AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #7

[Mels3kidz]

I could be completely wrong on this, but I imagine that a passport would be a lot harder to "fake" than a state ID. And also a lot higher chance of being snagged in the long run.

I agree.

In order to get baby a passport in a legal foreign adoption, a new birth certificate (with baby's new name) would be issued by the state approving the adoption. The couple would then have to take that BC to their country's Consulate and have the passport issued.

In order to get a passport for an U.S. born minors both parents have to appear with a few exceptions (listed in link below). You pretty much have to jump through hoops to get a minor a passport without both parentss approval.

And there is no way they could have gotten back as quickly as they would have needed it. IMO

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/minors/minors_834.html

 

[panthera]

Is 15 years in the slammer all EJ is going to get? ( I heard this on HLN)

Can't she spend the REST of her life in Jail?

I hope they hit her with more charges, If she likes jail that much then maybe she should just stay there.

I thought the sentence for kidnapping was higher, but I also heard 15 years so I'm confused too.

 

[momtective]

I believe she knows too and I think this whole thing was her idea. I despise Tammi/Jack Smith and I've never said that about people that I don't know in my real life. :blushing:

Oh believe me I know how you feel! I absolutely loath what I believe that woman has done!

 

[time]

There was one woman (an experienced surrogate) on the surrogate site that I somehow got to via Tammi's stuff on there that said European/International adoptions are very common. Having said that, I think Gabriel is still in some decent abode on some acreage somewhere.

 

[Torrie]

Why are we not hearing about any searches? I mean, I may have missed it, but have cadaver dogs been used at the car/hotel? Why haven't we heard (other than from the lying EJ) whether there was video at the hotel or not? Shouldn't there be searches going on, at least in SA, where the baby was last seen? It just doesn't seem like anyone is DOING anything. ?!? I'm very frustrated tonight, with so little to go on!

 

[mum]

OH DEAR GOSH!! NG and her panel are NUTS,,,,,,,,,they were trying to protray that because baby Gabriel in not with the Smiths or his mom or dad, that he will not get fed and he is too young to take care of hisself??? They all about ratings but with comments like tonights,,...

 

[time]

Originally Posted by Shear22 View Post
Did anyone else catch on NG when TPS was talking about how she knew EJ was lying to her that she mentioned that the circumstances EJ was describing about the mystery couple were remarkably similar to how EJ met the Smiths? TPS was implying that it all sounded hinky to her (though last week she didn't have a problem with it at all and said that EJ was just trying to protect her baby). Then she mentioned that EJ said that the mystery couple had a tan carseat that they brought with them and TPS said to NG that the carseat that she [Tammi] and JS had was tan too. Didn't she say a few days ago that they had to ask EJ to use her carseat because they didn't have one?

I think this needs to be documented and see if we can show it was big slip up?

 

[iluvmua]

I'm sure we will see EJ on a future episode of Snapped sooner or later.
(same with Casey)

 

[Ransom]

I think this needs to be documented and see if we can show it was big slip up?

Yes. Tammi had to beg for the car seat and now she has a car seat that E gave her? Another contradiction. # ????? I lost count of the lies.

 

[Taminator]

IMO, TPS's visit was to check on EJ's demeanor. She wanted to see for herself if she had turned on her.

I wholeheartedly agree with what about this?'s comment earlier. I think EJ's lawyer is telling her not to make waves with these people (the Smiths). I don't doubt for a second that the laywer has told her how they are throwing her under the bus.

 

[redfish]

But, for them being so methodical -- doesn't it seem that they HAVE Gabriel -- trying to get something bigger/

I agree. Never has it been so obvious in a missing child case that I have seen,that they ARE NOT searching for this baby. A lot of talk, yes, (mostly by the Smiths) but not a lot of action that the General Public is seeing. Maybe that see what I think I am seeing. These people KNOW about illigal adoption.... they KNOW the ropes.... they SEEM to deal with alot of unwed mothers on a regular basis...

 

[what about this?]

What makes no sense to me is the fact that TS has been throwing EJ under the bus on Nancy Grace here lately, but still feels like she is the only one besides EJ's lawyer that EJ will talk to. Is this all part of a bigger plan..because I would think that EJ would not keep telling her things because of all of her trash talking.

They must have had a plan in place ahead of time if she got arrested and what EJ would do and what TS would say and do in the media. Also...there is a reason that LE is making certain inforamtion public such as the Craig Cherry to see if TS will divulge more info. Usually LE doesn't reveal their hand like this. I think that something big is about to happen!!

Yes, I think so, too.

(Karnak the Magnificant has spoken)

 

[what about this?]

OH DEAR GOSH!! NG and her panel are NUTS,,,,,,,,,they were trying to protray that because baby Gabriel in not with the Smiths or his mom or dad, that he will not get fed and he is too young to take care of hisself??? They all about ratings but with comments like tonights,,...

And that is disgusting.

 

[Gypsy Road]

Did TPS say she talked to EJ with a reporter by her side? Where is the reporters account of this so called "interview"? I'd like read it his or her take on the interview! I'm sure it was recorded. And I wish the jail would release the recording!

 

[what about this?]

If he's alive, and if she wanted to make sure Logan would never see him again, taking him to another country like Mexico (at least to start with) would be the only possible way I could see this being such a "sure thing". MOO

This may not be so much directed at Logan-- she met someone who was a "mother" figure, and her mother was murdered. She may be trusting TSP with everything. TSP knows this and is taking FULL ADVANTAGE - hence, the trip over on Sonday when there was a lockdown (sorry about the "hences" but I like them), and her little trip over there today-- TSP is such a horrible person -

WHERE ARE THE SWAT TEAMS? sorry - just MO, BUT REALLY -- Unbelievable.

 

[Ransom]

Why are we not hearing about any searches? I mean, I may have missed it, but have cadaver dogs been used at the car/hotel? Why haven't we heard (other than from the lying EJ) whether there was video at the hotel or not? Shouldn't there be searches going on, at least in SA, where the baby was last seen? It just doesn't seem like anyone is DOING anything. ?!? I'm very frustrated tonight, with so little to go on!

If you go back to thread #1 (hope this works since I am so inept at this [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93421"]AZ - 8 mo. old Gabriel Johnson missing since 12-26-09, last seen in Texas - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame] and look at the date of the first posting) No one knew about the missing boy until after the fact and days later. Too little too late, imo, but tonight on NG they were doing some searches in San Antonio, or at least I thought I heard that????

 

[Taminator]

Is 15 years in the slammer all EJ is going to get? ( I heard this on HLN)

Can't she spend the REST of her life in Jail?

I hope they hit her with more charges, If she likes jail that much then maybe she should just stay there.

Maybe child laundering charges?

 

[Ransom]

This may not be so much directed at Logan-- she met someone who was a "mother" figure, and her mother was murdered. She may be trusting TSP with everything. TSP knows this and is taking FULL ADVANTAGE - hence, the trip over on Monday when there was a lockdown, and her little trip over there today-- TSP is such a horrible person -

WHERE ARE THE SWAT TEAMS? sorry - just MO, BUT REALLY -- Unbelievable.

Elizabeth's mother was murdered? I never knew that. I knew both her parents were deceased, but murdered? Where did that come from? TIA.

 

[sandcastles4me]

I can not believe she said I needed to go to quite place so I came into his room and I am looking at his crib ....... He had a room, a crib, clothes and a carseat. This women is delusional. He was never hers. She should of never had him for the time she did.

 

[Mels3kidz]

The story was just on our local news. Pretty much repeating everything that has already been said here. Asking if any one has any information to please call Crimestoppers.

Melissa