AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #5

[margarita25]

Well, as I go to sleep, I'm going to try to work it backwards, like our new member Lizardboy suggested.

(wait, where do I start, I don't know where she is!)

Will ponder. Night all. Keep up the good work!

 

[LizardBoy]

She changed clothes because she puked on herself or blood. We don't know about the clothes that were left behind.

Heading east on Rio Salado at 65MPH twards Ash Ave?!? That turn is a beeeotch! yeah, you'd do some damage to your car and get bounced around a bit. I've slammed into a few curbs in my day and that will definitely rattle your bones.

When I say work it backwards, work it from A) where we last know she was (home changing clothes) B) last phone call. There's a piece to all this that's missing. I can smell it. I'm still convinced it's the lone creeper at the party, mid 20's, minor criminal background, who saw an opportunity and it got out of control.

If only we knew WHO was at that party.

 

[WideOpen]

What do you mean by "more than erratic" ? I can't find a better description myself for the way she was driving.

I was just pointing out that her behavior was self destructive, irresponsible and uncharacteristic. What contributed to this behavior is something we have all tossed around.

Rick Salinas describes Adrienne as a responsible.

Rick Salinas, Adrienne’s father, said Adrienne is an intelligent, responsible and motivated young woman who loves watching movies and reading.

http://www.statepress.com/2013/07/09/family-of-missing-girl-heartbroken-as-search-nears-one-month/

SALINAS: Yes. She endured two basic surgeries in February a couple of days after Valentine`s Day, she had a major surgery where they had to open her chest and remove part of her lung and remove the infection. And she was in intensive care for three days and spent over a month in the hospital, and bedridden with a drain tube coming out of her chest. I spent many nights there with her by her side. She was very strong and brave, and she endured all of that. She was, you know, becoming healthy again. She was probably 90 percent well when all this had taken place. She had been given the OK to go back to work. And that`s what makes this whole thing harder, because she fought through that, she was down to 95 pounds in the hospital, and she was starting to gain weight. I could see it in her face. You know, her face was feeling fuller and she was starting to put weight on again. She had started hiking and riding her bike again, and then this takes place. So it`s a horrible nightmare.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1307/23/ng.01.html

If she was fighting to be healthy and well again what caused this drastic behavior?

It doesn't sound like her doctors would give her the okay to be drinking.

jmo

 

[cluciano63]

She changed clothes because she puked on herself or blood. We don't know about the clothes that were left behind.

Heading east on Rio Salado at 65MPH twards Ash Ave?!? That turn is a beeeotch! yeah, you'd do some damage to your car and get bounced around a bit. I've slammed into a few curbs in my day and that will definitely rattle your bones.

When I say work it backwards, work it from A) where we last know she was (home changing clothes) B) last phone call. There's a piece to all this that's missing. I can smell it. I'm still convinced it's the lone creeper at the party, mid 20's, minor criminal background, who saw an opportunity and it got out of control.

If only we knew WHO was at that party.

Le probably knows pretty well who was at the party and so far, it has not helped them. They have been examining this party, with many more details than we have, for six weeks.

 

[cluciano63]

As far as FB, we can usually paraphrase something from the victim's page, or any official or media page, unless specified otherwise in a particular case. But it is still considered rumor.

 

[alreetlike]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1307/23/ng.01.html

If she was fighting to be healthy and well again what caused this drastic behavior?

It doesn't sound like her doctors would give her the okay to be drinking.

jmo

I think she probably just felt like forgetting about her recovery and going a bit wild for the night.

I know I'd want to, if I'd been bedridden when all my friends were going about their lives and enjoying being young.

More so if I felt like my boyfriend wasn't giving me enough attention - I'd want to prove I was up to it.

So sad, in hindsight.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I was just pointing out that her behavior was self destructive, irresponsible and uncharacteristic. What contributed to this behavior is something we have all tossed around.

Rick Salinas describes Adrienne as a responsible.



http://www.statepress.com/2013/07/09/family-of-missing-girl-heartbroken-as-search-nears-one-month/





http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1307/23/ng.01.html

If she was fighting to be healthy and well again what caused this drastic behavior?

It doesn't sound like her doctors would give her the okay to be drinking.

jmo

As far as I know she's never driven erratically before. I don't see her doctors giving any 19 year old an okay to drink.

What caused her to drive so crazy that she slammed into a curb and flattened two tires? The emotions she had with fighting with her boy friend? Maybe.

Has she acted out like this before?

 

[Tonto]

Hey guys,

I am another local lurker ready to chime in.

This long post - your first - is fantastic, but I snipped the bejeezus out of it to both welcome you and then add something to this:

I initially didn't see the cabbie as the least bit suspicious. Now I am the guy who thinks he is the prime suspect.

Welcome to my world. I've been processing this case for the past few hours and no matter where I turn - no matter how many theories I posit - no matter how much I see, re-see, and see again - no matter how many times I hear (or post myself even!) that we should no probably longer discuss certain subjects - I end up back at the same. damn. place.

I truly feel that LE may have cleared certain folks because they were pressured to by an attorney. LE doesn't make it a habit to go out of their way to clear folks publicly like that, especially when they never even named them a suspect or POI in the first place. I mean, I suppose that everything likely checks out like they say, but if they haven't a clue what happened to Adrienne, when it happened, where it happened, why it happened, how it happened, and where she was placed/where she is now, then how can they clear someone based on GPS data and the like?

Now, one problem I have is in one or more of cab_guy's posts, and since he posted it here, it is fair game to analyze. We've heard that his son was cooperative, volunteered his DNA, volunteered to let them search his house, yada yada yada, but then we hear that police interrogated him from the get go, they had to retain a warrant for his DNA and everything else, and that he invoked his right to counsel very early on. Of course that doesn't imply guilt, but it does mean he is remaining silent at the advice of counsel - and not just to the media and to the public - but likely to LE as well. Well, I don't know about you, but I've never seen LE clear someone when they invoked counsel early on. Just the opposite, actually.

But let's say that he is cleared. What about this other cab driver that works for the company who was also interrogated (per cab_guy)? LE would need a reason to interrogate another cab driver. What would that reason be? Was he in the area? Did he get the initial dispatch? If so, did he go to pick her up? And so on, and so on.

Sigh. This case. This. damn. case. If I didn't sense Adrienne demanding a voice right now, I would have moved on. But there is that nagging feeling that keeps kicking me in the gut. That nagging feeling that just keeps circling back around no matter where I try to go with the imagination.

Logic can be an utter burden sometimes.

 

[bessie]

I started a news and timeline thread for Adrienne. It's a non-discussion thread for posting news updates, maps, and timelines, photos, and other case materials.

AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas Media and Timeline Thread **NO DISCUSSION** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[GGE]

When I say work it backwards, work it from A) where we last know she was (home changing clothes) B) last phone call. There's a piece to all this that's missing. I can smell it. I'm still convinced it's the lone creeper at the party, mid 20's, minor criminal background, who saw an opportunity and it got out of control.

If only we knew WHO was at that party.

BBM & SBM (bolded by me & snipped by me) -

Your post has reminded me about something that happened to me that I'd rather have continued to forget. And let me say up front, this was before cellphones or laptops or portable electronics of any kind.

I had been staying with a boyfriend for awhile during the year that I was 17 and we broke up and I'd moved back home but was very emotional about it still, crying over nothing and everything, you know. One of my (much older) brothers was having a small get together at his apartment and asked if I wanted to come and hang out at his place to get out of the house, change of scenery, maybe cheer me up a bit, so I went.

This was nice enough 30 something aged people and no craziness or anything, and in fact I was pretty bored and asked my brother to give me a ride home whenever he got a chance. I was going to wait until all his friends left so he could lock up and bring me back home but he told me that one of his good buddies was heading out now and could give me a ride. This guy was a total stranger to me but my brother was an upstanding guy, wore suits to work and stuff, cleancut, etc so I wasn't worried.

I remember sitting in the passenger seat and him reaching over once the car was going, and putting his hand on my left thigh. I was about 17 and he was in his 30s and I never saw him before, and I was alone in his moving vehicle and it was late and HIS HAND WAS ON MY THIGH.

I just froze and went someplace deep inside myself, became very quiet and tried to think what to do.

Then he turned and got onto the highway. I knew home wasn't this way.

I asked him, "where are you going?" and he said "this is just a little short cut".

I said it wasn't, and with his hand still on my thigh I at that point blanked out whatever else happened, because all I recall now, 20 + years later, is him finally pulling into hte driveway at my mother's house and me getting out and going inside and sobbing inconsolably for ages before calling my brother and screaming at him for what his friend had just done to me. He couldn't believe it, he was in shock and never doubted me but could not believe that someone he'd known for YEARS could be like that.

anyway.
Adrienne's story suddenly reminded me of my own.

My brother knew the guy so well, they were longtime buddies, why wouldn't I feel safe taking the ride that he set up for me? KWIM?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I'm interested in knowing if Adrienne was working when she disappeared. I think that it's a fact that should be known if possible. It goes to her state of mind and her ability to pay for her cab fare. MOO.

I believe Her Father Rick said on NG that he was happy bc Adrienne was getting better after her surgery and she had just gotten to going back to work and hiking, riding her bike, etc.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I started a news and timeline thread for Adrienne. It's a non-discussion thread for posting news updates, maps, and timelines, photos, and other case materials.

AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas Media and Timeline Thread **NO DISCUSSION** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Ya! Right on! Thanks Bessie!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

BBM & SBM (bolded by me & snipped by me) -


Your post has reminded me about something that happened to me that I'd rather have continued to forget. And let me say up front, this was before cellphones or laptops or portable electronics of any kind.

I had been staying with a boyfriend for awhile during the year that I was 17 and we broke up and I'd moved back home but was very emotional about it still, crying over nothing and everything, you know. One of my (much older) brothers was having a small get together at his apartment and asked if I wanted to come and hang out at his place to get out of the house, change of scenery, maybe cheer me up a bit, so I went.

This was nice enough 30 something aged people and no craziness or anything, and in fact I was pretty bored and asked my brother to give me a ride home whenever he got a chance. I was going to wait until all his friends left so he could lock up and bring me back home but he told me that one of his good buddies was heading out now and could give me a ride. This guy was a total stranger to me but my brother was an upstanding guy, wore suits to work and stuff, cleancut, etc so I wasn't worried.

I remember sitting in the passenger seat and him reaching over once the car was going, and putting his hand on my left thigh. I was about 17 and he was in his 30s and I never saw him before, and I was alone in his moving vehicle and it was late and HIS HAND WAS ON MY THIGH.

I just froze and went someplace deep inside myself, became very quiet and tried to think what to do.

Then he turned and got onto the highway. I knew home wasn't this way.

I asked him, "where are you going?" and he said "this is just a little short cut".

I said it wasn't, and with his hand still on my thigh I at that point blanked out whatever else happened, because all I recall now, 20 + years later, is him finally pulling into hte driveway at my mother's house and me getting out and going inside and sobbing inconsolably for ages before calling my brother and screaming at him for what his friend had just done to me. He couldn't believe it, he was in shock and never doubted me but could not believe that someone he'd known for YEARS could be like that.

anyway.
Adrienne's story suddenly reminded me of my own.

My brother knew the guy so well, they were longtime buddies, why wouldn't I feel safe taking the ride that he set up for me? KWIM?

I'm so sorry! No one deserves to go through that, especially at such a tender age


Oh man GGE. This for you must have been so painful to experience. Many people dissociate when these "situations" happen, as you well know and wrote about in your story when you said you "forgot" what had happened (it was too difficult and experience for you to take in and encode).

It does seem eerily similar to something that could have happened to AS.

Could one person at that party standing outside the front door of the apartment have caught her walking out and offered her a ride to Scottsdale? ( I say this bc again none of the other party goers saw her come in and talk to anyone, do I'm assuming it was a partygoer standing outside having a cig or on the phone etc. )

 

[cluciano63]

Since LE said that all of her calls came from the pretty immediate area, it does not appear that she took a ride right away. She must have been walking around right up until near the time of her last phone use.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

As far as I know she's never driven erratically before. I don't see her doctors giving any 19 year old an okay to drink.

What caused her to drive so crazy that she slammed into a curb and flattened two tires? The emotions she had with fighting with her boy friend? Maybe.

Has she acted out like this before?

If you look up AS driving records (Kmas found this) she did have one wreck that she was found not guilty of. Looks like for reason that she was actually trying to do something nice in traffic during or right before a wreck. Yes I don't see any speeding tickets in her record. Then again I speed like a demon but have a sixth sense for the PoPo thus have never gotten a speeding ticket or pulled over for it (I chalk it up to my BS meter and navigation abilities that I share with my military dad and grand pop, know what I'm saying? )

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Since LE said that all of her calls came from the pretty immediate area, it does not appear that she took a ride right away. She must have been walking around right up until near the time of her last phone use.

I agree. Maybe she said she needed to go get something at circle K first? Fix a flat? Something to give to someone that offered to help work/fix her car when she went to Scottsdale? Maybe she told them her car key would be back in the house if they needed it while she was at the BF?

Argh confused. Just trying to tie GGE's idea/theory of it being a partygoer together. I think it's a good idea to jump off.

 

[mamacita]

Does her phone go to voice mail when she is using it? Some do, and she sure was using it.

this gave me a thought.. i think some (if not all) phones will send you straight to voicemail if you call the very second that the person hits send to call someone else.

 

[mamacita]

Maybe the air bags didn't deploy and there is no evidence of an injury left behind like blood. What if Adrienne suffered a head injury like Mamacita proposed?

Would we be able to tell that she did or didn't by looking at the interior of the car?

i'm also thinking that the airbags probably wouldnt have deployed unless she hit something head-on and i think it would have to hit the bumper to trigger deployment. side/tire impact might not cause them to deploy (altho i think there are sensors in a lot of cars that would set them off if the side impact was higher, like up on the doors-ish?) i remember learning about points of impact a long time ago and i remember that the bags would only go off if certain points were impacted.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I think she probably just felt like forgetting about her recovery and going a bit wild for the night.

I know I'd want to, if I'd been bedridden when all my friends were going about their lives and enjoying being young.

More so if I felt like my boyfriend wasn't giving me enough attention - I'd want to prove I was up to it.

So sad, in hindsight.

I think also it is significant that she just had major lung/breathing issues. This would leave her with less of an ability to oxidize her bloodstream/system and cause her to be intoxicated quite quicker/easier than usual. Pair that with what alreetlike said above about her not being able to have fun and drink in a while (low tolerance) and things are not looking good IMO

 

[SandSage]

this gave me a thought.. i think some (if not all) phones will send you straight to voicemail if you call the very second that the person hits send to call someone else.

If I am on a call, my phone goes straight to voicemail but this is an option I have chosen (on a custom ROM)...