AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #6

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  • #881
I don't think LE has any intention of holding any press conferences, at least not unless they make an arrest and/or Adrienne is found. I was surprised they went on the NG show last month, since they did not make any specific requests for help from the public and have not spoken out since, as far as I know.

IMO, they either do not need help, or do not want help, from the public, I hope the former but too often, it seems to be the latter.
 
  • #882
  • #883
Where is this coming from that the cab driver has been cleared? I've seen one article that directly alludes to that, and a couple more that reference that particular article, but no direct quotes from LE in this regard. If I recall correctly, Pooley has stated directly that the boyfriend has been 'ruled out at this time', but I've seen no such mention of the cab driver. In fact, the evening before this article came out, Pooley stated on national television that no one has been ruled out.

There are so many articles with so many discrepancies, misreports, or outright falsehoods that frankly if I don't hear it from LE directly I'm not going to give it much weight.

LE needs to give a press conference. Period.

My bro in law retired from the San Jose PD in California. He went up the ranks from street beat, gangs, drugs, and homicide. I have also had my share of LE involvement with my 1st ex, who was/is a multiple felon.
Without a confession, LE has absolutely no obligation to tell the truth. They will "lie" to the suspects, family, MSM, all in an effort to smoke out the guilty party. They have no obligation to reveal the truth about a polygraph UNLESS the individual is represented by an attorney. The have no obligation to reveal someone is or isn't a suspect UNLESS that individual has legal council.
AS's family on their FB page said LE and FBI were following promising leads as of yesterday...........maybe putting someone's feet over the fire?
What exactly does LE need to solve this case?
1. A body
2. A confession
When a perp thinks they are in the clear, goes about their daily whatever, do they look over their shoulder to see if they are being watched? Aren't they a little more loose in their behavior? Maybe tip their hand to a lie? Say something suspicious?
And then it comes out that LE has promising leads. Will this force the hand of the perp? Maybe the perp will double check his dump site, trophies, crime scene, clean up... the disorganized criminal will often go back to the scene of the crime (google all the sites about criminals returning to the scene of their crime).
Pooley has given NOTHING to the MSM of any value. We know the general area of the disappearance and pings on her cell, but what else? We don't have the clothes, we don't have an exact time of AS's disappearance or where she was or heading to. We don't know if LE believes she made the last 34 calls on her cell. We don't know if they believe she ever left the apt the last time.
Pooley is playing it close to his vest. LE may have had their main suspect within the 1st 2 weeks. Every time there is a neighborhood search, a searched lake, a new set of eyes, dogs brought in, the FBI, a vigil, Tempe LE is watching the reaction of a specific group of people or an individual.
I believe that they think or know that this was not a random abduction. All their effort is being put in the general vicinity of Tempe.
Is there any MSM that actually has the police report? Where are all the party goers? Why haven't they been sought by MSM to opine?
How many times have we seen mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, friends, etc., cry before the media cameras "We only want our missing back" and weeks or months down the line, there they are being lead into the jail with murder charges?
Every LE I've ever encountered has said you have to "think" like a criminal to "catch" a criminal.
Thinking like a criminal, I would NOT take the chance of abducting a person around 5:00 in the vicinity of the AM/PM on Hardy and University on a Saturday morning. I know the area. It is too high risk. There is just enough activity to make a person stand out. The AM/PM, Starbucks, Circle K, the traffic light, 2 main drags, University and Hardy, people starting their day or returning from a late night out, and visibility.
JMO
Compare this to the CA case. MSM almost every night about it until she was found. The J Shockley case played out the same way.
Now you have a good idea of where all my "out of the box" theories are coming from.
As my bro in law always said, "You can't snow the snowman". And he was very good at his job.
 
  • #884
Yeah, lots of time LE is quiet while building a case and other times, quiet because they are stymied. The trouble is, we never know which it is.
 
  • #885
First of all Bernina, fantastic post in its entirety. I agree with pretty much everything you stated.

I snipped this portion to add something to it:

Thinking like a criminal, I would NOT take the chance of abducting a person around 5:00 in the vicinity of the AM/PM on Hardy and University on a Saturday morning. I know the area. It is too high risk. There is just enough activity to make a person stand out. The AM/PM, Starbucks, Circle K, the traffic light, 2 main drags, University and Hardy, people starting their day or returning from a late night out, and visibility.

I agree. I don't think a random abductor would do something so brazen. It's possible, but not likely. However, I don't think the abductor was random in the true sense of the word. I think the perp was either known to her or scheduled by her. If that was Adrienne on that camera, then I feel that she got into that car quite willingly, and that her purpose for doing so was to be driven - by whomever was driving that car - to her boyfriend's joint.
 
  • #886
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If I recall correctly, folks recollected seeing her come in and charge her phone and do a few other things after the accident. They don't recall seeing her leave, if my memory serves me right.


No, but this case has been deemed a kidnapping if I recall correctly.


I get the feeling that some folks aren't very cooperative and haven't been from the beginning. Despite their public appeals to the contrary.

Respectfully, Your recollection is off. No one saw her after she left in her car to head to Scottsdale and got into the wreck.

This case is officially a missing persons, not a kidnapping. LE have not indicated she has been kidnapped and have no suspects in regard to abduction/kidnapping.

And yeah, I get the same feeling as you about folks not being cooperative. I can feel it in my gut. Or maybe I just need to eat and stop doing laundry for like 5 seconds today.
 
  • #887
Her BF said she gave Adrienne her phone when she got out of the car-he got out and handed it to her. I provided a link to this some days ago.

Could the boyfriend have said this in case LE found the phone with his prints on it? "oh, well its because she left the phone in my car so I had to grab it and get my prints on it when handing it to her.". Kinda way?? Did he Need her pink charger at some point ;)

Just an idea. Long shot.
 
  • #888
Respectfully, Your recollection is off. No one saw her after she left in her car to head to Scottsdale and got into the wreck.

I think this is being confused with roomie's statement about seeing her on the lawn and her having packed a bag prior to the wreck. I am getting the dropped-off by BF and post wreck scenarios mixed up as well.

This case is officially a missing persons, not a kidnapping. LE have not indicated she has been kidnapped and have no suspects in regard to abduction/kidnapping.

It was Cab_Guy who stated LE was calling this a "kidnapping". Where that info came from is anyone's guess (only Cab_Guy knows).

And yeah, I get the same feeling as you about folks not being cooperative. I can feel it in my gut. Or maybe I just need to eat and stop doing laundry for like 5 seconds today.

This is something I think the majority of us can agree on, but of course I am only speaking for myself. (The folks/cooperative part, not the laundry/eating part. *wink*)
 
  • #889
Before I hit the sack, and forget what I've pondered and forgotten to post (read all of the "Written in Blood" Dateline episode that is here on WS, 16 pages!)..........
If you have a teen or older kid, when there is an "occasion", everyone is taking pics with their cell phones and posting on FB, tagging the friends they are with, and the establishments, concerts, parties, that their attending.
40+ guests and no one took any pictures over that 2 day party?
That's just odd. My son takes pics of he and his GF eating pizza at some hole in the wall, or waiting in line for a movie. (seems like they're all into Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings) Airports, parties, conventions, class and class mates, camping, portraits in a bathroom mirror.....they all take gobs of pics.
Where are the pics of the 2 day bender? And surely someone would have caught Adrienne in one of them at some point..........with a time stamp and maybe the clothes she changed into.
And why has the witness of the accident never been named or been sought after by MSM for her eye witness account? She just faded away.
That's my burning questions I'll leave you all with, at 1:03 am in Arizona.
Night Sleuthers!
Hoping there'll be some news on Adrienne this morning!!! Getting close to that 2 month mark and I don't believe we can expect anything miraculous. *sigh* Such a beautiful young lady.
Good night!
 
  • #890
I didn't really see much in the way of photos of parties at any gathering before this one either on instagram or anything that had to do with her friends and her. So even though it seems odd maybe for them it wasn't odd? Maybe set to private or something so the public can't see them. Also would LE tell them not to post pictures of this night?
 
  • #891
Before I hit the sack, and forget what I've pondered and forgotten to post (read all of the "Written in Blood" Dateline episode that is here on WS, 16 pages!)..........
If you have a teen or older kid, when there is an "occasion", everyone is taking pics with their cell phones and posting on FB, tagging the friends they are with, and the establishments, concerts, parties, that their attending.
40+ guests and no one took any pictures over that 2 day party?
That's just odd. My son takes pics of he and his GF eating pizza at some hole in the wall, or waiting in line for a movie. (seems like they're all into Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings) Airports, parties, conventions, class and class mates, camping, portraits in a bathroom mirror.....they all take gobs of pics.
Where are the pics of the 2 day bender? And surely someone would have caught Adrienne in one of them at some point..........with a time stamp and maybe the clothes she changed into.
And why has the witness of the accident never been named or been sought after by MSM for her eye witness account? She just faded away.
That's my burning questions I'll leave you all with, at 1:03 am in Arizona.
Night Sleuthers!
Hoping there'll be some news on Adrienne this morning!!! Getting close to that 2 month mark and I don't believe we can expect anything miraculous. *sigh* Such a beautiful young lady.
Good night!

EXCELLENT point! They do take pictures all the time! Even my friends in their 30s- I am camera shy and find that any get together keeps my constantly on my toes to stay out of pics lol! Cause there is constant picture taking and immediate posting on some form of something! Umm... Boston bombers comes to mind. I am guessing that LE is all over this and we just don't know about it. I go back to Skylar Neese and all that was done by the FBI without anyone knowing... allowed those killers enough rope and they hung themselves. Anyway, thanks for pointing that out- anyone know how to check instagram or such? (Obviously I don't lol)
 
  • #892
EXCELLENT point! They do take pictures all the time! Even my friends in their 30s- I am camera shy and find that any get together keeps my constantly on my toes to stay out of pics lol! Cause there is constant picture taking and immediate posting on some form of something! Umm... Boston bombers comes to mind. I am guessing that LE is all over this and we just don't know about it. I go back to Skylar Neese and all that was done by the FBI without anyone knowing... allowed those killers enough rope and they hung themselves. Anyway, thanks for pointing that out- anyone know how to check instagram or such? (Obviously I don't lol)

"Insta-what?" :floorlaugh:
I was chained to a pager and one of those "portfolio" cell phones back in the early 90's because of my job...........i have never had a cell phone since :rockon:
Although the idea of getting 7-8 of them together to pop pop corn sounded like a pretty cool experiment.
 
  • #893
Me either and it's killing me!
There is stuff I can't say because it might look like I am pointing fingers at people. - while I am not.
Just theories to consider...
I am playing it safe and praying
Something breaks soon!!
We know that the bf and the cabbie are cleared - everything else is still on the table. - per Sgt. Pooley

We can Only use statements that we can back up with msm -
If msm hasn't mentioned it we can't either.

I will say backing up the bf...IMO He and Adrienne had apparently cooled it off somewhat in the weeks before this happened.

I base this on comments I read from her instagram acct.
She appeared to be somewhat heart broken... :(

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BBM

Can you explain further why you feel she was heart broken based on her instagram account? I checked it out briefly and nothing jumps out at me but maybe I'm missing something. I did notice that there were no pics of her boyfriend, at least in the first several photos that I viewed.
 
  • #894
Before I hit the sack, and forget what I've pondered and forgotten to post (read all of the "Written in Blood" Dateline episode that is here on WS, 16 pages!)..........
If you have a teen or older kid, when there is an "occasion", everyone is taking pics with their cell phones and posting on FB, tagging the friends they are with, and the establishments, concerts, parties, that their attending.
40+ guests and no one took any pictures over that 2 day party?
That's just odd. My son takes pics of he and his GF eating pizza at some hole in the wall, or waiting in line for a movie. (seems like they're all into Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings) Airports, parties, conventions, class and class mates, camping, portraits in a bathroom mirror.....they all take gobs of pics.
Where are the pics of the 2 day bender? And surely someone would have caught Adrienne in one of them at some point..........with a time stamp and maybe the clothes she changed into.
And why has the witness of the accident never been named or been sought after by MSM for her eye witness account? She just faded away.
That's my burning questions I'll leave you all with, at 1:03 am in Arizona.
Night Sleuthers!
Hoping there'll be some news on Adrienne this morning!!! Getting close to that 2 month mark and I don't believe we can expect anything miraculous. *sigh* Such a beautiful young lady.
Good night!

BBM

Excellent point!

There are a number of ways that people announce where they are and what they are doing... Facebook check-in/statuses/photos, Instagram photos, Tweets, etc. It would be extraordinary if not a single person, in that age group, posted something on their social media.

My guess is that people did, and they have now set their profiles to private or the police have asked them to hide the information due to the on-going investigation. Even if that is the case though, it's still extremely odd that nobody has outed any pics or postings from that weekend.

IMO
 
  • #895
I'm kind of repeating myself here, and repeating some thoughts from other posters....

But I'd like to summarize what I feel are the important points to focus on:

1. Not a single person saw her after she left her apartment in her car to go back to her boyfriend's house

2. The witness who saw her car driving erratically and crash, shortly after she left the apartment, may have seen 2 people in the car

3. Her car was abandoned 1/4 mile away from her apartment and nobody saw her return to the apartment, although there were several people partying at the apartment until 5am. It's not reasonable that nobody saw her if she did actually return.

4. She was communicating with a cab company from approximately 4:20am thru 5:00am but from where? She likely wasn't at the apartment since nobody saw her there, and she asked the driver to pick her up at AM/PM, so that leads you to believe she was somewhere else. Where was she for those 45 or so minutes?

5. The clothing she was wearing from that night, her wallet and car key were all found at the apartment, yet supposedly she had those items on her when she originally left in the car to go back to her boyfriend's house and nobody saw her after that. How did those items get returned to the apartment without anybody noticing? Remember, she shares a room with a roommate and their apartment is not large.

Because of these points, I really feel that the car crash plays a big role in this mystery. I don't tend to believe that it's just another event in the course of this night. Of course, this is just my theory.
 
  • #896
We do not know that no one saw her out walking around. People may have contacted LE, they would not announce it.

Also a poster looked up a diagram of the apartment floor plan and said that it would not be that difficult to get in and out without being seen for what it is worth, I believe.
 
  • #897
I'm kind of repeating myself here, and repeating some thoughts from other posters....

But I'd like to summarize what I feel are the important points to focus on:

1. Not a single person saw her after she left her apartment in her car to go back to her boyfriend's house

2. The witness who saw her car driving erratically and crash, shortly after she left the apartment, may have seen 2 people in the car

3. Her car was abandoned 1/4 mile away from her apartment and nobody saw her return to the apartment, although there were several people partying at the apartment until 5am. It's not reasonable that nobody saw her if she did actually return.

4. She was communicating with a cab company from approximately 4:20am thru 5:00am but from where? She likely wasn't at the apartment since nobody saw her there, and she asked the driver to pick her up at AM/PM, so that leads you to believe she was somewhere else. Where was she for those 45 or so minutes?

5. The clothing she was wearing from that night, her wallet and car key were all found at the apartment, yet supposedly she had those items on her when she originally left in the car to go back to her boyfriend's house and nobody saw her after that. How did those items get returned to the apartment without anybody noticing? Remember, she shares a room with a roommate and their apartment is not large.

Because of these points, I really feel that the car crash plays a big role in this mystery. I don't tend to believe that it's just another event in the course of this night. Of course, this is just my theory.

So well put! I agree on every point. Right there with you.

And to help others who might be confused about the last time RF saw AS on the lawn:

RF saw Adrienne sitting infront of her apartment on the grass "quietly upset" BEFORE seeing Adrienne head inside to the party/apartment to pack her bag and subsequently leave In her car for Scottsdale.

This would be the last time SD and the partygoers saw Adrienne - when she left in her car for Scottsdale.

Anything after her driving away from the party/her apartment to Scottsdale is up in the air as far as eyewitness testimony is concerned (*BESIDES the 911 caller who initially thought she saw 2 people in Adrienne's car immediately following the wreck*)
 
  • #898
Maybe the 911 caller is going along with LEs investigation and is redacting her statement publicly (that two people were in the car) - to help LE throw off any suspect who might actually have been in that car with Adrienne that night? Make that suspect think he is in the clear - trip him up?

We talk so much about Rick maybe saying it wasn't Adrienne in the video to go along with LEs wishes. Why wouldn't the 911 caller help them with this same tactic as well?

I think LE is trying to play some partygoers/suspects game against them. They want to lie by omission, so will LE. Art of war.
 
  • #899
If LE has possible witnesses saying they saw Adrienne walking around between 4-5am, on her phone, this could be why they seem to believe she did go home and change clothes and leave her wallet and keys. One would think that with so many people in and out of the apartment, someone may have told LE they saw her out there but it was of little help, as far as what happened after that.

IMO we can't assume that no one saw her just because LE isn't saying; they have not said a word in several weeks.
 
  • #900
Could the boyfriend have said this in case LE found the phone with his prints on it? "oh, well its because she left the phone in my car so I had to grab it and get my prints on it when handing it to her.". Kinda way?? Did he Need her pink charger at some point ;)

Just an idea. Long shot.

I wouldn't be surprised to find his prints on it. I grab my hubby's phone all the time - it takes better pics and has better photo editing.
I just email the pictures to myself and save them on my phone.

AS - posted a "blue" picture.
She also posted about some relationship problems. I assumed it was about this bf then it hit me! How do we know it wasn't another boy? - we don't.

**My questions for the day...

The 911 caller that reported the accident... Have they been asked not to discuss the accident?
Has their voice been played for the cabbie to compare to the voice of who called for the cab ride?

I wonder if anyone else saw this happen, say from the other lane.
What if there was never any wreck? We know the airbags didn't deploy if the car was driven anywhere. (I know certain accidents wouldn't cause them to deploy. )
Could the car have just been disabled to look like it had been wrecked?

Which two tires was it. I have heard the front two and both on the passenger side. Was the car parked so that damage to the passenger side tire damage wouldn't be easily seen?

What is the story with 5th street?


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