GUILTY AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[mck16]

Ohhh gliving that made me tear up. She is such an animated little sweetheart. I hadn't seen that one either. Thank You! I do hope she is safe, I wish I could just feel she was.

What was she singing? I couldn't hear it. tia

 

[~n/t~]

What was she singing? I couldn't hear it. tia

Abba's money money money..it's a rich man's world.

It's from the Mamma Mia movie.

http://www.lyrics007.com/Abba Lyrics/Money, Money, Money (Mamma Mia! The Movie) Lyrics.html

 

[GutFeeling!]

I don't believe LE has any info on whether Isabel is dead or alive-how could they? We have heard this answer in so many cases (no reason to believe he/she is deceased.) We heard it about Kyron for months on end, until they stopped talking about him at all, even when they were searching woods and fields and examining animal bones...

Without a crime scene to show injury, I don't think LE ever can know the status of the person. But you never hear LE say they believe someone is dead, IMO, unless they have some evidence that points to it, or at least a history of violence, ie. Jhessye (spelling/sorry).

JMO

We hav a missing child here, she went missing in 1985. There is one detective that worked on the case (as a rookie) that has her photo and files in his office and he still calls her missing to this day. I really believe until he sees the bones himself he will continue to say she is alive.

 

[claudicici]

I have not read too much in this thread but I have a question.Who's step son is AC?

I"m sorry Im quoting myself but does anyone know how he is related to Isa?
Does anyone else think he might resemble the police sketch from the other incident where the little girls were molested in the same area?

 

[GutFeeling!]

WOW! That is some list. Thank you. I noticed the last page was a form to give permission to search. Were any of the neighbors homes searched? Were the dogs taken throughout the neighborhood following Isas' scent?

This is only the second case I have followed so I am not sure what procedures are normal.

It just seems to me that no one is or has been frantic about this child being missing. When my grandchildren could not be found while in my care I called 911. Five minutes later 911 called back asking for descriptions of the children and clothing. I was so upset and I told them to get here NOW. Once here, the first officer on the scene had me using his PA system calling for the kids. Then searchers arrived and I gave them photos. About 45 minutes after the initial 911 call the dogs came to help search. Every car that went past my house was stopped. They even had helicopters ready to search after dark. Thank God they were found within an hour and on my land at that. Quite embarrassing to me but I was ever so grateful.

Is there a common practice among all LE of how to handle a missing child case?

OMG you must have been going crazy when your grandkids went walk about, you poor thing! I don't think there is anything to be embarrassed about. You did the right thing, had a quick search and called 911 within minutes - I know that is what the department here wants you to do.

If you look back on the first thread here there is literally a plethora of media links to the story.

There was extensive searches. TPD called the FBI and US Marshalls for help, they had a helicopter up, the county's rescure team was called in, I imagine extra personnell from the department were used (I have seen officers just not go off duty when there is a missing child) they searched the landfill quickly and conducted searches around bodies of water. they got bloodhounds in, the FBI flew two dogs in from Virginia.
Community groups have been set up (there are a couple of facebook pages to try and help with searches and flyers.

they are the things just off the top of my head, so they didn't take it lightly.

 

[mck16]

I"m sorry Im quoting myself but does anyone know how he is related to Isa?
Does anyone else think he might resemble the police sketch from the other incident where the little girls were molested in the same area?

Who is he and where is a picture of him? tia

 

[pieper4]

I"m sorry Im quoting myself but does anyone know how he is related to Isa?
Does anyone else think he might resemble the police sketch from the other incident where the little girls were molested in the same area?

I am afraid I'm drawing a blank on "AC" and/or any stepson. Sorry. Maybe someone else knows what you are referring to...

 

[carole]

I"m sorry Im quoting myself but does anyone know how he is related to Isa?
Does anyone else think he might resemble the police sketch from the other incident where the little girls were molested in the same area?

who is AC??

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The articles I quote are from the MSM - KVOA not from the examiner.

Exactly and thank you.

That is why I quoted the article written by KVOA only!

I was just jumping off your post because in a prior post an article from the Examiner was posted saying that the cadavar dog hit which is inaccurate reporting.

LE has never said they got a cadavar hit but said they are going on the premise that Isa is alive.

I should have made my post clearer........Im sorry about the misunderstanding.

I am thankful you put up a legitimate MSM article showing that LE has never said the hit was by the cadavar dog.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18154664/tucson-police-give-update-on-isabel-celis-case

This is really disheartning. It sounds like they dont have a clue who took Isa from her family.

Large amounts of false leads and rumors have been coming from social media, according to Pacheco.

OMG! I hope some people arent wasting LEs valuable time sending in their theories on the case. Its is taking time away from finding Isa, imo.

imo

 

[Dr. Know?]

There's a news reporter, Paige Hansen w/KOLD , that tweeted they would have an interview with Isa's parents in a few minutes. The were at a baseball game earlier today.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/category/218560/kold-news-13-live-video

 

[carole]

Exactly and thank you.

That is why I quoted the article written by KVOA only!

I was just jumping off your post because in a prior post an article from the Examiner was posted saying that the cadavar dog hit which is inaccurate reporting.

LE has never said they got a cadavar hit but said they are going on the premise that Isa is alive.

I should have made my post clearer........Im sorry about the misunderstanding.

I am thankful you put up a legitimate MSM article showing that LE has never said the hit was by the cadavar dog.

IMO

No, problem! I thought maybe I didn't make it clear that it came from the tv station. And as someone else pointed out, LE checked the landfill because it's getting to be the thing to do now when a child goes missing whether they use dogs to find evidence elsewhere. Such a sad state for this country to be in - a child goes missing, better go check the landfill.

 

[Dr. Know?]

They are going to put the full interview up after the news.

Correction, softball

 

[GutFeeling!]

I"m sorry Im quoting myself but does anyone know how he is related to Isa?
Does anyone else think he might resemble the police sketch from the other incident where the little girls were molested in the same area?

Sorry I can't think of an AC.

 

[Shelby2]

That's right. All I know, guys, is that detectives and profilers carefully listen to suspects or witnesses grammar when investigating a disappearance or death. The use of past tense has been brought up repeatedly in court cases to prove guilt. Show me ONE case of innocent parents or family members talking about the missing in the past tense? Every case I have looked at where the past tense was used was by people who are guilty.

(Respectfully snipped by me)
I may be wrong here-but didn't Elizabeth Smart's dad use the past tense once when speaking about her? Also Sierra LeMarr's mom has, I do not think she is a POI.
Again, I could be remembering things incorrectly-just that I swore some thought Ed Smart had something to do with his daughter being missing because of that.

 

[elmomom]

Question: wasn't there a neighbor's house on Isa's block, or very nearby that was searched by LE while the area was on lockdown (the first day or two IIRC). I seem to recall that being reported by MSM at the time, and not being mentioned since.

Forgive me, I am certainly guilty of being too lazy to search at the moment. So, if any kind soul has a recollection that could answer my question, thank you in advance. If not, please do not go searching for an answer - as I know I am just being lazy, and sooner or later I will seek out the answer myself...

 

[Isabelle]

(Respectfully snipped by me)
I may be wrong here-but didn't Elizabeth Smart's dad use the past tense once when speaking about her? Also Sierra LeMarr's mom has, I do not think she is a POI.
Again, I could be remembering things incorrectly-just that I swore some thought Ed Smart had something to do with his daughter being missing because of that.

I can understand the use of past tense when discussing children who are missing. To the parents, their child was with them and isn't anymore, so everything about the child 'was'; it must be very difficult for the parents to speak of their child in present tense, as 'is', since they are no longer with them. Everything that can be discussed about their child is in the past, there is no present or future.

 

[Isabelle]

I speak about my son in the past tense, 'he was', etc. He is deceased, he was killed in a motor vehicle accident. That doesn't make me guilty of his death.

 

[Shelby2]

I speak about my son in the past tense, 'he was', etc. He is deceased, he was killed in a motor vehicle accident. That doesn't make me guilty of his death.

Oh how awful! I am so sorry!

 

[Shelby2]

:banghead:

Abba's money money money..it's a rich man's world.

It's from the Mamma Mia movie.

http://www.lyrics007.com/Abba Lyrics/Money, Money, Money (Mamma Mia! The Movie) Lyrics.html

Last night I saw some video of this and could have sworn it was 'Dancing Queen'?