AZ - Gabriel Cuen-Buitimea, allegedly shot and killed with an AK-47 by rancher George Alan Kelly, 75, Kino Springs, Jan 2023

[NuttMegg]

Does anyone know where the victim was found, and/or where the horse pasture is? I reposted the map.

 

[shotgun09]

Does anyone know where the victim was found, and/or where the horse pasture is? I reposted the map.

Nope. During court last week, a map was displayed on screen where the body was found, but cameras did not capture that for the public. So, it remains a guessing game for us.

 

[wary]

How many immigrant problems has this man reported in the decades that he has been there?

We don’t know, but the book he wrote, Far Beyond the Border Fence, was published in 2013, according to Amazon. It presents itself as strongly based on his situation, with the main character about GK’s age, and the main character and his wife named George and Wanda, just like George Kelly and his wife Wanda.

The G and W of the book decide to build their new home when work on the border wall begins, but when the border wall is abandoned, the flood of drug traffickers and human traffickers resumes. Their new home is broken in to, three times in three years. The Border Patrol, ICE agents, DEA agents, are ineffective. George patrols the ranch daily, armed with an AK-47. The border area is a ‘war zone.’ George keeps a ‘constant vigil,’ and only leaves the ranch when necessary, in broad daylight, when the armed trespassers are less likely to be around. By the way, they seem to cut fences as they please. (People in this thread have asked if the ranch was fenced and posted with No Trespassing signs.)

By the way, people in this thread have asked why GK moved—I think it’s very likely that the book supplies the answer. The main character moved from Montana to Arizona because at their age, it was too hard to manage the Montana winters.

Of course, the book is fiction. However, whether GK fictionalized the basic conflict or not, it shows what his thoughts were, more than ten years ago.

It definitely would be interesting to know if those multiple break-ins were documented.

MOO

 

[cvaldez1975]

If someone took 2500 dollars from the victim for services and routed him through a property well known to be inhabited by a private property absolutist, wouldnt that person be responsible for reckless endangerment of the victim? Or criminal negligence, conspiracy to trespass etc etc

Was the fee declared as income to any governing authority? Plenty of crime to spread around this situation. Theft of a backpack and contents. Are the radios being operated at frequencies and power levels legal under the FCC? Were all guns present legal by statute? Was anybody an undocumented concealed weapon carrier?

why would anyone report the fee, its an illegal coyote.

 

[WingsOverTX]

There were alot of red flags in the witnesses testimony, IMO.
Call me skepticat.

I'm skepticat, too

 

[NuttMegg]

We don’t know, but the book he wrote, Far Beyond the Border Fence, was published in 2013, according to Amazon. It presents itself as strongly based on his situation, with the main character about GK’s age, and the main character and his wife named George and Wanda, just like George Kelly and his wife Wanda.

The G and W of the book decide to build their new home when work on the border wall begins, but when the border wall is abandoned, the flood of drug traffickers and human traffickers resumes. Their new home is broken in to, three times in three years. The Border Patrol, ICE agents, DEA agents, are ineffective. George patrols the ranch daily, armed with an AK-47. The border area is a ‘war zone.’ George keeps a ‘constant vigil,’ and only leaves the ranch when necessary, in broad daylight, when the armed trespassers are less likely to be around. By the way, they seem to cut fences as they please. (People in this thread have asked if the ranch was fenced and posted with No Trespassing signs.)

By the way, people in this thread have asked why GK moved—I think it’s very likely that the book supplies the answer. The main character moved from Montana to Arizona because at their age, it was too hard to manage the Montana winters.

Of course, the book is fiction. However, whether GK fictionalized the basic conflict or not, it shows what his thoughts were, more than ten years ago.

It definitely would be interesting to know if those multiple break-ins were documented.

MOO

I'm part way thru, it's really good. Don't anyone laugh, it's in the same vein as the McCarthy Border Trilogy, matter of fact, no syrup. Which I have read all 3 border trilogy volumes several times except the one with the wolf that makes me cry too hard. Can't get past the dog/wolf fight.

But there are a couple of things I learned from the Kelly book so far
1. He says both mules (drug cartel) and coyotes (human traffickers) come through from "dusk to dawn*, thus he can only get things done in the daylight, can only leave his house in the daylight to shop, etc.

2 he answered a question I had asked earlier, do the mesquite drop their leaves in fall/winter? Yes, he refers to them dropping leaves but of course not the spines. I wondered because the photos on the realtor site are so green, so much thick foliage no way, imo, could he see 100 yds away. But the killing took place (RL) in Late January, there would have been a lot more visibility.

Imo

 

[WingsOverTX]

Real estate description of the Kelly’s ranch. Note “very quiet, peaceful and extremely private…” Not really.

Vermilion Mountain Ranch, Land for Sale in Arizona, #135503 : LANDFLIP

Vermilion Mountain Ranch. View this land for sale with 169 acres by Nogales in Santa Cruz County, Arizona 85621. Contact Robert Mills of First United Realty to learn more about this land. LANDFLIP #135503

www.landflip.com

“Vermilion Mountain Ranch is a must see property. This absolutely beautiful ranch includes 169 +/- acres of native grass lands with varied terrain and vegetation. It is a very picturesque setting with mesquites, huge oak trees, a magnificent riparian area and endless long views of mountains in every direction. The ranch is very quiet, peaceful & extremely private at the end of the road bordering thousands of acres of the Coronado National Forest and the Patagonia Mountains to the east.”

Apparently, he is also trying to sell a smaller 80 acre portion of the property. It has the same assessor parcel number as the larger property with a “B” after it.

Perfectly Private 80 Acres, Farm for Sale in Arizona, #336795 : FARMFLIP

Perfectly Private 80 Acres. View this farm for sale with 80 acres by Nogales in Santa Cruz County, Arizona 85621. Contact Robert Mills of First United Realty to learn more about this farm. FARMFLIP #336795

www.farmflip.com

And his wife filed with the State of AZ for an Arizona Trade Name called the “George Alan Kelly Legal Defense Fund.”

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What? A real estate agent is supposed to list a property as dangerous? Not going to happen. That is part of the due diligence of a buyer. Anyone listing a property in Southern Arizona or anywhere along the border is going to have a very long wait for a buyer, unless a cartel can find a straw man to purchase it for their use. I wonder if that ever happens?

JMO

 

[Tbone144]

I'm part way thru, it's really good. Don't anyone laugh, it's in the same vein as the McCarthy Border Trilogy, matter of fact, no syrup. Which I have read all 3 border trilogy volumes several times except the one with the wolf that makes me cry too hard. Can't get past the dog/wolf fight.

But there are a couple of things I learned from the Kelly book so far
1. He says both mules (drug cartel) and coyotes (human traffickers) come through from "dusk to dawn*, thus he can only get things done in the daylight, can only leave his house in the daylight to shop, etc.

2 he answered a question I had asked earlier, do the mesquite drop their leaves in fall/winter? Yes, he refers to them dropping leaves but of course not the spines. I wondered because the photos on the realtor site are so green, so much thick foliage no way, imo, could he see 100 yds away. But the killing took place (RL) in Late January, there would have been a lot more visibility.

Imo

My mesquites are bare right now, my live oaks have green and my cedars are green and I have cacti galore. I’m in central TX so not same area but similar plants it seems.

 

[WingsOverTX]

I think possibly that the 'road' discussion came from the witnesses, who were attempting to describe their surroundings at the time. One of them reported a "road" nearby. But, IMO..this was a private dirt path/ trail head which was used by the land owner. Maybe in an ORV, or via horse. It was wide enough to fit a vehicle, in closer proximity to the home, but it was definitely not a paved city/town road. This was a privately owned trail head, on Kelly's private property. Just my thoughts on the matter.

Actually, I'm curious about that. It is a named road although it is on GK's property. See East Sagebrush Rd on attached Google Map.

IIRC, C-B's body was found south of the bend in the road going toward the barn-type structure.

When W. Sagebrush becomes E. Sagebrush is near GK's home. Whether the dirt road is legally public or private at that point, I don't know. Likely private since it traverses his 169.5 acres.

MOO

 

[NuttMegg]

Actually, I'm curious about that. It is a named road although it is on GK's property. See East Sagebrush Rd on attached Google Map.

IIRC, C-B's body was found south of the bend in the road going toward the barn-type structure.

When W. Sagebrush becomes E. Sagebrush is near GK's home. Whether the dirt road is legally public or private at that point, I don't know. Likely private since it traverses his 169.5 acres.

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Where do you see the barn like structure on that map? Unless there is an alternate satellite view available, or something.

 

[shotgun09]

Actually, I'm curious about that. It is a named road although it is on GK's property. See East Sagebrush Rd on attached Google Map.

IIRC, C-B's body was found south of the bend in the road going toward the barn-type structure.

When W. Sagebrush becomes E. Sagebrush is near GK's home. Whether the dirt road is legally public or private at that point, I don't know. Likely private since it traverses his 169.5 acres.

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Makes me wonder if the road E Sagebrush, was continued 'named' through the property, in anticipation of Kelly's once desired plans for building rental/ranch living. More musings...

 

[NuttMegg]

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Makes me wonder if the road E Sagebrush, was continued 'named' through the property, in anticipation of Kelly's once desired plans for building rental/ranch living. More musings...

There's something in those lawsuit docs that iirc Lilibet posted, it refers to what the town was supposed to do for Kelly, re "platting" and some other land-development services he thought he would be receiving from KS. I don't have time to go back right now, however that post is interesting. But, as I mentioned before, I can't imagine KS extending electricity to him if he's not on a public road.

 

[Tbone144]

Makes me wonder if the road E Sagebrush, was continued 'named' through the property, in anticipation of Kelly's once desired plans for building rental/ranch living. More musings...

VERMILION MOUNTAIN RANCH

Vermilion Mountain Ranch is a must see property. This absolutely beautiful ranch includes 169.5 +/- acres of native grass lands with varied terrain and vegetation. It is a very picturesque setting wit

www.landwatch.com

That’s what it appears to me. Using the E Sagebrush Rd and cross referencing the building shapes and zooming in and around on Google terrain, it appears that gate may be just before the property (house on Sagebrush), I can just see a line across the road, before the house. Then to get to the shop/barn in the picture (building with 3 overhead doors, you follow Sagebrush to the end of it. Google maps has ~1324 feet between house and barn/shop as crow flies but longer if you follow the road back to it. Google also appears to show cattle pens in the span between them. There appears to be a path that cuts across the property, runs sw ne direction located located 700 feet SE of the house. Surrounding the property appears to be some sort of perimeter fencing, gets a little hazy around the mountain, think it cuts in front. If property is roughly square as fence/perimeter seems to indicate, property would be 2721 feet on each side (43560 sq feet per acre * 170 acres= 7405200 sq ft and sq root of that for sides of square). I’m using Google maps with layers view zoomed in on a computer to do this. I typed in E Sagebrush Rd Kino Springs and identified house based on approximate shape and the barn/shop really stands out.

 

[acutename]

Actually, I'm curious about that. It is a named road although it is on GK's property. See East Sagebrush Rd on attached Google Map.

IIRC, C-B's body was found south of the bend in the road going toward the barn-type structure.

When W. Sagebrush becomes E. Sagebrush is near GK's home. Whether the dirt road is legally public or private at that point, I don't know. Likely private since it traverses his 169.5 acres.

MOOView attachment 406344

icing on the cake for me in this case would be if the people crossing the border told us they were just following some popular mapping app that "told them to go there" <modsnip: off topic>

 

[Tbone144]

Okay I’m somewhat computer savvy but sometimes old school works best. Two layer maps below. First shows house, barn in sale photos, the seeming path that runs through property and where the gate seems to be on closeup shots. Second shot is 1.36 mile distance between house and Mexico border and an outline of the property as it seems to be. Images are produced by Google Maps. I don’t see any other houses around but Google maps may not be most up to date, my place still doesn’t exist any more than a field in images.

 

[rsd1200]

Another view of the K property. Homesite, blue circle, 150'. Within the yellow circle is approx 160 acres belonging to Mr. K. Google Earth and Landwatch.com for map and photos.

During a warrant search of Kelly's house following the shooting, sheriff's deputies found several weapons but at first missed the AK-47. They returned with a second warrant and found it hanging on a door.

Atty. Larkin said her client shot into the air above the migrants. She has said Kelly feared for his and his wife's safety and the property.

D.R.R. testified that he and Cuen-Buitimea, whom he called a friend, had paid a guide for passage across the border on Jan. 30 and were heading to Phoenix. He also said neither of them was carrying a weapon, and the guide had left them.

The man said he believed he heard 15 or 16 shots fired as the group ran. A sheriff's deputy testified that investigators recovered nine shell casings near Kelly's south-facing back porch.

D.R.R said that as he fled he saw a man with white hair near the house and something in the man's hand. He did not identify the object as a gun.

“I ran 20 meters (22 yards) when I turned around to see him,” D.R.R. said. “I turned around to see if it was government agents coming after us. I was able to jump and I jumped the wall back to Mexico.”


Judge OK's Arizona rancher trial in Mexican migrant killing

 

[Eli9]

Another view of the K property. Homesite, blue circle, 150'. Within the yellow circle is approx 160 acres belonging to Mr. K. Google Earth and Landwatch.com for map and photos.












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Thank you
What is the green rectangle?

ETA are there any pictures of a gazebo and it's proximity to the house or where GCB was found?

 

[Tbone144]

Another view of the K property. Homesite, blue circle, 150'. Within the yellow circle is approx 160 acres belonging to Mr. K. Google Earth and Landwatch.com for map and photos.












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I like the photos with the markups but I thought it was 100-150 yards so 450 feet circle from the house as shooting perimeter. Can you mark one up with that distance?

 

[Eli9]

I like the photos with the markups but I thought it was 100-150 yards so 450 feet circle from the house as shooting perimeter. Can you mark one up with that distance?

Yes it is confusing with testimony being feet, yards, meters.

 

[rsd1200]

Thank you
What is the green rectangle?

ETA are there any pictures of a gazebo and it's proximity to the house or where GCB was found?

The Green Rectangles are for fencing I could see. It appears he has Electric Fencing close to the home and Farm Fencing just in front of the dirt road (E Sagebrush). I think he only uses a portion of the road for a driveway. It's not a regular road, and the view to his unattached garage. I am unsure where the man was located when they found him. I've heard more than one place. Photos from landwatch.com

Here is the Pergola, the South Facing Front Porch, a view from E. Sagebrush of garage, and his gate, and another view from GoogleEarth.