AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #2

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  • #181
Well...JMO...that is just a blog that is to "preserve the original family" ..
while I certainly applaud their effort to stop black market adoptions I think they may
go too far cause the truth is that there are a lot of "families" we see in these "cases" that should not be "preserved"

I don't want to lose focus on the biomom...

she began threats to Gabriel when he was 3 weeks old
 
  • #182
Time, you said that SO much better than I did. lol. Thanks!
 
  • #183
The symbology for one - the child holding up the hand like to keep quiet or keep a secret. It startled me because at first glance that child looks a lot like Gabriel (to me anyway) - I went and rechecked his picture about 2-3 times. The FB pic is beautiful but also a bit haunting.

That picture is everywhere in the public domain, has been for years. I have the same one on my Myspace.
 
  • #184
I am gathering statements hopefully in order from statements made from the Smiths or statements made from others in regards to their dealings with them, please feel free to add to these if you want to. I think alot of what they have said is on video:

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Now, another Valley woman is also speaking out, saying Johnson absconded with her son to protect him from his father.

"She's completely innocent," said Tammi Fay Smith, who wanted to adopt Gabriel. "She loves that baby, and just wants to find a good home for that baby. As a mother, I commend her."

McQueary said Johson had been pushing him to sign adoption papers granting Smith custody of Gabriel, and that after the baby disappeared, Smith approached him with similar requests.

"When Gabriel dissapeared, they said basically, 'if you really care about your son and you want him back, and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, that you'll sign the paperwork and then she'll bring him back to us, and you'll know he's safe,'" said McQueary. "I said, 'no, I'm not signing any paperwork.'"

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/s...issing-for-over-a/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx
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Posted on January 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM

A family with the last name of Smith has come forward claiming Elizabeth had already contacted them about adopting Gabriel. They said they agreed. They've even shown the paperwork that they signed along with Elizabeth. But McQueary refused to sign, and soon after was when Elizabeth took off.

The Smith family has come forward claiming Elizabeth was afraid of McQueary. The Smiths claim that McQueary was the one who threatened to hurt Elizabeth and Gabriel. They also claim that Elizabeth is willing to go to jail in order to protect her son.

http://www.kens5.com/news/Police-co...by-two-different-stories-emerge-80675672.html
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Jan. 5, 2010 12:00 AM


In front of a panel of reporters and with his father, Frank, by his side, McQueary said he had been approached by the prospective parents, begging him to sign paperwork and insisting Johnson wouldn't come back until he did.

McQueary again refused.

The couple hoping to adopt are not speaking to police, and investigators have searched their home to be sure the child wasn't with them, said Sgt. Steve Carbajal, a Tempe police spokesman

http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/01/04/20100104tr-missingbaby0106.html

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POSTED: 10:22 pm MST January 4, 2010
UPDATED: 5:07 am MST January 5, 2010


They say they didn't involve the father, Logan McQueary in the adoption procedures because Elizabeth Johnson told them he was abusive.

"As soon as she got away from Logan and we had the baby, and he was not a part of her life, all of the sudden she had a bright cheery attitude about herself," said Tammi Smith.

But at an emotional press conference Monday, McQueary told CBS5 that after Gabriel disappeared, the Smiths tried to strong-arm him into giving up his child.

"When Gabriel disappeared, they said to me basically if you really care about your son and you want him back and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, than you'll sign the paperwork and she'll bring him back," said Logan McQueary.

The Smiths said they were only passing along the messages they were getting from Elizabeth. They also say they are cooperating fully with the investigation and no longer believe the adoption is possible.

"Now the father is so deeply into this that his ego would never allow him to sign papers," said Smith

But they still may have a role to play. The Smiths believe Elizabeth Johnson will tell them Gabriel's location Tuesday.

"She wants to talk to me tomorrow at 2 o'clock to see if I will help her with attorneys to gain custody of Gabriel. If she hurt the baby, I don't think she would be trying to get custody," Tammi Smith said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22125969/detail.html

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January 4, 2010 - 3:24PM , updated: January 5, 2010 - 8:06PM

The couple, Tammi and Jack Smith, said they had been working with Johnson and McQueary for the last seven months about adopting the child but would not reveal the details surrounding the adoption.

“Both of them supported the adoption, but for some reason, Logan got cold feet at the last minute,” Tammi Smith said.

Smith also said she spoke with Johnson, who called her from the jail on Tuesday, but she did not disclose the whereabouts of Gabriel.

McQueary also said Tuesday that he never spoke to the Smiths until Dec. 19, when he found out about them through a Child Protective Services report when Johnson was trying to file a complaint of abandonment, claiming McQueary had not seen the child for 30 days.

Johnson had apparently been talking to the Smiths about adopting Gabriel after they met her on a plane while she was coming back from Boston, according to McQueary.

“I never talked to them about any adoption,” McQueary said. “I had no clue. I told them there was no way in hell I’m giving up my son for adoption. I wanted my son. She was pretty secretive about it.”

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149100
 
  • #185
I don't know how to snip a post that's why I didn't for this. Sorry.
I believe that TPS knows where Gabe is. I believe Gabe is alive.( I have to believe this!)
Why else would they tell LM if he signs the papers Gabe will be brought back. They are behind this. Not so certain about Jack, but definitely TPS.
 
  • #186
Was momster arrested for the apt. trashing incident??
 
  • #187
You all have probally already figured this out but lol it is a light bulb moment for me. So EJ texted Logan on Dec 27th telling him she had killed the baby.:

Johnson was arrested Dec. 30 at a Miami hospital. It was unclear why she was there. She was without her son, who was last seen Dec. 26 in San Antonio. The next day, she sent the baby's father, Logan McQueary, 25, a text message, telling him she had killed the baby.

That's when he went to the police.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/01/07/20100107johnson0107.html
 
  • #188
Has anyone seen a reward offered for Gabe ?
 
  • #189
You all have probally already figured this out but lol it is a light bulb moment for me. So EJ texted Logan on Dec 27th telling him she had killed the baby.:

Johnson was arrested Dec. 30 at a Miami hospital. It was unclear why she was there. She was without her son, who was last seen Dec. 26 in San Antonio. The next day, she sent the baby's father, Logan McQueary, 25, a text message
, telling him she had killed the baby
.

That's when he went to the police.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/01/07/20100107johnson0107.html

Oh a hospital??? This whole time I thought it was a hostel. I need to get my eyes checked!
 
  • #190
Well...JMO...that is just a blog that is to "preserve the original family" ..
while I certainly applaud their effort to stop black market adoptions I think they may
go too far cause the truth is that there are a lot of "families" we see in these "cases" that should not be "preserved"

I don't want to lose focus on the biomom...

she began threats to Gabriel when he was 3 weeks old


Yeah, I have to agree with you a bit on this... I had the same thoughts. But then again, I'm not so well versed as I should be in child trafficking and such. It's interesting to think about both sides - I'm not quite sure what I myself would say is best to promote globally because it all depends on the independent cases and context. That being said, I can see the danger when there are child traffickers out there and not much has been done about it.
 
  • #191
Oh a hospital??? This whole time I thought it was a hostel. I need to get my eyes checked!

Geez, me too. What was she doing at a hospital?
 
  • #192
Oh a hospital??? This whole time I thought it was a hostel. I need to get my eyes checked!

LOL I think the reporter messed up ... I did not even notice. It is my understanding it was a Hostel as well and I believe that is were she was arrested at a Hostel. lol
 
  • #193
Thanks for the comments on the baby with the finger to it's mouth - I hadn't ever seen it before.
 
  • #194
She was arrested at a hostel, I am 100% sure of this, unless the other 50 media sources are wrong.
Remember this is the same media that talks about baby Gabrielle and how they found his car...
(Those are just two of the headline flubs over the past couple days.)

In short, I have no idea what to believe, but I am going with hostel.
 
  • #195
LOL I think the reporter messed up ... I did not even notice. It is my understanding it was a Hostel as well and I believe that is were she was arrested a Hostel. lol

LOL. Ok, then we all need our eyes checked or better reporters! I'll go with the second!
 
  • #196
The thing about her selling her dogs and renting out her room....what room?? Where was she living?? With gramps??
 
  • #197
The thing about her selling her dogs and renting out her room....what room?? Where was she living?? With gramps??

I thought she had an apartment with LM. Who knows with her though.
 
  • #198
The thing about her selling her dogs and renting out her room....what room?? Where was she living?? With gramps??

I thought she had been living with the baby's father until 12/8/09 when she gave the baby to the Smiths. I have no idea where she lived after that but wherever it was I don't know how she could get a room and them immediately rent it out to another person for $400.
 
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  • #200
What did this woman do, put an ad on Craigslist saying she had a baby for adoption? Why are the Smiths lying about how they met her? It is obvious that they have been sending out feelers for a baby for a while, the web is full of their messages about looking to adopt or foster a baby. One of the things that bothers me is in the interview that EJ did from the jail she talks about how she was given so much praise for "doing the right thing" and giving the baby to a loving home and now all the sudden she was being villified for handing him over to strangers. I think the only people that were giving her praise were the Smiths. The brainwashed this negligent mother into thinking she was wonderful for giving him up, instead of the truth that she just didn't want to deal with him. She really sounds shocked that people are questioning her "brave" decision.
 
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