GUILTY AZ - Colin Brough, 20, killed, 3 injured in NAU shooting, Flagstaff, 9 Oct 2015

[Bernina]

The student is 18 years old. No way was that handgun legal!

This sounds like the work of a ****/criminal proving his was a tough guy by carrying an illegal gun around. I have a feeling we may not learn much about the shooter but they should at least show pics of all the parties involved, I do believe that will cause speculation.

Why wouldn't it be legal? Minors can own a fire arm with a parents permission and an 18 year old doesn't need permission, they are adults.
Arizona is "gun friendly".
Could this have been a situation of criminal activity? Quite possibly: 1:20 am on a Friday morning, 4 men, college town known for having "snow" year round among other things, and easy access to alcohol, regardless of your age.

Just have to wait for the full investigation.

 

[JLSChook]

I'll probably catch he77 for this but this was not a "school shooting".

This was a shooting AT a school. Big difference. But, hey...let's not let facts get in the way, media. :facepalm:

I hate MSM most of the time. :censored:

 

[Sonya610]

Photo of murder victim:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...northern-arizona-university-article-1.2391149

 

[Bernina]

Sonya, your quote is for a conceal carry (CCW) permit. You don't have to have one in Arizona unless you plan to take it across State lines to a state that has reciprocity with Arizona and you must be 21, but you can openly carry a weapon at age 18.
Guns taken on to campuses of higher learning have to be unloaded and secured.
The shooter did violate the gun restrictions of NAU if I understand it correctly. He could store it in his room, but carrying it on campus is against policy.

 

[Sonya610]

Why wouldn't it be legal? Minors can own a fire arm with a parents permission and an 18 year old doesn't need permission, they are adults.
Arizona is "gun friendly".

I posted AZ law when I made the comment. The student "pulled out a handgun" during the confrontation, it is illegal for an 18 year old to carry a concealed firearm in AZ.

Also articles say AZ does not allow weapons on campus.

 

[Bernina]

Gun laws in Arizona from a non-Az source, pretty accurate as far as I can tell:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/arizona.pdf

 

[Bernina]

I posted AZ law when I made the comment. The student "pulled out a handgun" during the confrontation, it is illegal for an 18 year old to carry a concealed firearm in AZ.

"Pulled out a handgun".....from a holster? His pants? A jacket? Could have even been from a vehicle.....
Too ambiguous, too early in the investigation, and LE and the campus are being put on the spot to make statements.
We don't know if it met the standards of CCW or it was open carry.

 

[Sonya610]

Sonya, your quote is for a conceal carry (CCW) permit.

But he couldn't have it on campus to begin with. He wasn't open carrying, he pulled it OUT before the shooting.

BTW I found photos of the shooter....oh lordy...it is not good. :notgood:

http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/steve...t-photos-pictures-instagram-tumblr-twitter/4/

 

[Bernina]

All I can say is "killer" is not being used by LE or MSM, they're using "shooter", "suspect", so even THEY aren't jumping to conclusions until they finish their investigation.
The suspect is looking at charges for violating school policy at the least, anything beyond that will happen after the investigation is completed.

 

[Sonya610]

All I can say is "killer" is not being used by LE or MSM, they're using "shooter", "suspect", so even THEY aren't jumping to conclusions until they finish their investigation.

Look at the link I just posted above. I am a gun owner and those photos make me cringe.

Even if he was "in fear for the lives of his friends" so he ran and got a weapon and started acting in defense of lives he shot FOUR people. Unless all four were carrying deadly weapons this is going to be a complete mess.

Plus reports say the fight broke out after a party, so drinking may have been involved.

 

[Bernina]

But he couldn't have it on campus to begin with. He wasn't open carrying, he pulled it OUT before the shooting.

BTW I found photos of the shooter....oh lordy...it is not good. :notgood:

http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/steve...t-photos-pictures-instagram-tumblr-twitter/4/

Well, here's his FB page: https://www.facebook.com/wasdafg

BTW: the photo from your link was taken at an indoor shooting range, shooting a automatic weapon.........nothing to say he owned one. You need a federal license.

 

[Sonya610]

Well, here's his FB page: https://www.facebook.com/wasdafg

BTW: the photo from your link was taken at an indoor shooting range, "first time" shooting a automatic weapon.........nothing to say he owned one. You need a federal license.

FB page has been taken down.

Bernina the photos look very bad, kwim? The whole nation is still buzzing about the Oregon shooting and now this? With those photos?

If it turns out it was all legal and "justified" it will be a miracle.

The news states other students tackled him, and this happened after a party. Just doesn't sound like a good/legal shoot at all IMO.

 

[Bernina]

Look at the link I just posted above. I am a gun owner and those photos make me cringe.

Even if he was "in fear for the lives of his friends" so he ran and got a weapon and started acting in defense of lives he shot FOUR people. Unless all four were carrying deadly weapons this is going to be a complete mess.

Plus reports say the fight broke out after a party, so drinking may have been involved.

Native Arizonan, living in Arizona, gun owner. It's the "perception" of the shooter. There is no duty to retreat. The 4 didn't have to be carrying "deadly weapons". Like I posted, it's far too early to make a judgement.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/00411.htm

13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention; applicability
A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section 13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904 or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1 and 2.
B. There is no duty to retreat before threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force justified by subsection A of this section.
C. A person is presumed to be acting reasonably for the purposes of this section if the person is acting to prevent what the person reasonably believes is the imminent or actual commission of any of the offenses listed in subsection A of this section.
D. This section includes the use or threatened use of physical force or deadly physical force in a person's home, residence, place of business, land the person owns or leases, conveyance of any kind, or any other place in this state where a person has a right to be.

 

[Bernina]

FB page has been taken down.

Bernina the photos look very bad, kwim? The whole nation is still buzzing about the Oregon shooting and now this? With those photos?

If it turns out it was all legal and "justified" it will be a miracle.

The news states other students tackled him, and this happened after a party. Just doesn't sound like a good/legal shoot at all IMO.

We'll just have to wait and see.
His FB page read like a pretty well adjusted young man. Interactions with what looked like family, relatives and friends. A pretty fun sense of humor. Some "normal" people are excited about taking pics with weapons......I have to admit, if I get the opportunity to shoot a .50 cal, I'd be hard pressed NOT to have someone take a picture, it's just something I'd like to do someday. It would be an achievement just being able to pull the trigger because I'm all of 5'1, 104 lbs soaking wet.

The pics don't concern me, it's how they're being presented that does. Swaying public opinion. Haven't seen the trademark "manifesto" that is so prevalent to mass shooters, but I'm sure MSM is looking for one.

The victims' families have to be devastated. You don't send your kid to college and expect this to happen.
Feel terrible for all those involved.

 

[bluesneakers]

FB page has been taken down.

Bernina the photos look very bad, kwim? The whole nation is still buzzing about the Oregon shooting and now this? With those photos?

If it turns out it was all legal and "justified" it will be a miracle.

The news states other students tackled him, and this happened after a party. Just doesn't sound like a good/legal shoot at all IMO.

It's still working for me.

His March 14th, 2013 post probably wasn't so creepy at the time but now feels very wrong.

 

[Sonya610]

There is no duty to retreat.

In order to use the "no duty to retreat" defense should it go to a court of law you had better show you did NOT HELP ESCALATE the conflict! Obviously in most cases such as robbery or a home invasion escalation isn't an issue.

An example escalation might be college kids drinking at a party and then getting into an argument which lead to a scuffle. If someone engaged in that and THEN felt the need to defend themselves with deadly force the chances of them using the "no duty to retreat" defense is weak at best. If they shot folks that were unarmed they are really really in trouble.

The prosecution would argue that the defendant CHOSE to get into a fight and then used a weapon when it became apparent he was losing the fight.

 

[bluesneakers]

I'll probably catch he77 for this but this was not a "school shooting".

This was a shooting AT a school. Big difference. But, hey...let's not let facts get in the way, media. :facepalm:

I hate MSM most of the time. :censored:

No, it doesn't sound like the same thing AT ALL. Sensationalism gets the clicks though. JMO.

I'm going to avoid MSM and rely on WS for details for awhile.

 

[dotr]

Getting confused, is this yet another shooting near a school?

http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/World/2015/10/09/22560824.html

"Oct 9, 2015

Last Updated: 2:35 PM ET

AUSTIN, Texas - One person was fatally shot on Friday and a suspect has been taken into custody in a shooting near Texas Southern University in Houston, Houston police said.

The school, with about 9,700 students, has been on lockdown due to the shooting, the second near campus in as many days. It said on its Twitter feed that all classes were canceled."

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

At least 1 dead in Texas Southern University shooting

School on lockdown until further notice

Published On: 49 m Updated 2 m

Texas Southern University is on lockdown Friday after a shooting that killed at least one person near a school dormitory, according to multiple news outlets.

Houston police confirmed to KPRC-TV that one of the victims had died and that a possible suspect was in custody...

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...y-on-lockdown-after-2-shot-near-dorm/35749102

 

[bluesneakers]

Getting confused, is this yet another shooting near a school?

http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/World/2015/10/09/22560824.html

"Oct 9, 2015

Last Updated: 2:35 PM ET

AUSTIN, Texas - One person was fatally shot on Friday and a suspect has been taken into custody in a shooting near Texas Southern University in Houston, Houston police said.

The school, with about 9,700 students, has been on lockdown due to the shooting, the second near campus in as many days. It said on its Twitter feed that all classes were canceled."

Yes. WTH??

Texas Southern said there was a separate shooting incident at an apartment complex near campus on Thursday night.

A separate incident, but could they be related? I'm suspicious.