AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #2

[Public_Hysteria]

Good post!!!

I just dont believe she would have the means to fulfil this epiphany. I don't think she would have been in clear mind at the time when she went missing, and if she took off she would have resurfaced by now. We are almost one month on, I believe she encountered foul play that night. Someone has taken advantage of a distressed vulnerable young girl on the road. JMO

Apologies in advance, I'm trying to do this on my phone...

I sadly agree with this post. Taking into consideration all the 'facts' we know from the night, I really don't believe that Adrienne has taken off on her own... Unless she was planning it for some time. It just seems too random (and unrealistic) for her to take off after trying so hard to see her boyfriend, and the emotional state of mind she would have been in after crashing her car. Add a night if drinking in top of that, it doesn't seem like she would have been in the right state of mind to pull this off for four weeks now.

I'm also thinking that the Facebook page is trying to fish out information from someone that knows something, by making it seem like they know more than they actually do. MissD, I think this might be why they deleted your post, because if they had answered it get may give away that they don't know much more than we do.

Where are you Adrienne? We're all still searching for you. Even those of us a half a world away. I'm hoping and praying for you every day. xx

 

[MissDemeanor]

I think there was a whole lot going on in Adrienne's young life and the wreck was the tip of the iceberg.

 

[CuriousGrace]

With all that was going on with A on this night, I would be shocked if she was also being pursued by someone from her past or related to her cousin. I feel like she was a wrong place/wrong time victim, always assuming the BF and roomies are in the clear for sure, as they would probably be the highest statistically speaking.

I am gravitating towards a random crime of opportunity. You do not want a be a young attractive girl, under the influence of alcohol, distressed, upset and confused on the street trying to deal with a smashed up vehicle and boyfriend you are fighting with. If it was her who crashed her vehicle she would have been very shaken up and not thinking logically. You would not want to be alone on the streets at 5am in that frame of mind. I think, perhaps, someone has spotted her and offered to give her a lift to her boyfriends home, under the false presence of offering help and something has happened from there. JMO

 

[MissDemeanor]

Apologies in advance, I'm trying to do this on my phone...

I sadly agree with this post. Taking into consideration all the 'facts' we know from the night, I really don't believe that Adrienne has taken off on her own... Unless she was planning it for some time. It just seems too random (and unrealistic) for her to take off after trying so hard to see her boyfriend, and the emotional state of mind she would have been in after crashing her car. Add a night if drinking in top of that, it doesn't seem like she would have been in the right state of mind to pull this off for four weeks now.

I'm also thinking that the Facebook page is trying to fish out information from someone that knows something, by making it seem like they know more than they actually do. MissD, I think this might be why they deleted your post, because if they had answered it get may give away that they don't know much more than we do.

Where are you Adrienne? We're all still searching for you. Even those of us a half a world away. I'm hoping and praying for you every day. xx

Depression can make someone do things other people never think they would do. Depression is a serious epidemic with young people these days.

I know what you are saying about the FB page. You are probably correct about why they are deleting comments asking point blank what is going on.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Maybe something will break this weekend. In the meantime, I appreciate reading all of your thoughts and theories, even when they do not coincide with mine.

But in the final analysis, I hope I am right and you are wrong.

And that Adrienne will return to us alive.

Have a great weekend!

 

[CuriousGrace]

The boyfriend remains a possibility, however, I believe his bark would be worse than his bite. I think he would have been a little punk and possibly treated her poorly & ignored her etc but I don't think his maliciousness would extend to causing her death & disappearance. I think someone has preyed on her early that morning and it has resulted in a very frightening and sad set of circumstances.

It is plausible she took off in a moment of fear due to the crash, but this theory is very concerning in itself. No money, no support, little hope - this is when one could land themselves in even more dire and desperate situations. And generally when people take off in the heat of the moment they leave behind more clues as they do not cover their tracks as well, as say, someone who has been planning it for sometime.

JMO

 

[Public_Hysteria]

Maybe something will break this weekend. In the meantime, I appreciate reading all of your thoughts and theories, even when they do not coincide with mine.

But in the final analysis, I hope I am right and you are wrong.

And that Adrienne will return to us alive.

Have a great weekend!

I also hope that you are right, I will happily eat my words.

Not too long ago there was a girl missing from Australia, with gang connections and a disappearance that didn't seem like it would have a happy ending. But most of us were wrong, and this girl had just taken off on her own, and was alive and well (albeit selfish for letting everyone worry about her so much). I'm hoping for the same resolution here, even though my gut is telling me it won't be so.

But I also appreciate everyone's thoughts on what may have happened if Adrienne is NOT missing voluntarily, because I'm so sick of seeing cases like this that sit there unsolved for months (even years) on end.

 

[CuriousGrace]

I also hope that you are right, I will happily eat my words.

Not too long ago there was a girl missing from Australia, with gang connections and a disappearance that didn't seem like it would have a happy ending. But most of us were wrong, and this girl had just taken off on her own, and was alive and well (albeit selfish for letting everyone worry about her so much). I'm hoping for the same resolution here, even though my gut is telling me it won't be so.

But I also appreciate everyone's thoughts on what may have happened if Adrienne is NOT missing voluntarily, because I'm so sick of seeing cases like this that sit there unsolved for months (even years) on end.

I remember that case! Rachael Moritz!

Found Safe Australia - Rachael Ann Moritz, 20, Reynella, SA, 23 Dec 2012 - #1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Nightmare case and the FB page was just out of control. Sadly, I feel Adrienne has suffered a more serious fate

And there has been no communication from her since her cellphone went dead or was turned off. Unlike Rachael, who was writing and sending random peculiar texts from her phone after she disappeared. JMO

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Was the boyfriend the only person she could turn to that night for comfort after the wreck?

 

[SandSage]

This is what I love about you! Your beautiful honestly!!!

I think we all feel this way from time to time. As we mature we learn that most things are not permanent and if someone breaks your heart you will find someone else who really cherishes it. For those of us who are very sensitive, we may grieve longer, but we will eventually come out of it stronger.

This is what the really young don't understand. It's difficult at any age...for some it's tragic.

I have a feeling it was tragic for Adrienne.

Yes. My own husband abandoned an amazing job, his family, everything. He just walked. away. He's home now but the 6 weeks calling the morgue daily for John Does, phone calls unanswered by LV police... Mesa Police... online presence WIPED... computers ghosted. It wasn't an affair it was a complete nervous breakdown. It turned our world upside down but he VANISHED for a month and a half until he got his head straight. THIS is why the possibility of her just taking off is not impossible to me. I lived it. Still do, every single day. <3 Love will find a way *pollyana me*

ETA: HSP here. *raises hand*

 

[cluciano63]

Walking away takes money, or someone who is willing to take on all of the expenses of another person. If there was such a person, it seems that her phone records should show contact with him or her, if not that night, on some sort of a regular basis. I just do not think it is likely she was prepared to leave her life behind, even if she wanted to.

It should go without saying that everyone here wants the best outcome for all of these cases. But we also know that is not usually the case when a person has been missing for weeks or longer.

 

[SandSage]

Walking away takes money, or someone who is willing to take on all of the expenses of another person. If there was such a person, it seems that her phone records should show contact with him or her, if not that night, on some sort of a regular basis. I just do not think it is likely she was prepared to leave her life behind, even if she wanted to.

It should go without saying that everyone here wants the best outcome for all of these cases. But we also know that is not usually the case when a person has been missing for weeks or longer.

If she was a waitress (which I think we've all been led to believe she was - at Ruby Tuesday) - she could have been stashing money for quite some time. Cash. Just a thought. I'm not going to be naive about this but I will hang on to cautious optimism.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Yes. My own husband abandoned an amazing job, his family, everything. He just walked. away. He's home now but the 6 weeks calling the morgue daily for John Does, phone calls unanswered by LV police... Mesa Police... online presence WIPED... computers ghosted. It wasn't an affair it was a complete nervous breakdown. It turned our world upside down but he VANISHED for a month and a half until he got his head straight. THIS is why the possibility of her just taking off is not impossible to me. I lived it. Still do, every single day. <3 Love will find a way *pollyana me*

ETA: HSP here. *raises hand*

Dear Sweet Sand, I just want to put my arms around you and HUG you right now! That was SUCH a beautiful thing you just did, to share this with all of us!!! I am so glad he came home and so sorry you had to endure all those weeks of agony and despair.

There really are situations in which someone has REAL serious depression that they cannot handle by themselves. And that's when they break down. This happens more than people realize.

I'm sorry you had to go through this but I'm glad you can understand.

Great big hugs!!!!

PS...there is much more I want to say to you but I want to get this post to you as soon as I can before you should leave. I had a phone call right after I logged back in to check the forum and saw your post and couldn't respond as soon as I wanted. Thank you, thank you, thank you. <3 <3 <3

 

[MissDemeanor]

If she was a waitress (which I think we've all been led to believe she was - at Ruby Tuesday) - she could have been stashing money for quite some time. Cash. Just a thought. I'm not going to be naive about this but I will hang on to cautious optimism.

I think her dad knew how distraught his daughter was and that is one of reasons he became so worried about her when she didn't call him early on Father's Day. He might have known she was having boyfriend problems and could have been telling her to 'forget that guy, he's not worth it' etc for some time. She could have finally thought that she had no where to turn because 'no one understands how I feel'.

Rejection hurts so much....at any age....and especially when you are very young.

 

[SandSage]

Dear Sweet Sand, I just want to put my arms around you and HUG you right now! That was SUCH a beautiful thing you just did, to share this with all of us!!! I am so glad he came home and so sorry you had to endure all those weeks of agony and despair.

There really are situations in which someone has REAL serious depression that they cannot handle by themselves. And that's when they break down. This happens more than people realize.

I'm sorry you had to go through this but I'm glad you can understand.

Great big hugs!!!!

PS...there is much more I want to say to you but I want to get this post to you as soon as I can before you should leave. I had a phone call right after I logged back in to check the forum and saw your post and couldn't respond as soon as I wanted. Thank you, thank you, thank you. <3 <3 <3

I am hugging you back. Feel that?

Here is the thing. He made a seemingly innocuous comment to a mutual friend a couple of weeks before he left. For whatever reason, that comment came to said friend's mind out of the blue one day and held a GREAT DEAL of importance; led to us finding him. He wanted to return at that point but was so overcome with guilt, shame and self loathing that he could not. WE had to find HIM and assure him that he was indeed loved and of value.

This was only a year ago; so much has come to light about what he was going through and was internalizing because he felt he needed to maintain the illusion of who he was to everyone else. It broke him.

It is entirely possible that this has gone so much farther than she ever intended for it to and if she is anything like myself (or others who have some internal deep seated sense of guilt - religious upbringing) she feels she has betrayed her family so deeply that she is not worthy of coming home. A lot has been brought to light and made public through social media... things that would probably shame her family. It's just conjecture, of course but it somehow makes perfect sense to me.

Empathy speaking here. <3

 

[SandSage]

I think her dad knew how distraught his daughter was and that is one of reasons he became so worried about her when she didn't call him early on Father's Day. He might have known she was having boyfriend problems and could have been telling her to 'forget that guy, he's not worth it' etc for some time. She could have finally thought that she had no where to turn because 'no one understands how I feel'.

Rejection hurts so much....at any age....and especially when you are very young.

SO VALID. Yes!

 

[MissDemeanor]

I am hugging you back. Feel that?

Here is the thing. He made a seemingly innocuous comment to a mutual friend a couple of weeks before he left. For whatever reason, that comment came to said friend's mind out of the blue one day and held a GREAT DEAL of importance; led to us finding him. He wanted to return at that point but was so overcome with guilt, shame and self loathing that he could not. WE had to find HIM and assure him that he was indeed loved and of value.

This was only a year ago; so much has come to light about what he was going through and was internalizing because he felt he needed to maintain the illusion of who he was to everyone else. It broke him.

It is entirely possible that this has gone so much farther than she ever intended for it to and if she is anything like myself (or others who have some internal deep seated sense of guilt - religious upbringing) she feels she has betrayed her family so deeply that she is not worthy of coming home. A lot has been brought to light and made public through social media... things that would probably shame her family. It's just conjecture, of course but it somehow makes perfect sense to me.

Empathy speaking here. <3

Again, thank you for using your own unfortunate experiences to validate the possibility of what I have been attempting to get across. That she could have been suffering much more than anyone knew and yes...the shame, the guilt, the fear... this would make it so hard to come home.

She is young and beautiful. She would have no problem having someone want to take care of her and fill whatever emotional voids she is feeling. This was one of the reasons I speculated she might have gone to Mexico. A young beautiful girl has much more opportunity than a lot of people realize.

I just think there is a possibility she might have 'gone over the edge'. And if this is the case, like with your husband, it may be necessary to go out there and find her and convince her, like you said, of her worth again.

Again...thanks!!!! <3

 

[MissDemeanor]

I also want to say to everyone here involved in or looking in on this exchange, that there isn't one teensy eensy doubt in my mind but that every person here would love nothing more than to see Adrienne re-united with her family and friends again, alive and well. I do understand that not everyone subscribes to her having left voluntarily as a possibility because they don't see it as a reality. And I really do understand that. We are all here just doing the best we can do. I am pursuing my theory because I believe it is as valid as the others being presented and because that is where my thoughts lead me.

We are all just doing the best we can in a case where we have very limited information to go on.

 

[ArianeEmory]

(I usually only lurk occasionally here, but we did have another missing young woman recently here. Her boyfriend took the time to get verified, WS members were helping him, she disappeared the day before she was due to appear in court regarding custody of child with her ex...you can imagine where we assumed it was going.

She ended up contacting LE, telling LE she did not want to be found, LE told the boyfriend, thread was deleted. Presumably she walked away from her child too. So it does happen.)

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe it is because I am not getting the impression that Adrienne, at her age, and under those circumstances, had the capability of disappearing herself so thoroughly, that I am not buying into the left on her own theory, much as I know it happens. Hell, I couldn't do it and I am a lot older.

I have been following a case of a 59-year old woman who vanished from a supermarket parking lot on a weekday morning, car found in lot, wallet found nearby. She was/is a shy, somewhat introverted person who had few friends, per her son who is posting here. Looking forward to her first grandchild, since born. She has been missing two and a half months. Some feel she may have left her life but my point is, I would not know how and I have been on WS and followed hundreds of cases for a while now.

The one case where a girl close to A's age vanished on her own (Ivy) that comes to mind, she made it pretty obvious by boarding her dog and, I believe, taking money with her.

Anyway, I hope there IS an answer soon, whatever it may be. Still waiting to learn what happened to Lauren, Holly, Kortne and too many others.