neighbor? or, are you refering to the whitney case? or, do u know something we do not? CHURCH? churchs chicken? whats going on here.

the black polka dot dress is ACTUALLY IN MISSING PERSON flyer thats posted round town, now. shocked me to see that, last night!
from JUNE15th pic, believe it or nyet!!!.... which she was identified in prior to accident, and that she changed out of as it was left at her room. this info is verified by people in LE report, and LE, i do believe?

i don't know if some people are following the entire thread; that aunt post on fb is very very bizarro. insanely strange.

we can wax poetic with themes, thesis, theories, til we have created an entire hardy boys mystery, BUT if we deal w the concrete evidence, we are left w a 505-507am period of time that is PURE mystery. and, until some info puts her elsewhere, why are we led to believe shes not in hardy/brown to ampm area?

upon reading the fb posts of the aunt, its a bit peculiar. is their someone suspected, and reported?

we need new info from news!! 60 pages ago, and now our theories are about the same.

i think that some sort of narrative needs to be refered to, in terms of 100% verified, and the assuming of a salinas mental state, is almost moot IF WE DONT KNOW if she was injured in crash or what she was really on? was she drunk? was she stoned?
WAS SHE on xanax? cocaine? was she completely sober by the 4-5am window of time? we don't know. as for refering to drug dealers... IS IT scarface? Or, does a kid who brings over a ladder of xanax or bump of coke, OR the people who provided alcohol to 19yr olds, is that a drug dealer? or, is this just 40-50 kid parties of yolo and doing what is more similiar to miley cyrus' new video, than to boys in the hood?

its hard to figure out. from comments ive read on fb/insty, i can ASSUME A WHOLE lot. but actually knowing? a salinas knows. thats about it.

the tempe pd gov page, hasn't even updated its info. its about as well written as the coding for windows vista. its pure fail. IF they can't get that page up to date, maybe they need to just hand the dept of info to websleuths. ridick

 

[MissDemeanor]

i didnt see whatever the specific comment was that got people so upset..but i saw the thread and the persons' profile who made whatever comment he made.
i did however note how one of the family responded, and im not really even wanting to post about this case anymore online.

just saw a missing poster for salinas at a local pizzeria. where the heck is the pic from july 15th in her black.dotted dress from? its on the flyer, and dated that day. which is day she went missing. who took that pic? its obvious, that there is something going on, and the internal fb or insty msgs that arent public would prob show a diff conversation than what we are seeing.

im not so sure the people who might be involved, are even intelligent enough to know that fb isnt exactly private and that LE can prob see their conversations that we as the public dont have access to.

i have a difficult time believing that pooley, fbi, and tempe pd are somehow not responding to the aunt or her post, or some information/lead.

something is not adding up, and i think that although emotions are probably at level 10 outta 10 for the aunt and her family who are a few degrees seperated from the father and salinas... they are posting info and words that aren't making any sense.

thats my take, and im exhausted trying to decipher half sentences, half statements, and what reads like some strange code.

its bizarre, and its very suspicious.

pooley, and the father.. seem to be the only legit sources on this entire salinas thing...everything else, i believe little, and find more intelligence in even the craziest theories posted here than on some of those fb pages.

cheers yall

Hey Goblin,

Yeah, I read the FB pages early this morning and they were all over the place. Lots of weird comments and some that I actually found to be interesting but nothing that would really indicate to me that LE isn't doing their job or that they have anything really solid to indicate they know or might know where Adrienne is.

There was one comment really bashing LE that made me wonder what exactly has gone on in the past to make him feel that way. This was apparently someone in the family or close to it.

They appear to think that Adrienne has been kidnapped. This was the feeling I got.

Other than that....just attempts at raising more reward money.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I would love that. It would give me incentive to call him back sooner, as well.

Why don't we start a list publicly. That way, not that I mind, but no one would have to PM me to submit a question. I think some might be more reluctant to do that rather than add a question to the list.

Can you ask him if he knows exactly where Adrienne ran up on the curb/wrecked and if they checked the source of that 911 call?

Can you ask him why the Roommate doesn't seem to remember anything only 30 minutes after she vividly remembers Adrienne leaving the party?
(bc if Adrienne left her place a little after 3:30 and wrecked and SPED off by 3:44, I'm assuming she'd be home (5 minute max walk) by 4:00 am. Those 30 minutes from 3:30-4:00am are crucial yet no one remembers anything after 3:30am when AS leaves?). I doubt the party completely ended with no drunk stragglers and all were asleep within 30-45 minutes. No. Way.

Can you ask him if they have searched the Gila Reservation/bend (including using cadaver dogs around abandoned cars and storage units on Gila/Gila bend) and if they have expanded or plan on expanding their search perimeter?



Thank You!

 

[MissDemeanor]

Have you all looked at her Aunts fb page lately. She's the one who lost her son to a gunshot last year. I'm not sure if I can post the link or her name, but the info is quite interesting...let me know my options please.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention! It does catch your interest. But I have found in reading her page that she has a way of kind of stringing one along. Not sure what her motivation is here in doing that but I get the feeling it is to keep interest up and also to get the reward high enough for someone to talk.

That's all I can think of. I can't see her openly bashing the Chief that way on FB but it's there. She seemed to change her tune after that, however.

Have you seen the Tempe Police FB page? Do they have one?

 

[kodi]

It has been way too long since I've done multiple quotes; good golly was that painful.... :doh:

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Her black polka dotted blouse had been worn earlier in the night at the party and during the wreck. She changed out of the black polka dotted blouse after the wreck and the blouse was at the apartment where LE found it along with her keys, overnight bag, and wallet (according to Miss Demeanors Conversation with Pooley).

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RSBM

Thank you for the clarification, 2Hip, I appreciate it. *smiles*

When Adrienne was last seen at approximately 3:30 am, and she was leaving the party and told her roommates she was going back to her boyfriend's house (this is before the wreck) she was wearing a sheer white long sleeved blouse with black polka dots and a black bra under and black skinny jeans.

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But it has been confirmed by LE that is what she was wearing when she left at 3:30 am and last seen. They do know she changed out of that and into something else. If they know what she changed into we haven't been made aware of that just yet.

RSBM

Thank you, MissD. *smiles*

the same church? where would u get that info?! thats not a rhetorical question, i really never saw anything posted about some church info? is that something new? A neighbor? or, are you refering to the whitney case? or, do u know something we do not? CHURCH? churchs chicken? whats going on here.

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RSBM and BBM

Yes, goblin, I was referring to WH's case and not AS. *smiles*

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

When Adrienne was last seen at approximately 3:30 am, and she was leaving the party and told her roommates she was going back to her boyfriend's house (this is before the wreck) she was wearing a sheer white long sleeved blouse with black polka dots and a black bra under and black skinny jeans.

There were at least two photos of her taken that night that I have seen. I'm sure there were probably more that have not been released to the public or even to LE.

But it has been confirmed by LE that is what she was wearing when she left at 3:30 am and last seen. They do know she changed out of that and into something else. If they know what she changed into we haven't been made aware of that just yet.

My issue is if the wreck happened at 3:44 am, that's nearly 15 minutes after Adrienne left at 3:30 am.

That drive from her apt to where she wrecked doesn't take 15 minutes, let alone 10 or even 5 minutes drive. Especially when she was driving erratically and speeding as the 911 caller described her doing.

This leaves me with two theories:

Either the roommate was wrong and Adrienne left more around 3:40

OR

Adrienne went somewhere or stopped at some point in her drive for about 10 minutes (3:30 am - 3:40 am) between leaving the Apartment and having the wreck.

IMHO