AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #2

[2Hip2BSquare]

My issue is if the wreck happened at 3:44 am, that's nearly 15 minutes after Adrienne left at 3:30 am.

That drive from her apt to where she wrecked doesn't take 15 minutes, let alone 10 or even 5 minutes drive. Especially when she was driving erratically and speeding as the 911 caller described her doing.

This leaves me with three theories:

Either the roommate was wrong and Adrienne left more around 3:40

OR

Adrienne went somewhere or stopped at some point in her drive for about 10 minutes (3:30 am - 3:40 am) between leaving the Apartment and having the wreck.

OR

the 911 call was made 10 minutes after the wreck rather than immediately after.

IMHO

(Sorry bringing this forward as I corrected it.)

 

[goblinsolo]

Can you ask him if he knows exactly where Adrienne ran up on the curb/wrecked and if they checked the source of that 911 call?

Can you ask him why the Roommate doesn't seem to remember anything only 30 minutes after she vividly remembers Adrienne leaving the party?
(bc if Adrienne left her place a little after 3:30 and wrecked and SPED off by 3:44, I'm assuming she'd be home (5 minute max walk) by 4:00 am. Those 30 minutes from 3:30-4:00am are crucial yet no one remembers anything after 3:30am when AS leaves?). I doubt the party completely ended with no drunk stragglers and all were asleep within 30-45 minutes. No. Way.

Can you ask him if they have searched the Gila Reservation/bend (including using cadaver dogs around abandoned cars and storage units on Gila/Gila bend) and if they have expanded or plan on expanding their search perimeter?



Thank You!

FOR salinas (or whomeever was driving!!!) to smash not only 2 tires, but actual car damage? on that rio salado wrap around, she would of had to of hit the median! not the middle curbs/ how bad was her car smacked?
we haven't been told. also, it tells as to direction she was going, and how she got back to roosey/brown.

IF she really hit a big concrete column, she would of been hurt, imo

 

[MissDemeanor]

My issue is if the wreck happened at 3:44 am, that's nearly 15 minutes after Adrienne left at 3:30 am.

That drive from her apt to where she wrecked doesn't take 15 minutes, let alone 10 or even 5 minutes drive. Especially when she was driving erratically and speeding as the 911 caller described her doing.

This leaves me with two theories:

Either the roommate was wrong and Adrienne left more around 3:40

OR

Adrienne went somewhere or stopped at some point in her drive for about 10 minutes (3:30 am - 3:40 am) between leaving the Apartment and having the wreck.

IMHO

Yes, I agree that it seems like a long time for her to get there. I had wondered about that too. That's why I posed the question of was it possible she might have had another collision prior to hitting the median, and that's where she got the front end damage.

I think I know where you are going with this. That someone else might have been in the car. This I discussed with Pooley. He says they fully believe she was alone and she was driving and she was hoping to avoid a DUI when she left.

 

[MissDemeanor]

FOR salinas (or whomeever was driving!!!) to smash not only 2 tires, but actual car damage? on that rio salado wrap around, she would of had to of hit the median! not the middle curbs/ how bad was her car smacked?
we haven't been told. also, it tells as to direction she was going, and how she got back to roosey/brown.

IF she really hit a big concrete column, she would of been hurt, imo

Hi Goblin. I agree! I don't think someone would call 911 unless the impact was fairly significant. We don't know how long her car sat at the place of impact.

 

[MissDemeanor]

My issue is if the wreck happened at 3:44 am, that's nearly 15 minutes after Adrienne left at 3:30 am.

That drive from her apt to where she wrecked doesn't take 15 minutes, let alone 10 or even 5 minutes drive. Especially when she was driving erratically and speeding as the 911 caller described her doing.

This leaves me with two theories:

Either the roommate was wrong and Adrienne left more around 3:40

OR

Adrienne went somewhere or stopped at some point in her drive for about 10 minutes (3:30 am - 3:40 am) between leaving the Apartment and having the wreck.

IMHO

I guess we will never really know the answer to this, unless Adrienne is found alive, but I am confident the roommate didn't look at her watch when Adrienne left the party. It could have been, as you say, closer to 3:40. If she had stopped somewhere, she would have probably been spotted on cams.

 

[goblinsolo]

Questions for Sgt Pooley of the Tempe Police Department

1. Has LE interviewed the 911 caller reporting the accident on Rio Salada.

2. Location of the accident and why was their front end damage.

3. Are they confident roommates or no one saw Adrienne when she returned from the accident.

4. Do they have any idea, based on cell phone records etc, of where she was when she made the call to the cab company.

5. Do they have any idea, based on cell phone records, etc, of what time she went back to her apartment following the wreck.

6. What areas have been searched that are not immediately surrounding A's apartment? Have K9s been used in other nearby areas, e.g.: Gila Bend Reservation, Kiwanis Lake, Lakes in Scottsdale near boyfriend's apartment

7. Are there any more searches planned and to what extent.

8. Have they checked other cab companies to see if they picked up any fares around 5am that might have been Adrienne.

9. Does the boyfriend have roommates and were they interviewed?

10. Has anyone, boyfriend, cabbie, been given lie detector tests?

11. Has the Salinas family asked them to call someone who claims to have a 'solid lead'? What was the result?

12. Are the calls to the boyfriend and text to boyfriend and calls to the cab company and driver the only calls that she made that night.

13. Are there any party goers who have not been located for interview at this time?

14. Have roommates and party goers been asked for photos they took that night of Adrienne and other people at the party.

15. Is the cab driver still considered a POI? Why did they search his home and take DNA from him? Did they take DNA from the boyfriend?

16. Was Adrienne scheduled to work the next day at Ruby Tuesday's? Have they interviewed any of her friends and co-workers there or at her school?

17. Has anyone she knew or met in Rocky Point been interviewed?

18. Have they gone over her phone records of the two weeks prior to see who else she might have called to help her that night after the wreck?


(Please add to the list any questions you might want me to ask Sgt. Pooley. Also if you see questions on the list that have already been answered or you feel are inappropriate, please tell me.)

19. WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON w the aunts' fb page, and what is she talking about. is their some communication of a poi and tip that hasnt been responded to by LE, as noted on aunts page?

 

[MissDemeanor]

It has been way too long since I've done multiple quotes; good golly was that painful.... :doh:

hahaa!!! That's just how I feel when I attempt them.

 

[MissDemeanor]

19. WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON w the aunts' fb page, and what is she talking about. is their some communication of a poi and tip that hasnt been responded to by LE, as noted on aunts page?

Got it! Added.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Now I have THREE theories to try and surmise why they trip from her apartment to the wreck took considerably longer:

(My issue is if the wreck happened at 3:44 am, that's nearly 15 minutes after Adrienne left at 3:30 am.

That drive from her apt to where she wrecked doesn't take 15 minutes, let alone 10 or even 5 minutes drive. Especially when she was driving erratically and speeding as the 911 caller described her doing.)

This leaves me with THREE theories NOW:

Either the roommate was wrong and Adrienne left more around 3:40

OR

Adrienne went somewhere or stopped at some point in her drive for about 10 minutes (3:30 am - 3:40 am) between leaving the Apartment and having the wreck.

OR

****the 911 call was made 10 minutes after the wreck rather than immediately after****

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Why was that roommate so aware/awake when salinas left and completely "asleep at the wheel" so to speak when Adrienne came back home not long after? I just can't buy it.

Didnt the roomie try to say Adrienne got back at 4:30 am? Shes gone a whole whopping hour according to roomie from 3:30 am to 4:30 am? Nope. Not buying it roomie.

The roomie really should learn to keep track of time better, I'm sorry. It makes her look suspicious IMHO.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Goblin, I think you are right in that Adrienne might have hit one of the concrete columns on Rio Salada, which would have caused significant front end damage. If this was the case, it would have scared her even more and could be why she chose the remote location you saw where she abandoned the car.

She could have been injured as well. This could account for the lost time we can't account for. She might have sat there stunned for quite a while, frightened or injured, but not knowing what to do.

I am thinking when she was frantically calling her b/f eleven times in a row she might have still been in the location of the vehicle.

Anyone else have more thoughts on this? I know there have been in past but now?

 

[goblinsolo]

Goblin, I think you are right in that Adrienne might have hit one of the concrete columns on Rio Salada, which would have caused significant front end damage. If this was the case, it would have scared her even more and could be why she chose the remote location you saw where she abandoned the car.

She could have been injured as well. This could account for the lost time we can't account for. She might have sat there stunned for quite a while, frightened or injured, but not knowing what to do.

I am thinking when she was frantically calling her b/f eleven times in a row she might have still been in the location of the vehicle.

Anyone else have more thoughts on this? I know there have been in past but now?

yes, i CONCUR! where did she pop 2 tires, and get car damage? the median? or side walls? do the LE know?

this is rio salado pics, heading past lake east and then the curve to ash, south.
thats the path, to take 1st street back, as well. after accident.

i could post north on ash/salado and west as well, but we are talking about when salinas was going to bfs house, and that would make about zero sense of her heading back to her area when she was heading TO scotts/bf apt/house.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Now I have THREE theories to try and surmise why they trip from her apartment to the wreck took considerably longer:

(My issue is if the wreck happened at 3:44 am, that's nearly 15 minutes after Adrienne left at 3:30 am.

That drive from her apt to where she wrecked doesn't take 15 minutes, let alone 10 or even 5 minutes drive. Especially when she was driving erratically and speeding as the 911 caller described her doing.)

This leaves me with THREE theories NOW:

Either the roommate was wrong and Adrienne left more around 3:40

OR

Adrienne went somewhere or stopped at some point in her drive for about 10 minutes (3:30 am - 3:40 am) between leaving the Apartment and having the wreck.

OR

****the 911 call was made 10 minutes after the wreck rather than immediately after****

Why was that roommate so aware/awake when salinas left and completely "asleep at the wheel" so to speak when Adrienne came back home not long after? I just can't buy it.

Didnt the roomie try to say Adrienne got back at 4:30 am? Shes gone a whole whopping hour according to roomie from 3:30 am to 4:30 am? Nope. Not buying it roomie.

The roomie really should learn to keep track of time better, I'm sorry. It makes her look suspicious IMHO.

I don't think anyone would call 911 ten minutes after the fact. Why would someone wait to do that? Ten minutes is a long time to wait to call Emergency. IMHO

I think, just like she said, they were so busy partying they didn't pay attention. The first time Adrienne left to go back to her boyfriends they weren't quite as wasted?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Goblin, I think you are right in that Adrienne might have hit one of the concrete columns on Rio Salada, which would have caused significant front end damage. If this was the case, it would have scared her even more and could be why she chose the remote location you saw where she abandoned the car.

She could have been injured as well. This could account for the lost time we can't account for. She might have sat there stunned for quite a while, frightened or injured, but not knowing what to do.

I am thinking when she was frantically calling her b/f eleven times in a row she might have still been in the location of the vehicle.

Anyone else have more thoughts on this? I know there have been in past but now?

She could have had a wreck (before hitting the curb as the caller witnessed her doing).

She could have been driving erratically before hitting the curb bc she had just been injured in a wreck seconds/minutes before and suffered some sort of panic/injury causing her to drive out of control?

I still have wondered about the possibility of foul play (slitting/letting the air out) on her tires from the beginning that caused all the auto issues almost immediately after she left her place.

Someone could have baited her to not be able to leave that house by screwing up her car, to ensure she would stick around the area/her apartment and could be watched/abducted later. This may be why she was trying to distance herself from her complex and meet the cab at the am pm. Maybe she was worried someone was wanting to harm her at her place, maybe even the ppl associated with her cousins death
Or a stalker in her complex/person at the party.

 

[MissDemeanor]

yes, i CONCUR! where did she pop 2 tires, and get car damage? the median? or side walls? do the LE know?

this is rio salado pics, heading past lake east and then the curve to ash, south.
thats the path, to take 1st street back, as well. after accident.

i could post north on ash/salado and west as well, but we are talking about when salinas was going to bfs house, and that would make about zero sense of her heading back to her area when she was heading TO scotts/bf apt/house.

WOW! Those are great. If she hit one of those concrete columns that would have been extreme. But they say she "hit the curb". Maybe she bounced off the wall in that first pic?

 

[cluciano63]

But why would she have been going anywhere that night, for someone to mess with her car, if the party was at her apartment? I mean, why would anything think she would be driving later that night?

 

[MissDemeanor]

She could have had a wreck (before hitting the curb as the caller witnessed her doing).

She could have been driving erratically before hitting the curb bc she had just been injured in a wreck seconds/minutes before and suffered some sort of panic/injury causing her to drive out of control?

I still have wondered about the possibility of foul play (slitting/letting the air out) on her tires from the beginning that caused all the auto issues almost immediately after she left her place.

Someone could have baited her to not be able to leave that house by screwing up her car, to ensure she would stick around the area/her apartment and could be watched/abducted later. This may be why she was trying to distance herself from her complex. Maybe she was worried someone was wanting to harm her at her place, maybe even the ppl associated with her cousins death
Or a stalker.

If the 911 caller was accurate in her description of Adrienne's erratic driving, it is possible she was so wasted she hit something else prior to hitting the curb. Yes, she could have been trying to get away from something.

I kind of doubt that however. I think we would probably know this by now if it were the case.

JMO

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

But why would she have been going anywhere that night, for someone to mess with her car, if the party was at her apartment? I mean, why would anything think she would be driving later that night?

Just thinking as she has an assigned parking space right next to her apartment that someone could easily see her car there and know its hers and tamper with it if they so chose to do so.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I think imho both tires were screwed bc someone tampered with them earlier to try and make sure she would stay in the area of her apartment.

Whether it was another girl who was interested in AS's boyfriend and wanted to ensure AS couldn't make it up to Scottsdale

Or

Whether it was some person/people who tampered with the tires to keep her around the complex in order to abduct her later.

All IMHO.

 

[balaney]

Maybe somebody didn't want her driving so they let the air out thinking it would keep her home safe.