AZ AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021 #2

  • #601
I decided to try and figure out exactly where Daniel's Jeep and phone were up until 12:54pm, The police report does go over the timeline but they aren't exactly sure where he went between 8:16am when he left the 1st well site and 9:00am when he was at the 2nd gas station, which is weird because it's easy to figure out-

They have these coordinates that they recovered from the phones GPS-

IN THE AUDIO SECTION OF THE REPORT I LOCATED MULTIPLE AUDIO FILES. 6 FILES
FROM THE MORNING OF 06/23/2021, BETWEEN 0849 HOURS AND 0858 HOURS APPEARED TO BE
TURN BY TURN DIRECTIONS GUIDING FROM A POINT NORTH OF I-10, HEADING SOUTH TO MC85.
0849: "IN A QUARTER MILE TURN LEFT ONTO THE I-1O EAST RAMP TO PHOENIX"
0854: "IN HALF A MILE, TURN LEFT ONTO WEST BROADWAY ROAD"
0855: "IN HALF A MILE, TURN LEFT ONTO WEST SOUTHERN AVENUE"
0856: "IN HALF A MILE, TURN LEFT ONTO BASELINE ROAD"
0858: "TAKE THE NEXT LEFT ONTO ARIZONA 85 SOUTH"
0858: "IN A QUARTER MILE TURN LEFT ONTO WEST MC85"

If you look at the times between the first 2 directions, 5 minutes, you'll see that when that first direction is given, Daniel's phone and jeep are heading south on SUN VALLEY PARKWAY at 8:49am. They then got on the I-10 east freeway and exited to MC85 where at 8:54pm the directions told them to turn left, they didn't and the directions kept telling them to turn left until they did at 8:58am. (We know this first GPS direction was from SUN VALLEY PARKWAY because there are NO east on ramps within 5 minutes of the 2nd GPS log besides the SVP on ramp.)

This means when Daniel left the 1st well site at 8:16am he was actually headed to the 2nd well site on Sun Valley parkway, before turning around and going to the 2nd shell station. At 8:33am, while heading to the 2nd well site and almost there, Daniel missed a call from his supervisor Stephen Noel. At 8:35am he called him back. There is a car start time at 8:35am which means Daniel pulled over and shut his car down to call Stephen back, this makes sense because he is one handed and his blue tooth was disconnected as of 7:12am according to the police report.

So Daniel pulls over and calls Stephen Noel back, whatever Stephen told him caused him to turn around and head for that 2nd gas station. Did Stephen have him picking something up? After stopping at the 2nd gas station Daniel then heads back up Sun valley parkway to the 2nd well site.

Why doesn't the police department have this in their report? In their report it says they aren't sure where Daniel was between these times but its obvious from the miles driven and the GPS coordinates that Daniel was headed to the 2nd well site at that time.

The 8:13am call to Ken was Daniel getting the go ahead to go to the 2nd well site, the 8:16am mile IQ trip start from the 1st well site is Daniel headed that way after the call. The 8:35 car start and turnaround is after talking with Stephen Noel.

The mention of Stephen Noel is also strange in the police report. As far as i can tell if they did question Stephen it didn't make it on the report and there are 2 texts to Stephen from Daniel that are redacted, which is strange. Daniel's other supervisor Kevin was contacted, was Stephen? He is the main boss and was the last person to actually talk to Daniel before Ken.

Stephens son is Peter Noel, who is the Vice President of Ken's company webber water resources.

The police also would have talked to Stephen about these phone calls, Stephen would have explained it.
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The mileage needed for this route adds up to the DECIMAL POINT of what was on Daniel's Jeep Renegade between 7:22am and 9:00am. The mileage even includes the turnaround Daniel would have had to go to after his call with Stephen because SVP has a median.
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  • #602
OK, the Billy stuff is really weird. Earlier on in this thread, it is mentioned multiple times by multiple people that Billy went to David directly, not the Buckeye PD, but that's not true. Why is there so much misinformation without sourcing?

According to the first time Billy ever talked about this, which was on a You-Tube channel, he literally says he has reached out to the Buckeye PD multiple times, without a response. This was on the 29th of September.

Then in a news conference that was dated November 20th, 2021. David talks about Billy and says the police have yet to reach out to him at all, which is true because the detective asked about Billy on November 24th, and then they didn't contact Billy until the 29th of November. Which means it took them 30 days from Billy posting the you-tube comment and contacting them to the Buckeye PD reaching out.

These are the real comments Billy left, they are still up right now, they show he attempted to contact the police already multiple times, he even left multiple messages. The comments were left on September 29th at 1:03pm-


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  • #603
@Bluedreamer great work with all of these posts. Scattered thoughts -

Do we know if there is security footage from the gas station? Receipts from a purchase?

I wonder if the redacted texts contain something work-related the public shouldn't have easy access to?

I think that some of the logical conclusions you draw might not be so obvious to someone who is bad with technology and your research makes me think they need to take a deeper look into the timeline and who was contacted and for what.
 
  • #604
@Bluedreamer great work with all of these posts. Scattered thoughts -

Do we know if there is security footage from the gas station? Receipts from a purchase?

I wonder if the redacted texts contain something work-related the public shouldn't have easy access to?

I think that some of the logical conclusions you draw might not be so obvious to someone who is bad with technology and your research makes me think they need to take a deeper look into the timeline and who was contacted and for what.
I'm not sure, i think they have a receipt for the first gas station, but the 2nd one i don't think so.

Police were able to figure out Daniel's Jeep was at that 2nd gas station at 9:00am because the MILE IQ ended a trip there.

Yeah those texts were probably about work, your right.

I hope someone does, it seems like a lot of easily disproved information has been really tying this case up in knots.
 
  • #605
@Bluedreamer have you watched the Disappeared episode on Daniel’s case? If not, it may be worth a look. IMO.

Also…great posts!
 
  • #606
@Bluedreamer have you watched the Disappeared episode on Daniel’s case? If not, it may be worth a look. IMO.

Also…great posts!
Thank you! I just finished watching that episode, it was very good. I'm just starting to get into Ken's version of the story so that was very informative.

In my opinion Ken has to be telling at least a version of the truth. The only problems i see so far is the infotainment system and the MILE IQ data didn't record any stop with Ken. This could be because Daniel left his jeep running the entire time and wasn't at the 2nd well site for more than 5 minutes or so.

In order for the 23.6 miles to add up from the 2nd gas station to the ravine, Daniel's Jeep almost has to stop at the 2nd well site around 9:30-9:45am.

Kens story also all but clears Katelyn of any wrongdoing or of being involved. Ken says he followed Daniel's tracks into the desert and there were only his tracks, if Ken is telling the truth then nobody followed Daniel that day. If Ken is lying, well hes not connected to Katelyn so he'd have no reason to lie on her behalf.

Its interesting there is part of the new police report that goes over her potential involvement when its just not plausible.
 
  • #607
It seems like early on this case, especially in this forum, a lot of misinformation was spread around by certain users without sourcing or regard for the actual truth. I'm not trying to call anyone out but some of it is very egregious and really easy to fact check now, it's crazy reading it all as i go page to page. I have to bring myself to stop going through it all because it's very sad and frustrating.

David's story about the law enforcement agent, David's story about the rancher, etc. All of this can be verified by the person who told the story originally, instead of relying on David and insinuating hes lying. Why would you think he is lying in the first place?

Why did David have to release that call? What caused people to think David was a untrustworthy storyteller? The guy did 2 tours in Afghanistan and just wants to find his son, I don't get it.
 
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  • #608
So this means Daniels jeep started 12:54pm and drove 11 miles, and it explains the discrepancy.

First, great detecting the last couple of pages.

I just wanted to nitpick the ChatGPT reply you posted. :)

So, I can’t quote it since it’s a screen shot, but if I’m understanding the second paragraph correctly, it attributes the 11-mile discrepancy to the difference between mechanical and electrical odometers. Which would be fine, except that the 2017 Jeep Renegade has an electrical odometer, which means that the ignition must be on/engine running/wheels turning in order for it to register distance travelled. (A mechanical odometer, by comparison, could rack up miles even if off and being towed.)

In addition, there’s apparently a well- known-ish difference between the odometer and what UConnect (the ‘infotainment’ system/GPS) records. This article about Daniel discusses it, and there’s various threads in Jeep
forums, example. So it may be a bit of a red herring.
 
  • #609
First, great detecting the last couple of pages.

I just wanted to nitpick the ChatGPT reply you posted. :)

So, I can’t quote it since it’s a screen shot, but if I’m understanding the second paragraph correctly, it attributes the 11-mile discrepancy to the difference between mechanical and electrical odometers. Which would be fine, except that the 2017 Jeep Renegade has an electrical odometer, which means that the ignition must be on/engine running/wheels turning in order for it to register distance travelled. (A mechanical odometer, by comparison, could rack up miles even if off and being towed.)

In addition, there’s apparently a well- known-ish difference between the odometer and what UConnect (the ‘infotainment’ system/GPS) records. This article about Daniel discusses it, and there’s various threads in Jeep
forums, example. So it may be a bit of a red herring.
Yeah i saw that, but i think CHAT GPT just used the wrong word when it was talking about the odometer because its overall explanation doesn't matter either way. In fact having a electronic odometer would mean the miles couldn't have been added during a tow, since an electronic odometer needs battery power and for the ignition to be in the ON position, Daniel's battery was dead.

The funny thing about the known difference is that, ANY JEEP that has this system and then crashes but is never turned on fully again would show a discrepancy in the miles driven. Because the last trip it took to the crash never got a chance to be logged into the infotainment system.
 
  • #610
First, great detecting the last couple of pages.

I just wanted to nitpick the ChatGPT reply you posted. :)

So, I can’t quote it since it’s a screen shot, but if I’m understanding the second paragraph correctly, it attributes the 11-mile discrepancy to the difference between mechanical and electrical odometers. Which would be fine, except that the 2017 Jeep Renegade has an electrical odometer, which means that the ignition must be on/engine running/wheels turning in order for it to register distance travelled. (A mechanical odometer, by comparison, could rack up miles even if off and being towed.)

In addition, there’s apparently a well- known-ish difference between the odometer and what UConnect (the ‘infotainment’ system/GPS) records. This article about Daniel discusses it, and there’s various threads in Jeep
forums, example. So it may be a bit of a red herring.
Lets go over the data ourselves to see if what CHAT GPT is saying is correct-

6:26am the infotainment system logs the mileage and time, at the exact same time the MILE IQ started a trip.

7:01am the infotainment system logs the mileage and time, with the mileage difference being between the 6:26am start time and miles driven to the shell station.

This 7:01am log is important because there is photo evidence of Daniel's Jeep being at the shell station at that time. There is also only one log in the infotainment system during the time Daniel was at this shell station. Which means the jeep isn't storing the information when its turned on AND off, but only on. Only one log at the gas station proves this.

The 7:22am log at the 1st well site also helps prove this, Daniel left the 1st well site at 8:16am according to the MILE IQ data. But there is only one log for the entire time Daniel is there, 7:22am. Which means Daniel started his Jeep and left it running until 8:16am when he drove away from the 1st well site.

We can go on and on with this until 12:54pm when the vehicle starts and logs the miles it just drove.

Go over this information on your own and see if you come to the same conclusions, it starts on page 32 of the police report and i attached it below
 

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  • #611
Early on in the investigation, it was noted that 2 mismatched socks were found at the ravine, implying they were Daniels. The mismatch isn't noted in the police report but it is in multiple articles online and in an earlier forum here.

Then Jeff Mcgrath found another sock matching one they found at the ravine and the ones in Daniel's apartment, Jeff was adamant it was Daniel's sock. The location of that sock was never narrowed down, so i did so using a map and video of David Robinson driving through the area, where he stops to point out where the sock was found. Video I used is attached (51:30 timestamp) along with another photo of the socks.

It's weird that the police didn't say they weren't matching in the police report, especially when you consider this passage-

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The sock didn't match the socks found by Daniel's car, they matched one sock found by Daniel's car. It's interesting that the mismatch isn't mentioned, even in this part of the report where it implies they are all the same.


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  • #612
We went over the miles on the infotainment system and Mile IQ APP that put Daniel's Jeep at the 2nd gas station at 9:00am. Now I want to see if i can figure out the exact route Daniel took to the ravine from there, or at least near it, and i want to see how Billy's story lines up. At this point this is theory, the miles add up but only because I stop once i get to 23.6.

This is not the for sure route Daniel took like the other data we went over, this is speculation with a lot of circumstantial evidence.

Before I dive into this, I want to clarify that I MOSTLY believe Billy’s account of seeing Daniel the day he went missing. Billy’s background doesn’t give him any reason to fabricate his story. He was fresh out of prison at the time and had nothing to gain by involving himself in this case randomly. His history shows he was incarcerated for marijuana related offenses while carrying a gun, actions that don’t make him a “real criminal” in my opinion. Some people speculate that Billy came forward for the $10,000 reward, but this theory doesn’t add up. Simply seeing Daniel after he left Ken wouldn’t meet the criteria for providing direct information that led to finding him. Billy’s account wouldn’t qualify him for the reward money at all.

We are going to be working off of Billy's first account, the one he left on that you-tube channel. This is the only account where we don't have to play the TELEPHONE game, meaning nobody else is telling us what Billy said besides Billy.

According to Billy, the first time he saw Daniel Robinson was on the EAST side of the wash at around 11:30am. The important thing about Billy's time frame is that it doesn't have to be exact. This is a few months after Daniel went missing that Billy came forward, he's not going to remember the exact times he saw Daniel. If we are going to allow Ken to change the time he met with Daniel to fit data(which did happen), then we should be allowed to do the same thing with Billy.

If Billy is telling the truth, then the last place he saw him and gave coordinates for was right next to the wash, the actual route Daniel might have to take for the 23.6 miles would look something like this-

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Most people including the police think Daniel took a route around that gravel pit to get to the ravine, but in my opinion that doesn't make sense. As of March 2021, 3 months before Daniel disappeared, that road from the gravel pit to the ravine didn't exist. It also did not exist in August 2021, a month after they found his Jeep. Another thing to remember is that Daniel's Jeep was doing around 30mph when the first crash happened. He is in Renegade Trail-Hawk, and while that's a capable off-road vehicle, it has low clearance. In my opinion Daniel needs a road to get to 30mph, this is also backed up by Jeff Mcgrath saying he wasn't able to do so by the ravine. The route i have turns into a road as soon as the vehicle leaves the wash and heads south.

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The 23.6 mile route i have above would line up with Billy seeing Daniel in the area, like the MILE IQ and infotainment system shows. Billy says he talked to Daniel briefly before driving off.

A few hours later Billy says he saw Daniel's Jeep again, according to Billy this was around 1:30-2:00pm. This adds up with the vehicle starting at 12:54pm and driving away from the ravine. Let's look at where Billy says he saw Daniel's Jeep the 2nd time, according to the police report it was 2.9 miles south of the first sighting. Billy said Daniel's Jeep was headed south and on the WEST side of the washes-
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Billy's eyewitness account, if true, proves Daniel's jeep left the ravine area and headed south after 12:54pm, when the Jeep started. Whats also important to note about Billy's account is that before the MILE IQ was released, the Buckeye PD told David that Billy's story was credible, link to that video is below(59:00 timestamp). It seems like after they were able to say the vehicle was in the ravine by 10:30am, they decided to label Billy as a liar. The weird thing about Billy's story is that it aligned with the correct way to read the car data and it did so all the way back in 2021, before the data was released.


 
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  • #613
I’m so glad Daniel has renewed interest.
 
  • #614
If Daniel’s jeep was brought back to the ravine at a later time, it would have had to be towed there and then tipped on its side, not under its own power. Now I'm looking for things that might show evidence of that. If you look at the tow hitches on the front and back of the vehicle, you’ll notice that two of them are really clean even though one is on the side where some kind of impact occurred. The other one is all scratched up-
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My first thought is that this is where the tow company came out and tipped Daniel’s vehicle back over using a rope or cable that left scratch marks. But then I checked pictures of the Jeep in the ravine and the scratches on the tow hook were already there-
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In my opinion, those look like rope marks, but I can’t be certain. I did think it was interesting enough to share with everyone though. This could be nothing but if your looking for evidence that the jeep was moved into the ravine not under its own power, then this could be something.
 
  • #615
The problem with Daniel Robinson's story is if there was foul play, then why? What's the motive? Did he run into a stranger out in the desert? Did the cartels get him? This is a part of the story everyone seems to have a problem explaining, who would want to harm a random geologist in the desert?

All of the stuff I'm about to go over is just my opinion but it is backed up by a ton of circumstantial evidence. Warning, this is a little long but everything is explained in detail.

In the police report they touch on multiple theories. There is one regarding Katelyn and that maybe some guy that knows her took care of Daniel. They asked Billy to take a polygraph and executed multiple search warrants of his possessions. They go down the mental health route a few different times and they even include eyewitness sightings of people who were missing their left hand instead of their right. Suffice to say Buckeye PD cast a pretty wide net over what could have happened.

I think the most interesting part about all the implications and theories in the police report is the one motive they didn’t include, Daniel’s job. There are actually multiple posts in this forum that contend this theory was checked early on and no evidence was found. That’s interesting considering what was going on when Daniel went missing and what happened in January of 2023. If that theory was checked, why isn’t it in the police report like all the rest?

Most of you already know that Daniel Robinson was a geologist, but not everyone realizes that Daniel wasn’t just a geologist, he was a hydro-geologist. His job with Matrix/SW Groundwater, which he started in 2019, was to test well sites for viability in and around the Phoenix area, including Buckeye.

When Daniel was testing these well sites in June of 2021, the Buckeye water model was being finalized. This water model was supposed to show the valley how much water they had and how much more they could allocate to new projects in the area. Buckeye is one of the fastest growing cities in the country, this water model is pretty important. Here is an article detailing that the water model was being finalized the same month Daniel went missing. After saying they were finalizing the water model in June of 2021, it wasn’t released-

A new model could reveal major water trouble for Buckeye. Release it now

“ The June 2021 letters stated that the department is finalizing its groundwater model and report and “has information indicating the proposed subdivision’s estimated groundwater demand for 100 years is likely not met when considered with other existing uses and approved demands in the area.”

"A year and a half after writing these letters, the department has had ample time to complete its Hassayampa Subbasin model and report. But despite the huge importance of this study, the department’s findings have yet to be published and remain unavailable to the public.”


In 2023, the administration in Arizona changed, Katie Hobbs beat republican Ducey for Governor of the state. After Katie Hobbs won, she forced the release of the Buckeye water model and said that she didn’t understand why the model was hidden from the public and the legislators in congress, she then halted all new developments in the are pending review.(1:00 timestamp)-


"I do not understand and do not in any way agree with my predecessor choosing to keep this report from the public and from members of this legislature."


In order for new developments to be built in Arizona, they have to be able to prove their housing developments have access to 100 years of water, it's called Assured Water Supply.


Once the water model was released the city of Buckeye immediately spent 80 million dollars on water rights outside their city limits-


Now all of this is pretty strange, Daniel was a hydro-geologist testing well sites in Buckeye at the exact same time the Buckeye water model was being finalized. That model was then buried from the public for 2 years until a new administration forced its release. That model shut down developments in the area. Oh and the City of Buckeye completely denied even knowing about it.(1:20 timestamp)-



Now how could this connect even further? Because at the very least everything I went over is interesting when you think about foul play involving Daniel Robinson. Well It gets a lot more connected than that.

Again these are only theories, they are backed up by some facts, but they are just theories. I’m open to being proven wrong, I’m really open to any theory.

The 1st well site Daniel visited on verrado way was being tested to see if water could be pulled, it was then capped for future use in August of 2022, 2 months after Daniel went missing-


1 year later it was sold to the City of Buckeye and added to their water portfolio. That’s interesting, but what’s downright weird is that Buckeye Police Chief Larry Hall became a City Manager the exact same month this well site was sold to Buckeye. Larry Hall was then replaced 6 months later by a guy with an extensive background in water management, Larry Hall had none and said the role “wasn’t for him”-


If Daniel was testing these wells and found out they didn’t have enough water, like the Buckeye water model ended up showing, he would be obliged to come forward with these findings. Think about this, WHOEVER was the author of the buckeye water model and whichever hydro-geologists doing the testing in 2021 would have known about the shortfall of water at that time. They chose not to come forward themselves, letting it stay buried until Katie Hobbs was elected.

It connects even further when you include a memo that Matrix/SW groundwater shares with its potential clients, sighting that their modelers adapt to the needs of the clients(not the state) in regards to 100 year water supply-
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I thought to myself, well why not just fire Daniel? But then I remembered, the city of Buckeye has denied knowing the water model's existence at all. Meaning if they fired Daniel for not approving wells, he could go to the media and the city of Buckeye would no longer have plausible deniability.

This really seems like something that could have been affecting Daniel in the days/weeks leading up to his disappearance. Being pressured to approve well sites by your job would stress anyone out. Let's go over a few things Daniel did before the 23rd that might also connect to this water theory.

Daniel visited the verrado way site two other times before the 23rd of June, once on 17th for 2 ½ hours and once on the 21st for almost 3 hours. On the 21st, which was a Monday, Daniel was also seen at the office. His coworker Roger said it was unusual to see Daniel at the office (Daniel was in the office multiple times right before he disappeared), and that he wasn’t in a good mood. Daniel was later seen by Roger leaving while carrying a box. The only thing I can think of that would be in that box would be water/dirt samples.

The day before Daniel went missing he sent a text at 3:07pm to Katelyn saying saying-

“The world can get better, but I'll have to take all the time I can or we can, whatever to name it. I'll either see you again or never see you again."

This text to Katelyn was sent presumably while Daniel was at work, about an hour after sending this text message he texted his sister “its an emergency”.

An hour and a half after sending the SOS text, Daniel was seen on camera at a waffle-house around 4 miles from his apartment, but he didn’t have his Jeep Renegade. The waitress herself said Daniel seemed off and there is also a comment that was left on a you-tube channel that i thought was interesting-


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Daniel left the Waffle house at around 7pm and took an Uber home, his sister was waiting for him when he got there and he said it was a false alarm and just Daniel being Daniel. The very next day Daniel disappeared into the desert.

It seems to me, if foul play was involved, then Daniel knew about it right before he went missing. His mental state being the way it was could have had to do with the pressure at his job. Whatever happened to Daniel between the text to Katelyn and showing up at the Waffle house must have really shook him up.

There are other parts of the story that connect to this water theory but I think that's enough for one day. I actually don’t think Daniel was silenced by one of the developments, I think it's more about Daniel’s company losing contracts in the area because he wouldn’t approve wells.

I’ve sourced pretty much everything I’ve gone over here but if you see something I missed feel free to point it out. And like I said, I am open to being debunked and scrutinized. I could be way off base here but there sure is a lot of smoke.

EDIT- I had some dates mixed up regarding Katelyn and when Daniel was at the verrado site, they are fixed now.


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  • #616
Shades of Chinatown, for sure.
 
  • #617
@Bluedreamer have you watched the Disappeared episode on Daniel’s case? If not, it may be worth a look. IMO.
Do you have a link to the video? I can't find it right offhand.

TIA!
 
  • #618
  • #619
First, great detecting the last couple of pages.

I just wanted to nitpick the ChatGPT reply you posted. :)

So, I can’t quote it since it’s a screen shot, but if I’m understanding the second paragraph correctly, it attributes the 11-mile discrepancy to the difference between mechanical and electrical odometers. Which would be fine, except that the 2017 Jeep Renegade has an electrical odometer, which means that the ignition must be on/engine running/wheels turning in order for it to register distance travelled. (A mechanical odometer, by comparison, could rack up miles even if off and being towed.)

In addition, there’s apparently a well- known-ish difference between the odometer and what UConnect (the ‘infotainment’ system/GPS) records. This article about Daniel discusses it, and there’s various threads in Jeep
forums, example. So it may be a bit of a red herring.
I just wanted to touch on this again because i was looking on that forum and this isn't the same type of situation that they are talking about.

Not only does the infotainment system not have the 11 miles registered, but the CDR(black box) doesn't either.

There are 3 separate computer systems storing information on Daniel's Jeep-

CDR(Black box)
Electronic odometer
Infotainment(Uconnect)



When Daniels Jeep renegade crashed and the air bags deployed, the CDR(Black box) did not record the time but it did record the miles. 58,154. This is how many miles were on the odometer when the Jeep crashed.

There were also 40+ ignition attempts after this crash happened, in my opinion it was because there is a specific way to start a Jeep Renegade after a crash that deploys the airbags and whoever was trying to start it didn't know that. They probably pulled the manual out to figure it out. (Thinking about that, if you tried to start a Jeep even 20+ times while it was on its side in the ravine, you'd probably just think it wasn't starting because its on its side).

When the Jeep started again at 12:54pm the infotainment registered the same miles as the Cdr(black box), 58,154.

Then the Jeep drove 11 miles, which went onto the odometer as the Jeep moved. So the final odometer reading of the jeep is 58,165.

Since the Jeep wasn't started again after 12:54pm, the infotainment hasn't had a chance to log those miles and since the 11 miles were driven after the air bags deployed the CDR(black box) didn't record them either.

This video from Jeff Mcgrath I've linked below actually shows you how he misread the data himself. He saw the mileage at 12:54pm and thought that since the CDR(black box) data had the same mileage this is when it crashed, around 1pm. When really this wasn't a crash time but a start time, as also evidenced by the Buckeye police eventually saying Daniel crashed between 10:00am-10:30am.

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You can go online right now and you probably won't find the Buckeye PD ever actually saying Daniels Jeep crashed at 1pm, before the MILE IQ. They never released a time and in my opinion that's because they knew it didn't, they just let Jeff Mcgrath come up with the 1pm crash time on his own. Until the MILE IQ was found.


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Before you read this I’d recommend you go back and read all the posts I have about Daniel Robinson because every time i make a new post it ties into the previous ones in some way.


In early 2023 a man by the name of Stephen Fischer posted a comment on X/Twitter about Daniel Robinson. Stephen Fischer is a private investigator, he is mentioned in the police report as someone who worked on the case in the early stages and he talks a lot about David and Billy-
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His X post talks about David putting Billy's story out in the news and about him being a fake federal agent, implying that David is peddling this false story on purpose. But we know David isn’t. First, we know Billy reached out to the Buckeye PD before he reached out to David. Second, Billy himself displayed his “badge” to law enforcement during their interaction, as noted in the police report. If he were attempting to mislead, why would he openly show it to the police? This detail undermines the notion that David was fabricating a story about Billy, Billy was the one who made these claims, not David. David would have no reason to push a false narrative about Billy being a federal agent when it could and would easily be dis-proven. If anything, such a claim would AND did harm David’s credibility, which he has worked hard to maintain in his advocacy for Daniel.

That's not the only part of his X tweet though. He also said that David called the Tempe PD DAYS BEFORE Daniel went missing, which makes no sense for a few different reasons.

#1- In the police report it is mentioned that Jeff Mcgrath was told by Davisha(Daniel's sister) that they were considering having Daniel evaluated because of his mental health. This is hearsay and can’t really be challenged by anyone besides Jeff or Davisha. The calls Stephen said David made though would not be hearsay, those calls would be logged in the Tempe Police Department and they would likely be recorded. Why would the police include hearsay about mental health in their report but not actual documented instances of it?

#2- In my opinion, there would be no reason for David to call Tempe PD if he was worried about Daniel's mental health days before he went missing. If he was concerned he could have had Davisha check on him, like she did the night before he went missing after he sent the SOS text. African Americans usually don’t call the police to do mental wellness checks, it doesn’t always end well.

#3- in a You-tube live, David was asked this specific question and he denied it, I’ve linked the video below(1:27:00 TIMESTAMP). You can even tell by the way David responds to the question that he has no idea what they are talking about at all-


Stephen Fischer isn’t the only one who has made this claim. A while back on this forum a user said that David called the Tempe PD two times before Daniel went missing because he was concerned for his mental health, this was a few weeks after Stephens X post. This post also went as far as to say that this was redacted in the police reports. That post was ultimately removed by the mods because this user didn’t have a source.

You could say it was redacted due to HIPPAA laws but these calls aren't covered under HIPPAA. Wellness calls made by police are not protected under HIPAA because law enforcement agencies are not HIPAA-covered entities.

Stephen Fischer and this user also have one big thing in common, they both said they had talked to Buckeye PD right before making these claims, with one of them saying they talked with Detective Biffin personally.

In my opinion those calls do not exist, they are not on any police report or in articles online and there are other mentions of his mental health in other parts of the report. If they could put something that was verifiable in there, they would. If it was redacted then Jeff’s hearsay comment would have been redacted as well. David also denies these calls, something the Buckeye PD would easily be able to refute if the calls existed.

Which brings us to the why? Why would a private investigator post this information online? If he got it from the Buckeye PD, why are they giving out this kind of misinformation? It seems to me like they are really trying to get people to believe Daniel was mentally ill using things that are not true.

I’ve included the entry in police report that goes over Stephen Fischer's comments about Billy, which is also weird because he says they don’t trust him because of his criminal past but the only thing Billy has ever been really guilty of is being a marijuana activist and having a gun on him at the time he was doing so, making him a felon. Last time I checked, weed is legal almost everywhere, Billy was just caught at the wrong time.

Another really interesting thing about Steve in the police report is that-

STEVE STATED THAT DAVID HAS NOT HAD DIRECT CONTACT WITH BILLY, BUT PAUL HAS.
(If David hasn't spoken to Billy himself how he is the one peddling the false narrative? This interaction took place on December 30th, 2021, 3 months after Billy first came forward.)

One other thing, Why is Steve Fischer the one giving the Buckeye PD the information about Billy not being a federal agent? Buckeye PD contacted Billy on the 29th of November, plenty of time for them to vet his story.

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