GUILTY AZ - Colin Brough, 20, killed, 3 injured in NAU shooting, Flagstaff, 9 Oct 2015

[Sonya610]

Re BBM
It sounds to me that the person had left the fight and went and got a gun and came back for revenge. He could have called 911 LE to help break up the fight.

If its true he left then he cannot claim self defense because he chose to go back in and confront them again.

I suspect his buddies were still fighting and he thought he would be the hero and help them "win".

Even if his buddies were getting beat up then he should have called 911 for help. He cannot just come back into the fight with a gun and start shooting.
I don't think any self defense claims are going to work in this case.

Plus he didn't run back and shoot someone that was trying to kill a buddy, he shot the two guys closest to him at the time.

Since he was actively engaged in the argument and then the fight when he got to his car he DID have a duty to retreat before using deadly force. He could have got in the car and locked the doors and/or driven away at that point but he didn't even try.

 

[human]

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That is absolutely NOT true! That is why this kid was charged with felony murder within hours.

We were having a nice civil discussion here, even though folks have different views on the subject of firearm ownership.

What is not true? That he went to his car and got a gun and shot people in a fight?
What reason could he have except to think he was going to stop injustice? Just like that woman that shot at the shoplifters or the guy who shot the victim of a car jacking,

Why would he have a gun in his car if he didn't intend on being able to use it some day?

 

[Hatfield]

Plus he didn't run back and shoot someone that was trying to kill a buddy, he shot the two guys closest to him at the time.

Since he was actively engaged in the argument and then the fight when he got to his car he DID have a duty to retreat before using deadly force. He could have got in the car and locked the doors and/or driven away at that point but he didn't even try.

Exactly. He already retreated and chose to leave the threat. Once he made the choice to get a gun and come back then he became the aggressor.

The laws are clear when using a gun for self defense and it will not apply to him. He will be prosecuted for the shootings IMO.

I do wonder why he stayed around after he did the shootings. The article mentioned he stayed around for LE. He probably did not pay attention to reading self defense laws and mistakingly thought he would be protected by the law.

Some of the Florida shootings where people try to use "Stand your ground" also mistakingly forget that the shooter cannot be the attacker going after someone. You cannot aggressively attack someone or pick a fight with someone and then use a gun to make sure you win.

Self Defense laws are clear.
Its just the people that don't bother to learn them that have problems.

 

[Hatfield]

Y

What is not true? That he went to his car and got a gun and shot people in a fight?
What reason could he have except to think he was going to stop injustice? Just like that woman that shot at the shoplifters or the guy who shot the victim of a car jacking,

Why would he have a gun in his car if he didn't intend on being able to use it some day?

Your original post was not true:

"Stand your ground and if you don't have your gun conveniently on you, go get it"

The "Stand your Ground" laws would not apply because he chose to retreat. His life was not in danger at that point and he could have called 911 to get help once he retreated.

He chose to go back and he became the aggressor/attacker at that point.

 

[bluesneakers]

Your original post was not true:

"Stand your ground and if you don't have your gun conveniently on you, go get it"

The "Stand your Ground" laws would not apply because he chose to retreat. His life was not in danger at that point and he could have called 911 to get help once he retreated.

He chose to go back and he became the aggressor/attacker at that point.

Exactly.

I think it's the attitude and not the actual legal definition. People carry weapons and feel like Rambo. Sad but true, and it sounds to me like that's what this kid was doing. He got angry and grabbed his gun like some tough guy in a movie.

 

[Hatfield]

Exactly.

I think it's the attitude and not the actual legal definition. People carry weapons and feel like Rambo. Sad but true, and it sounds to me like that's what this kid was doing. He got angry and grabbed his gun like some tough guy in a movie.

Right. He showed all the signs of an irresponsible gun owner. I think he got mad he was losing the fight and went out for revenge. Once he retreated his part was over and he had alternatives to help his friends if he was still worried about them.

 

[Bernina]

As far as in violence in Arizona, the statistics never split up innocent bystanders/victims from those who are involved in criminal activities,"mercy homicide/suicide" with the elderly, or suicides. Then there's the murders of illegal immigrants by other illegals.
The numbers seemed to be skewed depending on what the particular entity, reporting the stats, supports.
Gated communities have the affluent, the paranoid, and/or those looking for specific amenities. It could be something as simple as a private golf course, air strip, domestic animal restrictions, retirement/age restrictive communities, or light and noise restrictions.

 

[Bernina]

I live in Flagstaff.

The word is similar to what we can read in the news.

There was a large party, that got out of hand.

Students are not allowed to carry on the campus but you are allowed to keep your weapon in your car.

Since you're up in that area, has anything been said about whether Jones feared for his 2 friends?

Not hearing much about this down in the general Prescott area, though the college campuses here might have some buzz going on.

Have a feeling that the charges will be reduced, witnesses might have been intoxicated and deemed unreliable, and the prosecutor over charged because of the national attention. Just a general observation of the legal system in Arizona.

Really tragic situation no matter what the end result is.

 

[human]

As far as in violence in Arizona, the statistics never split up innocent bystanders/victims from those who are involved in criminal activities,"mercy homicide/suicide" with the elderly, or suicides. Then there's the murders of illegal immigrants by other illegals.
The numbers seemed to be skewed depending on what the particular entity, reporting the stats, supports.
Gated communities have the affluent, the paranoid, and/or those looking for specific amenities. It could be something as simple as a private golf course, air strip, domestic animal restrictions, retirement/age restrictive communities, or light and noise restrictions.

Yes. Not sure why illegals would be in any statistics. Are they real live people that have feelings and hurt and bleed?

 

[Bernina]

Yes. Not sure why illegals would be in any statistics. Are they real live people that have feelings and hurt and bleed?

Are you serious.............?

Why should statistics reflect gun violence by people who are criminals against others who are engaged in illegal activity?
That's not a true reflection of law abiding citizens and responsible gun owners.
They should be in entirely different categories.
Rip crews have no legal right to carry firearms just as illegal immigrants have no legal right to come into the US, regardless of all of them being human, both parties are committing crimes.

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes. Not sure why illegals would be in any statistics. Are they real live people that have feelings and hurt and bleed?

I wonder if murders of citizens, tourists, and permanent residents murdered by undocumented immigrants are tracked.

 

[arizona sunshine]

Since you're up in that area, has anything been said about whether Jones feared for his 2 friends?

Not hearing much about this down in the general Prescott area, though the college campuses here might have some buzz going on.

Have a feeling that the charges will be reduced, witnesses might have been intoxicated and deemed unreliable, and the prosecutor over charged because of the national attention. Just a general observation of the legal system in Arizona.

Really tragic situation no matter what the end result is.

I haven't heard anything about Jones or his friends feeling cornered or fearing for their life, nor have I heard that were not any of the above.

Local conversations have stayed constant since it happened ie large party with substances, fighting, hormones, immature decisions and regret.

Very sad.

Just as a side note my husband working in crisis intervention finds Sept to November the busiest time of year. As the students flock back to town a high number of them suffer emotionally and reach out feeling suicidal. I've been meaning to do some googling about this phenomenon but not had a chance.

 

[Bernina]

Student charged with second-degree murder in campus shooting

http://www.kpho.com/story/30260773/...gree-murder-in-campus-shooting?autostart=true

Police at Northern Arizona University have filed a formal complaint charging a freshman with second-degree murder in a campus shooting that also injured three other students.Steven Jones initially was charged with first-degree murder in the death of Colin Brough, 20, following a confrontation last Friday. That charge was downgraded in a complaint released Wednesday, with police saying Jones didn't act with premeditation.

The complaint also expands the number of assault charges against Jones, 18, from three to six - two for each of the three students injured in the shooting. Two of the injured students, Nicholas Prato and Nicholas Piring, have been released from the hospital. The condition of Kyle Zientek is unclear.

 

[Bernina]

[h=1]Suspect in NAU fatal shooting has charge reduced[/h]
http://azdailysun.com/news/local/cr...cle_9f683e89-390c-5da5-bf72-ec6a0201549b.html

NAUPD has not commented on what caused the fight between Jones’ group of friends and the shooting victims. Police also have not said whether alcohol or drugs were involved. The police report was not completed before publication Wednesday night.Under Arizona law, the initial charge of first-degree murder would have made Jones eligible for the death penalty or life in prison if he was convicted. The amended charge of second-degree murder carries a sentence of 10 to 25 years in prison if he is found guilty at trial.
Jones is being held at the Coconino County Detention Facility in lieu of $2 million cash bond. A court hearing originally scheduled for today in Flagstaff Justice Court has been moved to 8:30 a.m. Monday.

Skimming through comments on related articles, some are saying LE is called to that area one or more times a week for parties, and alcohol and drugs play into the mix. Some have wanted to know what the tox screen results found.

I've always thought it was a bad idea mixing 18 year olds with 21 year olds who have legal access to alcohol.
Still would like to know what the fight was about. I didn't notice that Jones ever talked about a girlfriend on his FB page, was his 2 companions that night male, and whether the fight involved name calling of a sexual nature.........and you can figure out the rest.
LE, the prosecutor, and Jones' attorney have not given any statement as to the cause, which I find strange.

 

[popsicle]

12 News ‏@12News [video=twitter;671483436377513985]https://twitter.com/12News/status/671483436377513985[/video]
#BREAKING: Toxicology reports indicate gunman in NAU shooting was only person that did not test positive for alcohol or drugs.

wow

http://www.12news.com/story/news/lo...volved-without-traces-drugs-alcohol/76586572/

 

[arizona sunshine]

12 News ‏@12News [video=twitter;671483436377513985]https://twitter.com/12News/status/671483436377513985[/video]
#BREAKING: Toxicology reports indicate gunman in NAU shooting was only person that did not test positive for alcohol or drugs.

wow

http://www.12news.com/story/news/lo...volved-without-traces-drugs-alcohol/76586572/

Interesting!

 

[Elley Mae]

The reports say:

• Nicholas Piring, 20, who was injured, had a blood-alcohol level of 0.208%, which is more than twice the limit of 0.08% for motorists in Arizona.
• Kyle Zientek, 20, who was injured, had a blood-alcohol level of 0.181% and tested positive for marijuana.
• Nicholas Prato, 20, who was injured, had a blood-alcohol level of 0.092% and tested positive for marijuana.
• Colin Brough, 20, who died in the shooting, had a blood-alcohol level of 0.285%, more than three times the legal limit. The toxicology report that accompanied his autopsy also showed that he had recently used marijuana.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-arizona-university-shooting-report/76598538/

 

[arizona sunshine]

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-no...ing-victims-blood-alcohol-3-times-legal-limit

"Steven Jones says these guys were acting crazy, stumbling around, under the influence of alcohol or something, this would corroborate that," said defense attorney Scott Halverson.

He also points out gunshots wounds to the front of the victim's body could be used to show he wasn't running away and a forward leaning posture as described in the autopsy report could also be characterized as menacing."

 

[OkieGranny]

From last week:

http://castlerocknewspress.net/stories/Suspect-in-fatal-shooting-pleads-not-guilty,204624

Steven Jones, the Northern Arizona University freshman arrested in the fatal shooting of Colin Brough, a Castle View High School graduate, has pleaded not guilty to all seven charges against him...

His next hearing is scheduled for 8:15 a.m. Jan. 21 in Coconino County Superior Court, Division 2.

 

[YESorNO]

Man charged in university shooting to argue for release

"FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. — Attorneys for the man charged with killing a college student in Flagstaff are expected to argue Friday to have their client released from jail into the custody of his parents, and for the murder and assault charges against him to be thrown out or reconsidered by a grand jury.

Steven Jones has been held in the Coconino County jail on a $2 million bond since shortly after his arrest on Oct. 9. He says the fatal shooting of Colin Brough on the Northern Arizona University campus was in self-defense. He told authorities he was being verbally threatened, believed he was being followed and feared for his life.

Prosecutors say he wasn't justified in using lethal force, painting him as a loose cannon who chose to retrieve a gun from his car during a largely verbal fight and open fire.

Three others were injured in the shooting. Jones is charged with first-degree murder and six counts of aggravated assault..."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...sity-shooting-to-argue-for-release/ar-BBpH2Af
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Cococino judge: NAU shooting suspect's indictment stands

"FLAGSTAFF — Coconino County Superior Court Judge Dan Slayton ruled Friday that the first-degree murder indictment of Steven Jones, accused of a shooting on the Northern Arizona University campus, stands; the case won’t be returned to a new grand jury..."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...-charged-nau-shooting-argue-release/80230756/
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