AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #6

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  • #801
A local posted recently that it was not unusual for college kids to be out and about on foot at all hours, I believe, in Tempe. I don't think college is a time when they are thinking most about safety, JMO. Friends may also insist she was not drinking as an excuse for not trying to keep her from driving.

As far as her being responsible, she may have been in many ways, i.e job, school, etc. but I am not sure a parent is the best judge of how they may or may not behave in a romantic/emotional situation away from home. If they "broke up" and got back together often, as I read somewhere here, drama was probably a big part of her, or their lives.

I hope LE is not leading the family on with the standard "following up leads, some look promising" bit. It has been nearly two months.
 
  • #802
Need some advice here..........am I insinuating that some of the individuals surrounding this case are POI? If it looks that way, PLEASE tell me to cool my jets!

I don't want some "special time" to reflect! :jail:

Me either and it's killing me!
There is stuff I can't say because it might look like I am pointing fingers at people. - while I am not.
Just theories to consider...
I am playing it safe and praying
Something breaks soon!!
We know that the bf and the cabbie are cleared - everything else is still on the table. - per Sgt. Pooley

We can Only use statements that we can back up with msm -
If msm hasn't mentioned it we can't either.

I will say backing up the bf...IMO He and Adrienne had apparently cooled it off somewhat in the weeks before this happened.

I base this on comments I read from her instagram acct.
She appeared to be somewhat heart broken... :(
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  • #803
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When I factor in the seriousness of her illness and the long and serious recovery it tends to make me question whether Adrienne would have actually been behaving so recklessly. That does just make me shake my head in disbelief. Maybe I am just old. Young people do think they are invincible.

Her father says she is responsible. This night however, paints Adrienne in exactly the opposite light. Was Adrienne not using common sense or is it smoke and mirrors?

jmo
While I am not blaming the victim in any way, I will state that we must be reminded that certain parts of the brain needed for good decision making are not fully developed until later in the 20's.

It is possible that she was doing "some" things, that while normal for a run of the mill young adult would have not only been ill advised or forbidden after her illness but also could have delayed her healing or even caused/ exacerbated a relapse.

{Self delete can't find the link at this time :mad:}

(This would be my professional opinion - not an opinion)


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  • #804
A local posted recently that it was not unusual for college kids to be out and about on foot at all hours, I believe, in Tempe. I don't think college is a time when they are thinking most about safety, JMO. Friends may also insist she was not drinking as an excuse for not trying to keep her from driving.

As far as her being responsible, she may have been in many ways, i.e job, school, etc. but I am not sure a parent is the best judge of how they may or may not behave in a romantic/emotional situation away from home. If they "broke up" and got back together often, as I read somewhere here, drama was probably a big part of her, or their lives.

I hope LE is not leading the family on with the standard "following up leads, some look promising" bit. It has been nearly two months.

Bolded above

I was thinking the same thing... but thought you might want to be the first to say it. In all seriousness, I have been hoping against odds that the silence is LE actively pursuing evidence and or leads. Its just gone too darn quiet.

You are correct about parents not being the best judge of their children's lives. IMO we see what we want to see. Mr. Salinas adored Adrienne, it is so obvious.



jmo
 
  • #805
I think they are too quiet because they don't want to compromise the investigation or tip off any people they are giving extra attention to.

Searching through mountains of cell records and internet activity is no small task!

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  • #806
I think they are too quiet because they don't want to compromise the investigation or tip off any people they are giving extra attention to.

Searching through mountains of cell records and internet activity is no small task!

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.......and LE has been known to give dis-information to further their investigations...wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean...... :twocents:
 
  • #807
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While I am not blaming the victim in any way, I will state that we must be reminded that certain parts of the brain needed for good decision making are not fully developed until later in the 20's.

It is possible that she was doing "some" things, that while normal for a run of the mill young adult would have not only been ill advised or forbidden after her illness but also could have delayed her healing or even caused/ exacerbated a relapse.

{Self delete can't find the link at this time :mad:}

(This would be my professional opinion - not an opinion)


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Thank you for trying to find the link. I don't use too much social media so I either depend on folks here to paraphrase or link me up to it!

I guess it is very possible that Adrienne was in some form of denial about the long term or serious nature of her illness. I suppose she thought if she felt better and was doing better that she could return to her prior activities.

jmo
 
  • #808
.......and LE has been known to give dis-information to further their investigations...wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean...... :twocents:

Yes they have... I have never seen it done in a Police report but I have seen it done in press conferences.
In my next life I want to be a detective or...

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  • #809
Why even bother making up such a convoluted tale, when it would have been much easier to say she left in her car and was never seen again? Why dial the BF 32 times? None of that makes sense to me as a part of a set-up. It does make sense to me that Adrienne did that, as I think she was desperate and determined to reunite with him that night, wreck or no wreck. I do not believe such complicated lies would hold up for nearly two months now.

In the case of Lauren Spierer, the people she was with that night seem to have said she walked away on her own and they never saw her again and a few years later, are still sticking to this story, which can't be proved or disproved. They did not complicate the story with fake calls, etc. as far as we know.

I am not sure that anyone's story changed. Perhaps the police report will clear that up. Media reporting has been poor, as usual, so I seldom trust details from any source other than police.

ITA :seeya: and I haven't followed this case from the beginning, just maybe the last 2-3 weeks. It is very interesting that there is no clear POI at this point. I feel for these parents especially after their child went such through a devastating health issue to be face with this issue OMG!

Although, I have not personally followed a case where, they have cleared anyone before they knew basically what happened to the victim, they have somewhat implied the BF & cab driver are somewhat cleared, so I take that very much into perspective.



I can identify with her thinking back to my young & stupid/insecure days. In going back & putting myself in her shoes that night, she was in a ‘rage’ mode as the term “not paying enough attention to me” means he was paying too much attention to “another girl”. I am going to assume she had some alcohol or maybe/probably she was still on some kind of prescription medication, maybe a combination…but I am not going to assume she was drunk/stoned, regardless we have documented calls that seemed to suggest she was in a rage.


In my mind, being in that situation (in a rage, push/pull tug about the BF) just having the accident, walking back to the apt., I would want to talk to my buddies about what happened about the accident, plus ‘MY’ BF. Yeah, I get she may try to hide/change clothes not to get a DUI, but you would talk to your friends and at that age you assume anyone would cover, it wouldn’t be a big secret IMO. This is the part that stuns me, that she would slip in/slip out…arrange to meet a cab elsewhere. This is what doesn’t make sense to me, she wouldn’t keep this a secret from her friends IMO, she would have talked to anyone after something that emotional…she would know whoever won’t tattle on a DUI. BTW…the friends would have said, if you aren’t there…you don’t get you to blow there is nothing that can be prove. Actually, I think she would seek her good friends for advice…not having it all figured out (upset & in the short distance after an accident) to do a stealth maneuver in sneaking in, changing clothes, leaving things, calling a cab. There has no reason presented that I know of that she wouldn't make her presence known.



I tend to believe it was a possibility someone was in the car with her. Who would that possibly be? Or, did she meet up with someone random by chance, outside of the apt. that she unloaded on…that then proceeded to take advantage of the situation & guide her not to be seen, walk to the cab, blah, blah. The whole point of a calling a cab is convenience & you’re in a hurry to BE somewhere. A. was in a hurry, there was no reason for her to have to walked anywhere to catch a cab; it makes no sense to me.
 
  • #810
"That reward could be key, you know, the missing piece," said Shainey Duggan, Adrienne's roommate.  
Well $10000 has not helped...

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/22722657/arizona-authorities-search-for-missing-woman

Her father called me on Father's Day and had asked me, 'Have you heard from her?' And I said, 'No, actually, she didn't come home last night either,'" her roommate, Shainey Duggan, said.

Again this alludes to AS NOT.returning a second time to change.

Technically when leaving at around 5am someone would say she left early this morning.

She didn't come home last night tells me not even to change clothes.


http://www.santanvalley.com/news/ne...empe-teen?tmpl=component&print=1#.Uf3_YrtZ7ik


OK on to RF.
On Adrienne is missing page July 19 1:15 am
there is a post by RF July 24 11:13 pm
She calls herself AS's roommate when discussing her walk.

I thought they were best friends!


"As her roommate I would know"
Ehh- I'll hush I am tired.

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"That reward could be key, you know, the missing piece," said Shainey Duggan, Adrienne's roommate. *
Well $10000 has not helped...

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/22722657/arizona-authorities-search-for-missing-woman

Her father called me on Father's Day and had asked me, 'Have you heard from her?' And I said, 'No, actually, she didn't come home last night either,'" her roommate, Shainey Duggan, said.


http://www.santanvalley.com/news/ne...empe-teen?tmpl=component&print=1#.Uf3_YrtZ7ik



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SBM: I took that "she didn't come home last night either" to mean she had not come home on SATURDAY night. Father's Day was on Sunday, so I think she meant Saturday night. Adrienne disappeared Friday night/Saturday Morning. She was already missing by Saturday night, only no one knew it yet. FWIW
 
  • #813
SBM: I took that "she didn't come home last night either" to mean she had not come home on SATURDAY night. Father's Day was on Sunday, so I think she meant Saturday night. Adrienne disappeared Friday night/Saturday Morning. She was already missing by Saturday night, only no one knew it yet. FWIW
I took it to mean
She didn't come home Friday or Saturday night when asked on Sunday.
It's late maybe I am confused! :)
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  • #814
Need some advice here..........am I insinuating that some of the individuals surrounding this case are POI? If it looks that way, PLEASE tell me to cool my jets!

I don't want some "special time" to reflect! :jail:



I never got that impression from any of your posts.
And btw, I always enjoy your comments, theories, etc.

You contribute a lot to this thread, Bernina!

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  • #815
I'm always astounded to what gets posted (and sometimes not posted speaks volumes too) on SM (FB)......iykwim?


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  • #816
In my mind, being in that situation (in a rage, push/pull tug about the BF) just having the accident, walking back to the apt., I would want to talk to my buddies about what happened about the accident, plus ‘MY’ BF. Yeah, I get she may try to hide/change clothes not to get a DUI, but you would talk to your friends and at that age you assume anyone would cover, it wouldn’t be a big secret IMO. This is the part that stuns me, that she would slip in/slip out…arrange to meet a cab elsewhere. This is what doesn’t make sense to me, she wouldn’t keep this a secret from her friends IMO, she would have talked to anyone after something that emotional…she would know whoever won’t tattle on a DUI. BTW…the friends would have said, if you aren’t there…you don’t get you to blow there is nothing that can be prove. Actually, I think she would seek her good friends for advice…not having it all figured out (upset & in the short distance after an accident) to do a stealth maneuver in sneaking in, changing clothes, leaving things, calling a cab. There has no reason presented that I know of that she wouldn't make her presence known.

I agree with your above. If Adrienne had just had that scary accident and made it home to the apartment I think she would have confided in her friends. The accident happened at 3:44 am and Adrienne drives the car a few blocks and parks it. She supposedly walks home and changes. Her last voice conversation with cabbie is at 5:06. What was she doing all this time? That is over an hour for her to be at the house, out wandering the neighborhood, getting coffee or what? No one at the party saw her?

I would in that panic bust in the apartment door and be cussing and the drama would be high, "omg-I just crashed my car what am I going to do now"? I would be calling the BF to save me, asking the room mates to take me over to the BF because he isnt answering. Asking advice from any males at the party about what kind of damage I caused and the cost of repairs. "My dad is going to freak out" "We dont have any money to fix my car". That seems like the scene after the accident imo.

It certainly sets Adrienne up to be vulnerable and a target for any male who may have had evil intentions. "Get in, lets drive over and look at your car, lets see how bad it is"

The party reportedly ends at 5:00 am and Adrienne is last in voice contact with the cabbie at 5:06 "I will be there in a minute". At 5:07 the phone goes to voicemail.


just my thoughts this am

jmo
 
  • #817
I can imagine avoiding everyone at a party if I felt distanced from people there... Maybe they were all too wasted, doing things she isn't in to, her best friend(s) could have been busy uh privately entertaining someone else, or maybe she felt isolated from them- from her being gone and changed from illness, or maybe the BF was giving her girl friend(s) too much attention and the LAST person she wanted to speak to was her/ them? Maybe she didn't talk about wrecking the car because she was embarrassed? I know when you are sober and everyone else is totally wasted they can be very annoying, maybe she didn't want to deal with drunk people? All just speculation of course. But I agree that an hour is a long time to be somewhere and not be seen! Hoping the LE does have something and a break comes soon.......

BTW I am playing devil's advocate, I still think chances are higher that someone who "knew" her was involved rather than a stranger, random abduction...
 
  • #818
The only thing about A not telling anyone about the accident; I can see her not doing so if she was still determined to go see the boyfriend and did not want to hear any opinions telling her to do otherwise. (I also wonder if her car insurance was current.)

If we disbelieve she called a cab, changed her clothes, etc...IMO we are pointing a finger at rommates, as I do not find it at all likely that anyone not living in the apartment went back there to leave her clothes, wallet, key, etc. nor do I see the reasoning for anyone to do this in any case. Much easier just to say she never returned after leaving in her car.
 
  • #819
I haven't been following this case much (only read a bit) .. So can someone tell me if it is possible the Adrienne never drove her car at all that night? Are they sure she was even in her car?

is it possible she was tripping out on drugs and/or alcohol? What meds was she on if any for her sickness... what are the effects of mixing that med with drugs and/or alchohol?Calling her BF 32 times? Was it her that called or someone that had her phone at was calling the BF flipping out cause something happened to Adrienne while with this mysterious person?

Party ended at 5am? BF left at what time? Why did Adrienne not call and harass her BF after he left? Or did she? Who was the last to leave party?
 
  • #820
I haven't been following this case much (only read a bit) .. So can someone tell me if it is possible the Adrienne never drove her car at all that night? Are they sure she was even in her car?

is it possible she was tripping out on drugs and/or alcohol? What meds was she on if any for her sickness... what are the effects of mixing that med with drugs and/or alchohol?Calling her BF 32 times? Was it her that called or someone that had her phone at was calling the BF flipping out cause something happened to Adrienne while with this mysterious person?

Party ended at 5am? BF left at what time? Why did Adrienne not call and harass her BF after he left? Or did she? Who was the last to leave party?

She left the party with her BF and went to his house in Scottsdale, however she soon wanted to leave and started off on foot, he followed her, got her into the car and nearly home when she got out again...he called her roommate to meet up with her and he went home, apparently. Roommate did not find her, but did meet up with A outside complex at some point, so she made it back there and then left in her car to go back to BF's. Wrecked car, left it where she could, went hime again, changed clothes and set out once more, this time planning on taking a cab, back to BF. And apparently vanished during this final outing before she met up with cab driver.
 
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