AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #3

[Tonto]

Man. I could've sworn we had a rather lengthy dialogue about police finding her phone. Oh well.

 

[SandSage]

Man. I could've sworn we had a rather lengthy dialogue about police finding her phone. Oh well.

That would really be a blessing. All the texts would be there (and probably very telling) and photos... etc. It is my opinion that phone holds a wealth of information.

 

[cluciano63]

No...if they had found her phone, there might be DNA, prints, etc...that would be really big news. So if it was tossed out of the car, it was done right there apparently.

 

[SandSage]

Wonder if the phone "died" or was just turned off after that last communication, or if LE can tell the difference. I guess it never pinged again? So was it taken from her at that moment?

And doesn't the video pick up the car again, leaving the lot? Or is it on any other video on the street? Seems strange to be only on one tape.

Well, now that they know what direction the vehicle was heading they may be more inclined to pursue video from businesses in that direction.

 

[SandSage]

I'm not sure if I should feel good or bad about this new information. It simultaneously causes great hope and grave dread... don't know if it helped or further confused things. What I do know is my head is about to explode and my stomach is in knots.

Anyone with me here?

 

[cluciano63]

I can't help wondering about the time on the video...of it is right. Two minutes later it entered the lot where she was seen? Two minutes is a long time if she was walking, shouldn't she have been at the market within two minutes? All these minute are confusing.

 

[SandSage]

Two minutes is a long time if she was walking, shouldn't she have been at the market within two minutes? All these minute are confusing.

That's what I said. Tonto brought up the phone call times however, which indicate she was MIA for more like 11-14 minutes.

 

[SandSage]

Hold the phone:

"The police report said Arteaga realized Salinas had left her cell phone on the seat of the car, so he got out to give her back the phone and allowed her to keep walking toward her apartment alone."

In an earlier article, they stated he called her roommate who came and picked her up. What the heck?

 

[cluciano63]

Hold the phone:

"The police report said Arteaga realized Salinas had left her cell phone on the seat of the car, so he got out to give her back the phone and allowed her to keep walking toward her apartment alone."

In an earlier article, they stated he called her roommate who came and picked her up. What the heck?

Yeah I noticed that. Wonder why that is completely different and which is true. Surely BF did not make up a story about calling the roommate, since that could be easily proven.

What I am confused about is WHEN did BF last see? I mean, it couldn't have been just before she was taken, since LE said she went home in between. Really confused and wondering which is bad info.

 

[Tonto]

That's what I said. Tonto brought up the phone call times however, which indicate she was MIA for more like 11-14 minutes.

Yep, and while only a fifteen second walk from her pickup location. She would have beaten the cab driver to AMPM by a good 10 minutes if she hadn't stopped to chat with someone for 11-14 minutes.

Then again, cab driver had plenty of time to see her if he was coming from that way and turn in to scoop her up at O'Reilly's. Had nearly 15 minutes to secure her before heading over to the AMPM to "be seen" without her. Had a day or two to do what he wanted and get rid of evidence.

Man. Every time I turn around, it comes back to cabbie. Had the clearest means and opportunity, and a few motives come to mind. Occam's razor is kicking out every other theory for me. Someone needs to give me something just as plausible within the timeframe and context we have or I'm sitting on this.

 

[SandSage]

Yep, and while only a fifteen second walk from her pickup location. She would have beaten the cab driver to AMPM by a good 10 minutes if she hadn't stopped to chat with someone for 11-14 minutes.

Then again, cab driver had plenty of time to see her if he was coming from that way and turn in to scoop her up at O'Reilly's. Had nearly 15 minutes to secure her before heading over to the AMPM to "be seen" without her. Had a day or two to do what he wanted and get rid of evidence.

Man. Every time I turn around, it comes back to cabbie. Someone needs to talk me out of it. Had the means and opportunity, and a few motives come to mind.

Tonto... I really, really, really want to talk you out of this. Unfortunately, I cannot. :'( At this point in the game, if there is one suspect, it is everyone as far as I am concerned. Soooo baffled and dismayed.

 

[cluciano63]

I just have a hard time with the driver being the perp and yet LE found nothing to charge him with. His timeline was pretty tight, especially if he did go into the store to look for her. Where was she? I think she was already gone and maybe still texting, if she took another ride to save dollars. We need to know if the driver appeared on video in the store, and when.

 

[Tonto]

Tonto... I really, really, really want to talk you out of this. Unfortunately, I cannot. :'( At this point in the game, if there is one suspect, it is everyone as far as I am concerned. Soooo baffled and dismayed.

I hate being this way. Logic owns me. Out of every scenario, the one that keeps coming to me is the simplest and most reasonable with the conditions and information we have. It keeps coming back to cabbie.

He had the means, opportunity, and potential motive. He also was in contact with her repeatedly AT THAT HOUR IN THAT IMMEDIATE VICINITY. There was a 13-15 minute timeframe between when she was seen on camera, when the car was seen on camera, and when he arrived at AMPM - 15 seconds away from O'Reilly's by foot. He had 10-13 minutes to secure her.

If he was also driving a dark sedan, then that's it as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Tonto]

One more thing - did he pick up anyone else after he was supposed to pick up Adrienne? I bet he didn't.

 

[cluciano63]

The driver does make sense in that if she was still texting or calling up until 5:06 or so, then she was probably waiting and had not yet seen the cab. But where was she, doing this? I thought it was said she was never on video from the market. Or am I wrong?

If not the driver, then she left the area before he got there, in another car, with someone she felt comfortable enough with to carry on with using her phone.

 

[SandSage]

I hate being this way. Logic owns me. Out of every scenario, the one that keeps coming to me is the simplest and most reasonable with the conditions and information we have. It keeps coming back to cabbie.

He had the means, opportunity, and potential motive. He also was in contact with her repeatedly AT THAT HOUR IN THAT IMMEDIATE VICINITY. There was a 13-15 minute timeframe between when she was seen on camera, when the car was seen on camera, and when he arrived at AMPM - 15 seconds away from O'Reilly's by foot. He had 10-13 minutes to secure her.

If he was also driving a dark sedan, then that's it as far as I'm concerned.

This will help (not): what is with all the back and forth phone calls. I have taken quite a few cabs in town and I am always calling them to find out where they are. NEVER has a cab company called me (let alone been right on time). Maybe it's time to put my "idealist" shades down and let my head work a little. *sniff*

 

[cluciano63]

I have heard other cab drivers calling their fares over the radio, while in a cab. That part does not bother me, especially at that hour, as if innocent, he would be wondering where she was if he got there and she did not.

 

[SandSage]

I have heard other cab drivers calling their fares over the radio, while in a cab. That part does nit bother me, especially at that hour, as if innocent, he would be wondering where she was if he got there and she did not.

Call came in at approximately 4:43. He was 20 minutes away. That puts him there at 5:03... don't know what that has to do with anything but something about it and the video footage doesn't jibe... The phone calls however, do seem to work (time wise).

I'm really just typing out loud at this point. *le sigh*

ETA: According to timeline, this was almost exactly one hour after the car wreck...

 

[cluciano63]

What if the car IS his, but she was already gone? She should have been out if the lot within two minutes anyway. She may have already been gone away in a different car not caught on tape. I hate to think the car is his and he is not the perp, as that leaves us nowhere.

 

[SandSage]

Just adding Adrienne's car pics for reference.

Another thing - how in the HELL did she get as far as she did on those tires?