AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #12

[Micheline]

In a statement Friday, Tucson police spokesperson Sgt. Maria Hawke said detectives recently became aware of information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children.

Tucson police said the information was given to CPS for their consideration relating to police's investigation of Isabel's disappearance. Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/tucson-police-work-with-cps-on-missing-isabel-investigation

If this was anything other then one of the parents recently becoming mentally instable over the situation, I doubt the information would be given to CPS "for their consideration".

I mean if one of the parents would have become the prime suspect in the disappearance of Isabel the whole consideration part would be skipped imo.

 

[passionflower]

Didnt this also happen to the step of kyron h? With her daughter? No contact?

 

[joedotnet]

I'm the other 1% of the male population here...and I'm jaded but just in the opposite way. I have no problem with thinking he had something to do with it...

 

[cluciano63]

Didnt this also happen to the step of kyron h? With her daughter? No contact?

Yes but there was a restraining order issued...JMO

 

[PoppyH]

Didnt this also happen to the step of kyron h? With her daughter? No contact?

Yes, after TH had supposedly tried to hire the gardner to Kill Kaine

 

[Emeralgem]

I haven't been here in this forum too much as of late but I have thought since I first saw the parents speak, something was up with the father... I saw shades of Susan Smith as he spoke in that first interview....JMHO

 

[joedotnet]

Right...somewhere between 10 pm and 11 pm, Isa's mom braided her hair, according to Sergio and the LL coach. (Coach says everyone left around the same time about 10 pm). Sergio says Isa went to be around 11 pm after her mom braided her hair.

Again sorry for the questions I should easily be able to look up if I was on my PC....did Sergio and Becky ride together? Or did they ride separately?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Sounds pretty cut and dried to me.
They want to be assured that the continued welfare of the children will still exist.

:seey: Yes, they are concerned for the children's welfare ... AND NOW it has been reported that the children are to have NO contact with ONE of the parents ... do not know which one YET ...

Telling IMO ... very telling ... we shall see ...

:moo:

 

[pieper4]

Understood, I am not going to lie to you, I am a man and 99% of the people in this thread are likely women and yes it chaps my to no end that everyone automatically jumps to the conclusion that it is the father.

It may be the father but we do not know, in fact BECKY the mother has MORE RECENT criminal charges INCLUDING CHILD ENDANGERMENT than Sergio does, all of Sergio's charges where when he was like 22 years old her was like 8 years ago long after it would be expected that one would grow out of doing the sort of stupid crap you do when youre young, like Sergio did.

This may be a case where one parents is simply depressed maybe drinking heavily and it isnt doing the kids any good to be around it, if my kid was missing I would be a freaking basketcase too, Who knows what is going on.

Yes I understand we are all here to speculate and throw out what we think is happening but that still doesnt mean it doesnt chap my as a man when everyone blames the father immediately without any evidence to suggest he did anything wrong.

Just my two cents dont pay any attention to me...

Mom also has ties to Douglas, AZ (don't start... my family were pioneers and politicians there, but it IS known as a port of entry for contraband and has a highly corrupt sister-city in Agua Prieta)... and perhaps even JM on her side of the family. LOL. Could be either parent. I'm placing odds on Dad. Not *just* because he is a male. Seriously. I swear.

The dismissed charges *are* odd to me above and beyond diversion. Connections, perhaps? Who knows. We are ALL waiting to hear how this plays out. And hoping for the safe return of Isabel.

 

[cluciano63]

I admit, I got bad vibes from Sergio too...but that is just a feeling on my part and in no way reflects anything else.

 

[pieper4]

Again sorry for the questions I should easily be able to look up if I was on my PC....did Sergio and Becky ride together? Or did they ride separately?

We don't know ANY of that for a fact, @Joe. No answers from LE. Answers from family are NOT verified by LE. Nearly no answers have been provided to even the simplest questions.

 

[katydid23]

Understood, I am not going to lie to you, I am a man and 99% of the people in this thread are likely women and yes it chaps my to no end that everyone automatically jumps to the conclusion that it is the father.

It may be the father but we do not know, in fact BECKY the mother has MORE RECENT criminal charges INCLUDING CHILD ENDANGERMENT than Sergio does, all of Sergio's charges where when he was like 22 years old her was like 8 years ago long after it would be expected that one would grow out of doing the sort of stupid crap you do when youre young, like Sergio did.

This may be a case where one parents is simply depressed maybe drinking heavily and it isnt doing the kids any good to be around it, if my kid was missing I would be a freaking basketcase too, Who knows what is going on.

Yes I understand we are all here to speculate and throw out what we think is happening but that still doesnt mean it doesnt chap my as a man when everyone blames the father immediately without any evidence to suggest he did anything wrong.

Just my two cents dont pay any attention to me...

I totally understand. We do tend to look at men first when a kid goes missing. And Lord Knows, there are plenty of homicidal mothers out there.
So it is unfair.

And Sergio was the most emotional of the two. Becky did seem amazingly controlled, given the situation. My husband has always been the most compassionate parent. My kids call Dad first if they are in trouble. LOL He is a pushover. So I hear ya.

I guess it is just that a 6 yr old girl is usually kidnapped for sexual reasons, sadly. So males are going to be the first suspects. Even though women have done some very evil things as well.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Did she say that or did we assume that since the description said her hair was braided? Sorry, I'm on my phone and hard to search. Thanks!

I think Sergio made the statement about Becky braiding Isa's hair. I'd have to go back through......oh wait! They only did the one interview! I should be able to find that pretty quick.....


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[joedotnet]

We don't know ANY of that for a fact, @Joe. No answers from LE. Answers from family are NOT verified by LE. Nearly no answers have been provided to even the simplest questions.

What a horrible time for me to have left my laptop at work!

 

[Cheyne]

If one of the parents had a breakdown, even threatened suicide, why would CPS issue a "no contact" order? I can see the parent being involuntarily committed, but then they would be in a hospital and the boys could at least talk on the phone, text or write to their parent once they were stable. No contact means just that, NO CONTACT. I wouldn't think a court would issue that kind of order unless there was a clear and present danger to the boys.

 

[gitana1]

Just wanted to say Hello! been in lurker mode...been following this case closely. Hoping to contribute soon but i need to go back and catch up on posts first.

:welcome4:

I didnt expect the children to be in the custody of CPS.

These two boys have suffered a very traumatic event and so has the parents so it only makes sense they are helping the family and are probably think both the parents and the children need therapy to deal with all of this.

This doesnt come as some big shocker to me for them to be involved. CPS has been called in to assist other families in other cases especially if there are other children in the home that are having to deal with the shock of losing a sibling.

Now if the boys were taken from the parents that would be another matter but they havent been and imo, they wont be.

Becky did say that one of their sons was taken this hard so maybe they showed their sadness and depression when they returned to school and that is why CPS has stepped up their involvement. They could have simply broke down and cried hysterically at school or told the teacher that one of their parents cries all the time.

If they thought the parents were involved in Isa's disappearance they would have taken this opportunity to remove the children out of the home........they could have made up some reason to do so but they didnt remove them and that speaks volumes to me.

I think all the family is having a difficult time and I think the school noticed how hard the children are taking it and CPS thinks the family needs guidance.

IMO

I have to disagree with you, friend. CPS placed the children with one parent and issued a no contact requirement in connection with the other parent. That is very, very serious. Essentially it means the children have been taken into state protective custody but physically released to a "safe" parent.

Not good when it comes to a parent's involvement in Isabel's disappearance. Not good at all.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Understood, I am not going to lie to you, I am a man and 99% of the people in this thread are likely women and yes it chaps my to no end that everyone automatically jumps to the conclusion that it is the father.

It may be the father but we do not know, in fact BECKY the mother has MORE RECENT criminal charges INCLUDING CHILD ENDANGERMENT than Sergio does, all of Sergio's charges where when he was like 22 years old her was like 8 years ago long after it would be expected that one would grow out of doing the sort of stupid crap you do when youre young, like Sergio did.

This may be a case where one parents is simply depressed maybe drinking heavily and it isnt doing the kids any good to be around it, if my kid was missing I would be a freaking basketcase too, Who knows what is going on.

Yes I understand we are all here to speculate and throw out what we think is happening but that still doesnt mean it doesnt chap my as a man when everyone blames the father immediately without any evidence to suggest he did anything wrong.

Just my two cents dont pay any attention to me...

I always pay attention to you. You have always made very good sense and I do understand your frustration.

I am proud to tell you, Paxi, and I assure you I am a woman, but I have never ever immediately assumed or played instant leap frog and accused a father or a husband or any male for that matter right off the bat and dont intend to start.

I wait for the evidence and in this case there isnt one shred of evidence to suggest Sergio did anything wrong.

And until that time... if it ever comes at all.....I will continue to support him.

IMO

 

[PAXIMUS]

Also take in to consideration if this were something serious that pointed to involvement in her disappearance they cops would NOT involve civilians from CPS they would immediately move and detain someone, this tells me it is more likely they are succumbing to the pressure and stress and having marriage problems perhaps one of them has some anger management issues and needs to be removed to calm down and get their head together.

 

[pieper4]

Looks like only KVOA is providing the status of "no contact". Or am I missing something?!?

 

[PAXIMUS]

I may be wrong and of course I realize the odds are not in my favor but I wont be eating any crow if it IS the father simply because I take the position I am taking due to the fact that my profession prevents me from jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts, I have seen too much weird **** over the years to know that things are rarely what they seem to be.