AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #6

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  • #81
Well if I am not mistaken she would have gotten off the phone with the cab driver around 4:40 after the 4:37 call. It isn't far fetched that she would have sent the text as she was leaving her house.

It might take her a few minutes to make final preparations. Or the cabbie gave her an ETA around 15 minutes - not too many other likely reasons for that call - maybe 4:43 is when she starts getting ready to leave. 4:47 was initially reported as the time she sent this text no? Anyways, depending where her apt was within the complex and how fast she walked should take 3-7 minutes to get to University/Hardy, which means it is her on surveillance at 4:52, or it is a coincidence.

Given potential implications of her having been there at 4:52, I would understand if her father did not want to acknowledge. If no one saw her leave the apartment - doesn't necessarily mean anything maybe folks have left and roommates are in their bedroom, maybe everyone left over is in a room smoking a bowl - it could even mean she went so far as to try and disguise herself to avoid attention.

So can Cab Guy verify that the cabbie was at the northeast corner of the intersection from 4:53-4:54, and can it be verified that the cab was not the vehicle driving through the O'reilly's lot, which would have potentially been driving from where Adrienne likely was to the AM/PM, where we know the cabbie eventually was? Whatever reason Adrienne would have had to cut through the O'Reilly's lot - predetermined location, cop avoidance, or she was thinking more clearly than many give her credit for and wanted to make sure a cab in a parking lot was her cab - the 4:53 call means the cabbie could have known her exact location.

Obviously police don't feel comfortable making an arrest, and given that it is good that they have publicly given the cabbie the benefit of the doubt to get the public off his back. Although everything I read sourced from LE says 'no one has been ruled out' and the cabbie and bf have simply been cleared as suspects 'at this point.' Just saying...

Cab Guys info seemed to be reposted to this forum (when it had initially been pulled pending verification) after he proved verification to WS. At this point I'm believing the info he has provided earlier in this forum IMOO.
 
  • #82
I wonder whether LE walked that route from her appartment to the ampm at night and interviewed the "regulars" - homeless people, drug addicts, dealers, etc that hang out there frequently. I know, probably not easy or even impossible to get any info from them, but still I think they should give it a shot.

One question: why is it "understandable" if AS's father wouldn't want to say publicly that he recognized her in the video, if he did? Is there something wrong/embarrassing/whatever about her walking through that parking lot, if it was her?
 
  • #83
I don't see any red flags in her behaviour towards the boyfriend. She complained about not getting enough attention from him, it makes perfect sense for her to do a push & pull routine. I even see great care in his behaviour of driving her back and then calling her friend to take care of her as she leaves his car.
I won't cross him out from my own personal suspect list, but only because he knew her approximate time/space coordinates and would've had easy access to her. His behaviour, however, indicates to me that he might go through a personal hell, not having been able to prevent her from walking the streets alone and sleeping when she was in grave danger.

I also don't think some homeless guy or panhandler took her. They wouldn't have the means to transport her any great distance or dispose of her body easily. I'd say she would've been found in the days immediately following her disappearance. Of course there's always a possibility; someone dragging her in a dark alley, strangling her and then place her in a dumpster that wasn't searched. I tend to assume the perp had a vehicle, though.

If this was a random abduction, I also think of Mickey Shunick, like cluciano mentioned. LE got their man due to his vehicle being clearly visible on surveillance cameras. If they don't have a similar strong lead here (and they obviously haven't), I'm afraid we'll have to wait until she is found to maybe get some more evidence.

However, LE seemed to be very dissatisfied with the accounts her roommates and other party guests gave. Strange thing to say, but maybe we're lucky and this wasn't totally random. But I hope this isn't one of those cases where LE knows someone is lying, but has no evidence to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
  • #84
I wonder whether LE walked that route from her appartment to the ampm at night and interviewed the "regulars" - homeless people, drug addicts, dealers, etc that hang out there frequently. I know, probably not easy or even impossible to get any info from them, but still I think they should give it a shot.

One question: why is it "understandable" if AS's father wouldn't want to say publicly that he recognized her in the video, if he did? Is there something wrong/embarrassing/whatever about her walking through that parking lot, if it was her?

LE walked the area around AS complex to Hardy, 5th street, Roosevelt and brown where her car was, Jaycee park, all the way up to 7th and then UNI/AMPM.

I remember in a video interview with Pooley, you could see the park in the background and yellow tape around a portion of the play area. I will try and hunt it down.

Hm idk - I hope that LE and Rick were able to get some lead off the video that they didn't want to give up or share. Is that what you mean? If so I never thought of that avenue before. It's entirely possible.
 
  • #85
In Tempe on a weekend, parties and dealings last "til the birds chirp". Do you live in Tempe? It's a very different town to say the least.

It wasn't until I bought this cab company that I learned of the "Overnight Society" that rules the roost once the sun goes down in Tempe and Scottsdale. How do I explain this large group of people who don't even get out of bed until four or five in the afternoon...this group of guys and gals who don't get fully dressed until 9pm? Unless you're up and out at that time, unless you see it every night, you would not believe it. It's the drug culture, the bar culture, the dance culture, and in Tempe, it's the "house party culture." These "house parties" are regularly talked about at police shift briefings, they are a part of the culture. The cops will roll up ten car strong on one of them, kids will jump out of the side and back windows of the house, each with cell phone in hand as they speed dial a cab to come and get them out of Dodge. When they are safely in the car they ring up other people at other parties and guess where the cab takes them? Exactly, another house party. Remember Cheers, "where everybody knows your name? Sadly, in this case, think of it this way: "House parties, where nobody knows your name."These kids don't know each other, they're just looking for the booze and the "make out partner". As for 5am, that's exactly the time when we pick these kids up to finally go home. Half dressed and half-witted, they stumble into the cab, and we try and get them home safely. The overnight Society in Tempe, believe it, it exists, especially in the area where Adrienne was walking the day she disappeared.--Cab Guy
 
  • #86
I feel she was taken by car due to LE's extensive groundsearch of the area earlier this month. I do agree with cab_guy that there are some shady joints along the way. When I "walked" it on Google streetview yesterday, there were quite a few boarded up houses and a couple of rundown-looking areas on the short route to AMPM. Even though these shady areas and houses exist, I don't think they played a tangible part in what happened to her.

Still having issues with why she chose to walk to AMPM in the first place.

I wish I had a copy of the police report. No good reason I can think of for why it wasn't shared with the rest of us. And yes, I will pout like a 4 year old until I get it.
 
  • #87
Cab Guys info seemed to be reposted to this forum (when it had initially been pulled pending verification) after he proved verification to WS. At this point I'm believing the info he has provided earlier in this forum IMOO.

Remember what I said about the amount of information we have versus the cops. There's lots they are not releasing. Example: There are no fewer than 4 cameras at the AM PM, each with a different location and angle. Think about the limited video that was released of the cab driver at the gas station. Of course they can account for where he was but they haven't found it necessary for us to see all four tapes from all four cameras. That is, unfortunately, just the way it is.--Cab Guy
 
  • #88
She made it home after the BF left her and he would not have known she set back out again if he was not answering his phone, which he apparently wasn't. The text telling him she was on her way was much later. So I don't think he can be factored in at all, JMO.
 
  • #89
In the questionable surveillance video released by LE, everyone was confused as to why Adrienne would be walking on the opposite side of the street from the AMPM. I've been worried if it was her (most likely isn't) that she didn't want to walk on the east side of the street bc that's where that park was.

Please expand...I'm lost.--Cab Guy
 
  • #90
Today I'm just not feeling like this is going to end well.
 
  • #91
LE walked the area around AS complex to Hardy, 5th street, Roosevelt and brown where her car was, Jaycee park, all the way up to 7th and then UNI/AMPM.

I remember in a video interview with Pooley, you could see the park in the background and yellow tape around a portion of the play area. I will try and hunt it down.

Hm idk - I hope that LE and Rick were able to get some lead off the video that they didn't want to give up or share. Is that what you mean? If so I never thought of that avenue before. It's entirely possible.

bbm - I wasn't thinking of that, I didn't know what to think. But what you speculate could certainly be possible.

It wasn't until I bought this cab company that I learned of the "Overnight Society" that rules the roost once the sun goes down in Tempe and Scottsdale. How do I explain this large group of people who don't even get out of bed until four or five in the afternoon...this group of guys and gals who don't get fully dressed until 9pm? Unless you're up and out at that time, unless you see it every night, you would not believe it. It's the drug culture, the bar culture, the dance culture, and in Tempe, it's the "house party culture." These "house parties" are regularly talked about at police shift briefings, they are a part of the culture. The cops will roll up ten car strong on one of them, kids will jump out of the side and back windows of the house, each with cell phone in hand as they speed dial a cab to come and get them out of Dodge. When they are safely in the car they ring up other people at other parties and guess where the cab takes them? Exactly, another house party. Remember Cheers, "where everybody knows your name? Sadly, in this case, think of it this way: "House parties, where nobody knows your name."These kids don't know each other, they're just looking for the booze and the "make out partner". As for 5am, that's exactly the time when we pick these kids up to finally go home. Half dressed and half-witted, they stumble into the cab, and we try and get them home safely. The overnight Society in Tempe, believe it, it exists, especially in the area where Adrienne was walking the day she disappeared.--Cab Guy


So was AS part of this "overnight Society in Tempe"? Her father said she was very responsible. The two contradict each other I'd say.

God, if she was living like that I feel sorry for the dog and two cats that live in her apartment. :( Not fun but a lot of stress for them every weekend.
 
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LE walked the area around AS complex to Hardy, 5th street, Roosevelt and brown where her car was, Jaycee park, all the way up to 7th and then UNI/AMPM.

I remember in a video interview with Pooley, you could see the park in the background and yellow tape around a portion of the play area. I will try and hunt it down.

Hm idk - I hope that LE and Rick were able to get some lead off the video that they didn't want to give up or share. Is that what you mean? If so I never thought of that avenue before. It's entirely possible.

bbm - I see this only now! Yellow tape? Don't they usually put that up when they search a (suspected) crime scene? Why would they yellow-tape that particular play area? They didn't put tape up at other locations they searched, right?
 
  • #94
I feel sorry for her pets too.
The girls I know always take their dogs with them on overnights.

I wasn't always happy about that when I had random dogs staying the night but most were small at least.
Obviously she couldn't always take her pup but if she had I'dhave a little more hope for finding her alive.

Can you take pets across the Mexican border?
I know in Canada they have very strict laws -or did.

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  • #95
So have we talked about what kind of phone she has? If it is an IPhone or a newer Droid-type phone, then chances are they know her exact location when it turned off. That could be one of the things they're not sharing.
 
  • #96
So have we talked about what kind of phone she has? If it is an IPhone or a newer Droid-type phone, then chances are they know her exact location when it turned off. That could be one of the things they're not sharing.

I think I saw it in a picture somewhere -assuming it was hers.... I couldn't tell ya one from another though.

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  • #97
From everything we hear and read in the media, Adrienne was not a druggie, not sketchy in any way...but she certainly did live in a stratified community that took a dramatic change for the worse when the sun went down.--Cab Guy



bbm - I wasn't thinking of that, I didn't know what to think. But what you speculate could certainly be possible.



So was AS part of this "overnight Society in Tempe"? Her father said she was very responsible. The two contradict each other I'd say.

God, if she was living like that I feel sorry for the dog and two cats that live in her apartment. :( Not fun but a lot of stress for them every weekend.
 
  • #98
I think I saw it in a picture somewhere -assuming it was hers.... I couldn't tell ya one from another though.

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Poster AmandaReckonWith has a photo of the phone with the texts. It is not an apple I phone.

Could be a Droid of some sort.
 
  • #99
That's her boyfriend holding his own phone showing the camera and reporter the texts that he and she exchanged that day/night.

However I'd argue that she had at least a smartphone because it autocorrected "over" to "overt".
 
  • #100
Poster AmandaReckonWith has a photo of the phone with the texts. It is not an apple I phone.

Could be a Droid of some sort.

okay cool I saw some texts from June 11. I thought they were in someone elses phone.
When I txt from my phone it says "me" not my name but I guess anyone can change that setting...
eta:
The picture I saw is on her Instsagram acct of her taking a pic of herself in a mirror.
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