GUILTY AZ - Daniel Rodriguez, 29, fatally shot by Phoenix PD officer, 5 Oct 2010 #2

[josie1986]

Does anyone think they will come back today? I think if they do it will be close to 3pm

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[Bernina]

I think Juan's whole point with not calling his own drug witness or whatever you call it, is 'cause #1. he didn't want to draw extra attention to it, #2. he doesn't think it makes a difference to the case b/c it is pretty obvious that Chrisman was the aggressor the entire time and Danny was not the aggressor. If he had called his own witness, that would give the impression that he thought it was important to the case. I think he really tried to just focus on the forensic evidence and Vergillo's testimony so that the jury would see that Chrisman was being aggressive from the start.

:goodpost:

Exactly! Going down that road would have just put DR on trial. And dispatch for 911 didn't have any info on drugs or alcohol, DR's mom was at the neighbors, there where no weapons, so any type of domestic problem had been brought down to a level of just talking with DR. He wasn't threatening suicide, wasn't waving a gun, no one was in the house he could hurt or use as a hostage...it was a relatively "safe" call to go to. Chrisman escalated the incident from the time he initially got rude with DR's mom and it continued and snowballed. If he had an issue understanding DR's mom, which I think is total BS, he should have had Vergillo talk to her, or Chrisman shouldn't have been on patrol in an area where it required an officer to be bi-lingual.
Dr's mom made perfect sense to me, for the most part, some of the convo on the 911 tape was muffled but that's the quality of those tapes.

 

[MeeBee]

I think Juan's whole point with not calling his own drug witness or whatever you call it, is 'cause #1. he didn't want to draw extra attention to it, #2. he doesn't think it makes a difference to the case b/c it is pretty obvious that Chrisman was the aggressor the entire time and Danny was not the aggressor. If he had called his own witness, that would give the impression that he thought it was important to the case. I think he really tried to just focus on the forensic evidence and Vergillo's testimony so that the jury would see that Chrisman was being aggressive from the start.

Really good point. I bet you're totally right.

 

[MeeBee]

:goodpost:

Exactly! Going down that road would have just put DR on trial. And dispatch for 911 didn't have any info on drugs or alcohol, DR's mom was at the neighbors, there where no weapons, so any type of domestic problem had been brought down to a level of just talking with DR. He wasn't threatening suicide, wasn't waving a gun, no one was in the house he could hurt or use as a hostage...it was a relatively "safe" call to go to. Chrisman escalated the incident from the time he initially got rude with DR's mom and it continued and snowballed. If he had an issue understanding DR's mom, which I think is total BS, he should have had Vergillo talk to her, or Chrisman shouldn't have been on patrol in an area where it required an officer to be bi-lingual.
Dr's mom made perfect sense to me, for the most part, some of the convo on the 911 tape was muffled but that's the quality of those tapes.

:cheers:

It is obvious, I think. The defense making Virgillo sound like a bad cop for coming to the call with a pen and pad is so ridiculous it actually pisses me off. All they had to do was talk to him. Even in Chrisman's version of events, he unnecessarily escalated the situation from the start. He went in guns blazing expecting to walk into a war zone. Juan was so right when he described him as a cowboy. All of it was so unnecessary. Truly. He should not be dead right now.

BBM: It is BS. We heard Danny's mom. She speaks perfect English with a very faint distinguishable accent. Chrisman was just being a racist [self snip]. Even another cop commented on how rude he was being. He should not have ever been a cop.

I think they will come back today. And I think it will be second degree murder. Definitely cruelty to animals. He shot a paraplegic, blind dog in the back. Come on. Juan describing that situation and Danny getting up to check on him really hit home. I don't know how it couldn't hit home for everyone on that jury.

 

[geevee]

Found this:

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m wade the toxicologist will be testifying about how much meth was in Daniel Rodriguez's system at the time of death #richardchrisman
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here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218040&page=39

Trial Diva Sharee™ ‏@TrialDivasS 1m Toxicology report had methamphetamine and amphetamine #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m meth and amphetamine were found in danny rodriguez, Mehrens done with his witness, now martinez is crossing him #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m martinez says wade's expertise is the ingestion of substance in the system #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 58s martinez going over chemicals in pepper spray and the effects on the body when allergic reaction occurs #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m martinez: the effects of meth differs form person to person
Wade: yes
#richardchrisman

Trial Diva Jen ™ ‏@TrialDivasJ 1m Juan points out the ME has said the amount of Meth in Daniels system was moderate..#RICHARDCHRISMAN

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m .62 milligrams per liters is not a toxic level, it's a moderate level isn't it??? martinez fires back at Wade #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m martinez: what does a moderate level
wade: this is a moderate level based on quantities Ive seen over 40 years #richardchrisman

Trial Diva Jen ™ ‏@TrialDivasJ 40s Daniel had a high therapeutic level, such as taking ADD meds...#RICHARDCHRISMAN

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m martinez: when was the drug taken by danny can you tell?
Wade: 12 to 16 hours before he was shot and killed
#richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m martinez done with toxicologist, now mehrens back to his witness again #richardchrisman
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[josie1986]

Found this:

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m wade the toxicologist will be testifying about how much meth was in Daniel Rodriguez's system at the time of death #richardchrisman
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here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218040&page=39

Trial Diva Sharee™ ‏@TrialDivasS 1m Toxicology report had methamphetamine and amphetamine #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m meth and amphetamine were found in danny rodriguez, Mehrens done with his witness, now martinez is crossing him #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m martinez says wade's expertise is the ingestion of substance in the system #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 58s martinez going over chemicals in pepper spray and the effects on the body when allergic reaction occurs #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m martinez: the effects of meth differs form person to person
Wade: yes
#richardchrisman

Trial Diva Jen ™ ‏@TrialDivasJ 1m Juan points out the ME has said the amount of Meth in Daniels system was moderate..#RICHARDCHRISMAN

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m .62 milligrams per liters is not a toxic level, it's a moderate level isn't it??? martinez fires back at Wade #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m martinez: what does a moderate level
wade: this is a moderate level based on quantities Ive seen over 40 years #richardchrisman

Trial Diva Jen ™ ‏@TrialDivasJ 40s Daniel had a high therapeutic level, such as taking ADD meds...#RICHARDCHRISMAN

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m martinez: when was the drug taken by danny can you tell?
Wade: 12 to 16 hours before he was shot and killed
#richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m martinez done with toxicologist, now mehrens back to his witness again #richardchrisman
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That's a heck of a long time to still be high,I've obviously never taken Meth but I can't see a hit lasting that long.

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[Jewels53]

I am here reading and waiting. I have been making cushion covers for my dil this morning. I am done now.

I still think it will be tomorrow. The jury can't come back too quick or it will look like they had already made their minds up. jmo

I do hope I am wrong!

 

[geevee]

That's a heck of a long time to still be high,I've obviously never taken Meth but I can't see a hit lasting that long.

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And esp. if he was a consistent user, he'd have built up a tolerance for it, 12 to 16 hours later his brain would likely not be feeling 'stoned' at all, maybe just tired.

 

[geevee]

I am here reading and waiting. I have been making cushion covers for my dil this morning. I am done now.

I still think it will be tomorrow. The jury can't come back too quick or it will look like they had already made their minds up. jmo

I do hope I am wrong!

Since they really didn't get to do any real deliberating yesterday, I think tomorrow either before or after lunch, if they are mostly of one mind.

 

[aa9511]

Trial Diva Sharee™ ‏@TrialDivasS 1m Jury just showing up...guess they are sticking to the same schedule as the trial...#richardchrismanExpand Collapse Reply Retweet Retweeted

What?? I don't get this....so did they show up before or did they show up now?? Omigosh.

 

[Jewels53]

Trial Diva Jen ™ ‏@TrialDivasJ 34s
The jurors are just getting here...late start...#RichardChrisman

 

[aa9511]

Geevee, looks like we have to re-set our deliberations clock....loL!! I see the tweet from MCCourt from earlier says "jury deliberation resume today, we will tweet when verdict is reached"....I guess that was just a general tweet stating that they are going to continue deliberations today?

 

[Bernina]

That's a heck of a long time to still be high,I've obviously never taken Meth but I can't see a hit lasting that long.

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That's similar to college students cramming for exams with ADD meds and nodding out during the tests.......they just want to go to sleep. LOL!

 

[aa9511]

I predict either end of day today or mid-morning tomorrow verdict time. That is, if they don't take 15,000 breaks and a 1.5 hour lunch.

 

[Zuri]

Yes, I don't know who testified but there was testimony that the level in Daniel's system would be considered a therapeutic level if it were Adderal or another similar medication. Not sure how (or who) arrived at the 16 hours using meth before death but that was in testimony also. I'm watering the beds now (cursed lack of rain here) but will look back over the threads and see if I can find who testified to the meth level and all that.

I think it was the ME for the State and the tox analysis guy

 

[geevee]

Holy cow, they just got there?

 

[geevee]

Verdict Watch:

9-10-13: 3:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m. (1 hour)
9-11-13: 10:30 a.m. -

 

[Jewels53]

Holy cow, they just got there?

I told you I thought AZ like to sleep in. :floorlaugh:

 

[Zuri]

Maybe the jury came in later because they are not far off in their initial vote if they took one. Fingers crossed it is for a Guilty verdict. I wonder if the Defense fought to keep Lesser Included charges off the verdict sheet. Perhaps they thought their client would have a better chance of walking free. I have no clue. It was just a thought.

I was also thinking about what JM said about Virgillo and how he stood up for what he thought was right, even though it was the unpopulare thing to do. The words "Who wants to work with him now?" was a gamble IMO although perhaps true. I would like to think that other cops have no problem working with Virgillo, even though they may not voice it because ppl rarely stand up to bullies. JMV

 

[MeeBee]

Maybe other cops are still ok about working with Virgillo. Maybe not. Virgillo has taken a lot of unnecessary heat from PLEA in a smear campaign against him.



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