AZ AZ - Allison Feldman, 31, Scottsdale, 18 Feb 2015 #2

[MissD]

More random thoughts, before I forget them:

After looking at the house last night the following things occurred to me. Even if it was dark and the surveillance cam only picked up the 'shape' of the perp when he left, LE still has that shape to work with. I would imagine (hope I'm correct) that this video has been sent off to the most sophisticated lab SPD can find (FBI?) to help edit or enhance that shape so they might have a better chance of identifying the perp.

But regardless, let's say they can't make a clear ID, still I would think they would be able to tell if the perp had a backpack on similar to the one in the B&E burglar the news put out a video of recently who has broken into some houses nearby. I would think they could tell by the shape if there was a backpack. Or if they were carrying something, like her handbag or a sack of things.

For those of you who may be unaware, on Allison's recent trip to Paris she purchased a new Gucci Handbag and was seen in photos carrying a very nice Louis Vuitton handbag. She liked nice designer purses.

There are photos online that show her at the Gucci store in Paris with her purse in the bag. She was so happy.

Any professional burglar would know these purses are worth a whole lot of money! Thousands of dollars. You can search Craigslist and eBay and see how much used ones are bringing. Basically the same amount as new ones.

So I don't think the perp (if it was a burglar) stole her purse. And I can't see any burglar breaking into a house and murdering someone and then taking their bracelet, some other jewelry, cell phone and credit cards.

The cell phone probably wasn't in her purse. I'm thinking it's possible she might have had her iPhone 6 in one of those little carry cases that are so popular with a place to keep a couple of credit cards as well. If the perp wanted the phone he wouldn't have stopped to take it out of the case imo.

Why take any jewelry? To make it look like a robbery? For sentimental reasons? Because he gave it to her? (Someone from her past theory) To sell on the street for a few bucks to buy drugs? (Transient, homeless person theory) To keep as a souveneir? (moronic sex-crazed neighbor teenager theory)

I can't think of any scenario in which a professional burglar would take anything at all if he entered the house and was surprised by someone fighting him like Allison did her attacker. I would think he would just get the hell out of there as quickly as possible without even harming her. But if he couldn't get away and he did wind up murdering her I can't see him taking anything at all that might in any way tie him to the crime.

The only thing that makes any sense (if anything does at all) is that someone tried a lame effort to make it look like a robbery. And IMO only someone who knew her would have done this.

Okay...that's it folks. I'm going to go have a life this weekend now.

CIAO for now!

:seeya:

 

[Dee20912]

More random thoughts, before I forget them:

After looking at the house last night the following things occurred to me. Even if it was dark and the surveillance cam only picked up the 'shape' of the perp when he left, LE still has that shape to work with. I would imagine (hope I'm correct) that this video has been sent off to the most sophisticated lab SPD can find (FBI?) to help edit or enhance that shape so they might have a better chance of identifying the perp.

But regardless, let's say they can't make a clear ID, still I would think they would be able to tell if the perp had a backpack on similar to the one in the B&E burglar the news put out a video of recently who has broken into some houses nearby. I would think they could tell by the shape if there was a backpack. Or if they were carrying something, like her handbag or a sack of things.

For those of you who may be unaware, on Allison's recent trip to Paris she purchased a new Gucci Handbag and was seen in photos carrying a very nice Louis Vuitton handbag. She liked nice designer purses.

There are photos online that show her at the Gucci store in Paris with her purse in the bag. She was so happy.

Any professional burglar would know these purses are worth a whole lot of money! Thousands of dollars. You can search Craigslist and eBay and see how much used ones are bringing. Basically the same amount as new ones.

So I don't think the perp (if it was a burglar) stole her purse. And I can't see any burglar breaking into a house and murdering someone and then taking their bracelet, some other jewelry, cell phone and credit cards.

The cell phone probably wasn't in her purse. I'm thinking it's possible she might have had her iPhone 6 in one of those little carry cases that are so popular with a place to keep a couple of credit cards as well. If the perp wanted the phone he wouldn't have stopped to take it out of the case imo.

Why take any jewelry? To make it look like a robbery? For sentimental reasons? Because he gave it to her? (Someone from her past theory) To sell on the street for a few bucks to buy drugs? (Transient, homeless person theory) To keep as a souveneir? (moronic sex-crazed neighbor teenager theory)

I can't think of any scenario in which a professional burglar would take anything at all if he entered the house and was surprised by someone fighting him like Allison did her attacker. I would think he would just get the hell out of there as quickly as possible without even harming her. But if he couldn't get away and he did wind up murdering her I can't see him taking anything at all that might in any way tie him to the crime.

The only thing that makes any sense (if anything does at all) is that someone tried a lame effort to make it look like a robbery. And IMO only someone who knew her would have done this.

Okay...that's it folks. I'm going to go have a life this weekend now.

CIAO for now!

:seeya:

Absolutely! That is a great observation! I am not sure it rules out things like a serial rapist (although LE says this isn't the case), but either way, I agree completely. This was a lame effort to make it look like a robbery.

 

[SweetT]

To be perfectly honest, I would have been disappointed to have received that little grocery store bunch of Tulips we saw in the photo. They seem like an "after thought". Not like a first romantic Valentine's Day spent together by two people very much in love.

I know some may not agree but I'm just being honest about my own feelings. Red roses are the traditional Valentine's Day flower of ultimate love and romance.

Guys really need to go to Charm School to learn these things.

I'd rather have a Tiffany bracelet that's for sure !

 

[cluciano63]

So dark that it seems odd someone would even see the BF leave, almost.

 

[Bernina]

Burglars are going to take stuff that's more bang for the buck and easily put in pockets or a back pack. Mainly jewelry/cash. They'll easily bypass $$$$ purses because they're going to be hard to fence, and if they get stopped by LE, it's kinda hard to explain why they have a woman's purse on them.
FWIW, what LE has said was taken would be typical for a burglar.........the credit cards would just be casualties of taking a wallet, and jewelry would be standard. (If this was just a burglary, the perp would have stayed in the residence 5-7 minutes tops, 3 would be more like it: check the freezer, <---seriously<---, kitchen counter, entry way, bedroom for jewelry box, and maybe the main bathroom if the perp is looking for prescription drugs)

What do you guys think should have been taken if it WAS a bonafide burglary, ala "cat burglar"? Remember, it's tract homes (remodeled), shared fences, an un-obscured front yard, and an alley that most residents would hear a vehicle in and might just check it out because it was night. The burglar has to take what he can put in his pockets and possibly a back pack, think "small, but expensive".

I know, I'm driving you guys nuts with all the "burglary gone wrong" scenario. What if she did wake up, surprise the perp, and DID recognize him from the neighborhood? LE said the perp may BE from the neighborhood.

Again, "ah, just shut up already, Bernina!" :floorlaugh:

 

[nancydrew71]

So dark that it seems odd someone would even see the BF leave, almost.

They would see him drive away with his headlights on.

 

[MaryS]

Did anyone else read AF fathers post on his FB page from...I believe it was March 13th?

 

[nancydrew71]

Burglars are going to take stuff that's more bang for the buck and easily put in pockets or a back pack. Mainly jewelry/cash. They'll easily bypass $$$$ purses because they're going to be hard to fence, and if they get stopped by LE, it's kinda hard to explain why they have a woman's purse on them.
FWIW, what LE has said was taken would be typical for a burglar.........the credit cards would just be casualties of taking a wallet, and jewelry would be standard. (If this was just a burglary, the perp would have stayed in the residence 5-7 minutes tops, 3 would be more like it: check the freezer, <---seriously<---, kitchen counter, entry way, bedroom for jewelry box, and maybe the main bathroom if the perp is looking for prescription drugs)

What do you guys think should have been taken if it WAS a bonafide burglary, ala "cat burglar"? Remember, it's tract homes (remodeled), shared fences, an un-obscured front yard, and an alley that most residents would hear a vehicle in and might just check it out because it was night. The burglar has to take what he can put in his pockets and possibly a back pack, think "small, but expensive".

I know, I'm driving you guys nuts with all the "burglary gone wrong" scenario. What if she did wake up, surprise the perp, and DID recognize him from the neighborhood? LE said the perp may BE from the neighborhood.

Again, "ah, just shut up already, Bernina!" :floorlaugh:

That's a possibility!

 

[tarabull]

Did anyone else read AF fathers post on his FB page from...I believe it was March 13th?

:yes: I did...what do U make of it MaryS?

 

[MissD]

I'd rather have a Tiffany bracelet that's for sure !

haha! SweetT! Funny girl!

:great:

 

[MissD]

Burglars are going to take stuff that's more bang for the buck and easily put in pockets or a back pack. Mainly jewelry/cash. They'll easily bypass $$$$ purses because they're going to be hard to fence, and if they get stopped by LE, it's kinda hard to explain why they have a woman's purse on them.
FWIW, what LE has said was taken would be typical for a burglar.........the credit cards would just be casualties of taking a wallet, and jewelry would be standard. (If this was just a burglary, the perp would have stayed in the residence 5-7 minutes tops, 3 would be more like it: check the freezer, <---seriously<---, kitchen counter, entry way, bedroom for jewelry box, and maybe the main bathroom if the perp is looking for prescription drugs)

What do you guys think should have been taken if it WAS a bonafide burglary, ala "cat burglar"? Remember, it's tract homes (remodeled), shared fences, an un-obscured front yard, and an alley that most residents would hear a vehicle in and might just check it out because it was night. The burglar has to take what he can put in his pockets and possibly a back pack, think "small, but expensive".

I know, I'm driving you guys nuts with all the "burglary gone wrong" scenario. What if she did wake up, surprise the perp, and DID recognize him from the neighborhood? LE said the perp may BE from the neighborhood.

Again, "ah, just shut up already, Bernina!" :floorlaugh:

LOL! You are too much! Don't ever stop ... you are so entertaining! :clap::clap::clap:

PS: Where was your ex on February 17th & 18th, 2015? Do you think he might have done it?

:laughcry:

 

[MissD]

Okay....I almost got a life! But my head keeps spinning me back to here.

It's a scary thing knowing you're doing something you shouldn't be doing....thinking you could be caught....thinking the cops might show up any minute!

I just had to add one more thought I have as a result of being there in last night's darkness, and feeling like I shouldn't be there at all. Wondering and worrying if someone was going to see me, thinking the cops might show up anytime wondering why I was there.

The timeframe that LE thinks the murderer might have been in Allison's home is 8:00 p.m. Tuesday the 17th to 1:05 a.m. Wednesday the 18th. That is 5 hours.

Five hours is a VERY VERY long time to be in a house with someone you have murdered when you don't know if anyone saw anything (like your arrival) or heard anything (like her screaming or an argument). Even if there was no screaming, still you would wonder if someone might have seen you when you went into the home.

You wouldn't know for sure. Even if you thought no one saw you, you would still be worried that someone might have been looking out there window, walking down the street, that somehow someone saw you.

So while you were in that house, with the victim you had murdered you would surely be very frightened that the cops might have been called. That someone might show up at any minute.

Leaving at any time would be risky. This was on a Tuesday night and on any night, some people might be out and about, walking their dogs, just taking a stroll, driving by. You could be spotted leaving a murder scene.

But you couldn't stay there. That would be a given. At some point in time you would have to leave.

So, knowing this, you could choose a time you feel most people would be in their homes, sleeping, not on the streets or even driving by. You would be anxious to get out of that house. And so you would probably choose the soonest time you feel you could safely leave.

1:00 a.m. That would be the soonest. IMO (Video caught him leaving at 1:05 a.m.)

This would most likely not be a burglar who is experienced at entering and leaving without being seen. This would be someone who was not accustomed to situations like this, so to speak.

The fact that the suspect is thought to have been in Allison's home as early as 8:00 p.m. tells us a lot.

Most burglars are not going to break and enter that early, especially if they think the suspect is at home. They will either break into a home during the daytime when no one is at home or very late at night while the residents are sleeping. (Home invasion.)

The fact that no vehicle was reported to have been seen there by anyone of the neighbors is not all that surprising. Just because no one reported seeing one doesn't mean it wasn't there.

And on a Tuesday night, when most people are already 'in for the night' it wouldn't be surprising if no one on her street was out or about to even notice if a car was parked there. And if they did they might not have even remembered it because there would have been no reason for them to think it was suspicious.

Especially if that car was there often. Or had been there earlier in the day.

PS: I wonder why it hasn't been reported if the neighbor's surveillance cam caught 'anyone else' coming or going that day. On Tuesday. Or on Monday. Or other times before that even.

I'll betcha that surveillance camera can tell us a whole, whole, whole lot of stuff !!! In fact I'm sure it could answer our questions about what time the bf left the house after she kicked him out to go home and study, etc.

Hmmmmmmmmm......

:thinking:

 

[MissD]

Did anyone else read AF fathers post on his FB page from...I believe it was March 13th?

Yes MaryS! I read it and found it quite interesting. Also, I noticed that now he has made his FB page private.

I wonder if when he was here for Allison's memorial service around March 22nd, if he learned anything new from LE?

I wonder what his thoughts are now.

:thinking:

 

[Bernina]

LOL! You are too much! Don't ever stop ... you are so entertaining! :clap::clap::clap:

PS: Where was your ex on February 17th & 18th, 2015? Do you think he might have done it?

:laughcry:

Actually, he lives in San Jose, California, has a pretty blown out liver and struggling with Hep C. He has definitely lived more than his 9 lives and I don't know how he's cheated death. Haven't talked to him in maybe 3 years, but talk to his sister, who was actually my foster sister growing up. (It's a Mormon thing, take in those less fortunate)
Sometimes it's better not to go backwards, our marriage was the best of the best and the worst of the worst. But wouldn't change it, helped make me into the person I am.
If he WAS in Scottsdale, he'd be hard pressed trying to pull something off like this in a wheelchair.
Classic "Live by the sword, die by the sword".

 

[Bernina]

Okay....I almost got a life! But my head keeps spinning me back to here.

It's a scary thing knowing you're doing something you shouldn't be doing....thinking you could be caught....thinking the cops might show up any minute!

I just had to add one more thought I have as a result of being there in last night's darkness, and feeling like I shouldn't be there at all. Wondering and worrying if someone was going to see me, thinking the cops might show up anytime wondering why I was there.

The timeframe that LE thinks the murderer might have been in Allison's home is 8:00 p.m. Tuesday the 17th to 1:05 a.m. Wednesday the 18th. That is 5 hours.

Five hours is a VERY VERY long time to be in a house with someone you have murdered when you don't know if anyone saw anything (like your arrival) or heard anything (like her screaming or an argument). Even if there was no screaming, still you would wonder if someone might have seen you when you went into the home.

You wouldn't know for sure. Even if you thought no one saw you, you would still be worried that someone might have been looking out there window, walking down the street, that somehow someone saw you.

So while you were in that house, with the victim you had murdered you would surely be very frightened that the cops might have been called. That someone might show up at any minute.

Leaving at any time would be risky. This was on a Tuesday night and on any night, some people might be out and about, walking their dogs, just taking a stroll, driving by. You could be spotted leaving a murder scene.

But you couldn't stay there. That would be a given. At some point in time you would have to leave.

So, knowing this, you could choose a time you feel most people would be in their homes, sleeping, not on the streets or even driving by. You would be anxious to get out of that house. And so you would probably choose the soonest time you feel you could safely leave.

1:00 a.m. That would be the soonest. IMO (Video caught him leaving at 1:05 a.m.)

This would most likely not be a burglar who is experienced at entering and leaving without being seen. This would be someone who was not accustomed to situations like this, so to speak.

The fact that the suspect is thought to have been in Allison's home as early as 8:00 p.m. tells us a lot.

Most burglars are not going to break and enter that early, especially if they think the suspect is at home. They will either break into a home during the daytime when no one is at home or very late at night while the residents are sleeping. (Home invasion.)

The fact that no vehicle was reported to have been seen there by anyone of the neighbors is not all that surprising. Just because no one reported seeing one doesn't mean it wasn't there.

And on a Tuesday night, when most people are already 'in for the night' it wouldn't be surprising if no one on her street was out or about to even notice if a car was parked there. And if they did they might not have even remembered it because there would have been no reason for them to think it was suspicious.

Especially if that car was there often. Or had been there earlier in the day.

PS: I wonder why it hasn't been reported if the neighbor's surveillance cam caught 'anyone else' coming or going that day. On Tuesday. Or on Monday. Or other times before that even.

I'll betcha that surveillance camera can tell us a whole, whole, whole lot of stuff !!! In fact I'm sure it could answer our questions about what time the bf left the house after she kicked him out to go home and study, etc.

Hmmmmmmmmm......

:thinking:

Could it be that the perp came in from the alley, and left via the front door, and that's why security video didn't pick him up?
I wonder if there's a correlation with a B & E suspect who only hits homes on New Moons?

Ok, I just slapped myself..........carry on! :floorlaugh:

BUT: Because AF was found within hours, neighbors would have had very recent recollection of the day before. They didn't have to rack their minds for something that they may have seen a week before.

 

[Indy Anna]

Honestly, I can't even imagine a burglar not being scared under these circumstances.

I have read that burglars prefer some light. Light creates shadows, places where they can hide. A little light they can see to move around in.

There is much debate on this subject due to the dark sky ordinance.

BBM Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Looking at the pictures you posted (thank you!), I imagined a burglar stumbling around, bumping into the brick wall, trying with much effort to find the door or a window (and, at that, a door or window that was open or could be pried open), tripping over a rock or shrub, etc. The thought gave me a flashback to college when I was moving to a new dormitory. The lights in the hallway of my new dorm were out at the time, and even during an early hour it was nearly pitch black. I remember my friend who was helping me move feeling the numbers hanging on the doors with her hands to try to locate my room. Lol

So, with very little light from the new moon, I think someone had to be familiar with Allison's neighborhood and layout of her house. The darkness gave them opportunity to move about unnoticed. But, I would think the perp would need a flashlight to see well enough and it seems that would draw the attention of neighbors. Maybe, though, the neighbors habitually retired early for the night and the perp was aware of that. Makes me wonder if he might have rang the doorbell (does the house have a doorbell?), hid in the shadows and then overpowered Allison when she answered the door. Would she have gone to the door late at night? I'm thinking someone she talked to/ texted with arranged a visit and that is why the perp took her cell phone. MOO

 

[MissD]

Could it be that the perp came in from the alley, and left via the front door, and that's why security video didn't pick him up?
I wonder if there's a correlation with a B & E suspect who only hits homes on New Moons?

Ok, I just slapped myself..........carry on! :floorlaugh:

BUT: Because AF was found within hours, neighbors would have had very recent recollection of the day before. They didn't have to rack their minds for something that they may have seen a week before.

But if he came in from the alley why wouldn't he leave via the alley? Much less likely to be spotted, right?

I can't remember what I saw this morning, much less last night.

:gaah:

 

[MissD]

BBM Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Looking at the pictures you posted (thank you!), I imagined a burglar stumbling around, bumping into the brick wall, trying with much effort to find the door or a window (and, at that, a door or window that was open or could be pried open), tripping over a rock or shrub, etc. The thought gave me a flashback to college when I was moving to a new dormitory. The lights in the hallway of my new dorm were out at the time, and even during an early hour it was nearly pitch black. I remember my friend who was helping me move feeling the numbers hanging on the doors with her hands to try to locate my room. Lol

So, with very little light from the new moon, I think someone had to be familiar with Allison's neighborhood and layout of her house. The darkness gave them opportunity to move about unnoticed. But, I would think the perp would need a flashlight to see well enough and it seems that would draw the attention of neighbors. Maybe, though, the neighbors habitually retired early for the night and the perp was aware of that. Makes me wonder if he might have rang the doorbell (does the house have a doorbell?), hid in the shadows and then overpowered Allison when she answered the door. Would she have gone to the door late at night? I'm thinking someone she talked to/ texted with arranged a visit and that is why the perp took her cell phone. MOO

You're welcome, IndyAnna

BBM:

Well, we don't actually know what time she went to the door, do we? We know that her iPhone was disabled around 8:00 p.m. The perp could have actually come sooner and everything went well until....and then the phone was snatched, turned off, thrown in the toilet, smashed, whatever happened to it.

Maybe the perp was someone she knew, had a relationship with (whatever kind), and didn't come there with the intent to kill her but things got out of hand. A disagreement, heated argument, anger over rejection......the list goes on.

I like your reasoning.

 

[SophieRose]

Could it be that the perp came in from the alley, and left via the front door, and that's why security video didn't pick him up?
I wonder if there's a correlation with a B & E suspect who only hits homes on New Moons?

Ok, I just slapped myself..........carry on! :floorlaugh:

BUT: Because AF was found within hours, neighbors would have had very recent recollection of the day before. They didn't have to rack their minds for something that they may have seen a week before.

I had thought that too about that back alley and 8 pm time (used because last time texted or phoned. Posted a picture of it from google maps in the daytime Could also explain why they think he could live in the neighborhood. I wouldn't rule anyone out.

 

[Bernina]

But if he came in from the alley why wouldn't he leave via the alley? Much less likely to be spotted, right?

I can't remember what I saw this morning, much less last night.

:gaah:

At 1:00 am, who's going to be up and about on a week night? And being as dark as it was, he assumed any security camera wouldn't pic him up. (Do they have restrictions on what range security cameras can pick up in Scottsdale? Hmmm...)
Just going by what LE said, they have him leaving at 1:05, but they never mentioned when he got there. They also have the BF leaving prior. So...kind of stands to reason that he wasn't caught on tape going in because he came through the alley.