AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #12

[joedotnet]

I am administrative assistant to 6 felines! I do have room and board on the job.

Can you take my fat lazy beagle too?

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[PAXIMUS]

That cat that lets Paximus live with him?

This is me and my cat right here, exactly.


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[Isabelle]

To be fair, this may have to do with one of the Celis' not doing well under all the stress Isabel's disappearance brought about. One of them may have lost it with one of the boys in some way. Has nothing at all to do with her disappearance.

But under the circumstances, it just looks bad. I am still on the fence with the parents. I want to believe them, I really do.

I would think if stress was the cause, medical care would be in order.

 

[Oneoffourhills]

I find it very hard to watch Sergio sing "Ave Maria" so peacefully-and reconcile in my mind that he may have killed/hidden this same daughter he sings for. Yet, I know it is in the realm of possibility. Having this feeling leads me to search for ways that these parents can be innocent, but have yet found themselves in this custody/no contact situation. I do not think that substance abuse, or mental health issues are substantive enough to warrant such wording. However, I can entertain the idea that amongst the questioning of the boys, by either LE, or conversations of the boys with friends, classmates, family, teachers, counselors that some issue of abuse\physical disipline from the non-custodial parent, has caused LE, CPS to err on the side of caution in protection of these kids. I feel like the wording, this action was taken after the parents met with CPS and TPD could indicate an issue that still under AZ law must be dealt with. I do not think that in a situation where there was imminent danger to these children, meetings would be held. I guess what I am saying is that the non-custodial parent could be suspected of abusing their child, yet still not have killed or hidden the child. I am really, really wanting to find a way to NOT suspect this family.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

:floorlaugh:

I think she is talking about this case, she is correct about the car that was not being used for whatever reason.

I don't know where that smiley came from???

I am way behind in reading...and I know this is o/t... And I am tired and getting slap happy... But your mysterious smiley almost made me spew coffee on my iPad screen!:floorlaugh:

 

[Shelby2]

To be fair, this may have to do with one of the Celis' not doing well under all the stress Isabel's disappearance brought about. One of them may have lost it with one of the boys in some way. Has nothing at all to do with her disappearance.

But under the circumstances, it just looks bad. I am still on the fence with the parents. I want to believe them, I really do.

I want to believe them too, I have believed them...but from what I am reading, LE makes it sound like CPS is involved because of the disappearance.
If it has to do with something else, I wish they would just say so. How would that hurt the case? Just to say if it's something that came up during the investigation but has nothing to to with Isabel's disappearance?

But they're not saying that and that's what's bothering me.

 

[gitana1]

To be fair, this may have to do with one of the Celis' not doing well under all the stress Isabel's disappearance brought about. One of them may have lost it with one of the boys in some way. Has nothing at all to do with her disappearance.

But under the circumstances, it just looks bad. I am still on the fence with the parents. I want to believe them, I really do.

It does look bad. I contemplated one parent "losing it" but if they lost it in a serious enough manner for CPS to demand that said parent be kept away from the child or custody would be taken from both parent, you would either see: 1) An arrest due to violence or threats of harm, or; 2) A hospitalization of a parent having a breakdown.

Listen, my feeling was that the parents simply do not fit the demographic of a family who would be involved in the murder of a child. I did not find their post-disappearance behavior necessarily indicative of guilt. I tended to believe they were not involved. But, this information changes my perception. At the least, LE, IMO, has enough evidence or has painted a compelling enough picture to CPS to justify the removal of the other children from one of those parents. And since it is LE whose information started the ball rolling, whatever they have is more likely than not, connected to Isabel.

I will remain open but this really changes how I feel about this case.

 

[Whisperer]

Ot is anyone else having trouble with their thanks buttons? I keep clicking on posts and it doesn't show up.

That happens all the time to me. I just refresh and the "thanks" returns. Somebody told me it helps to clear your cookies and cache.

 

[Shelby2]

I am way behind in reading...and I know this is o/t... And I am tired and getting slap happy... But your mysterious smiley almost made me spew coffee on my iPad screen!:floorlaugh:

LOL I know, that was weird, I was quoting someone and it just appeared.
Maybe I amused it.

 

[Knox]

However, I really don't think that's what happened in this case. MSM is stating there is a no contact order. CPS does not issue court orders.

Snipped from your post Gitana1.

Just to be clear. The no contact order was filed by TPD and not CPS? Would this be obtained in a family law court, therefore it is not on the court website where traffic and criminal records are listed?

 

[tiredblondy]

It does look bad. I contemplated one parent "losing it" but if they lost it in a serious enough manner for CPS to demand that said parent be kept away from the child or custody would be taken from both parent, you would either see: 1) An arrest due to violence or threats of harm, or; 2) A hospitalization of a parent having a breakdown.

Listen, my feeling was that the parents simply do not fit the demographic of a family who would be involved in the murder of a child. I did not find their post-disappearance behavior necessarily indicative of guilt. I tended to believe they were not involved. But, this information changes my perception. At the least, LE, IMO, has enough evidence or has painted a compelling enough picture to CPS to justify the removal of the other children from one of those parents. And since it is LE whose information started the ball rolling, whatever they have is more likely than not, connected to Isabel.

I will remain open but this really changes how I feel about this case.

Same for several of us I suspect, what are some reasons you might guess this could happen? If they are encouraging a child to lie, could that happen. My mind goes where I don't want it to with a no contact order!

 

[Emeralgem]

I'm going to climb out on that limb and say IF one of the parents is not allowed any contact with the children, it's the father...JMHO

 

[Shelby2]

This is me and my cat right here, exactly.


http://nedroid.com/2009/05/party-cat-full-series/

HA!:floorlaugh:

 

[PAXIMUS]

Originally Posted by katydid23
That's because he is a tuxedo cat. The best cats in the world

Now that I own a Tuxedo cat I dont think I could own anything else, they have a personality that is just different from any other cat, I absolutely LOVE him. He showed up when he was about a little less than one year old I would guess, in my backyard EATING the birds under my bird feeder, he was skinny and starving and he quickly took a liking to his new daddy and we have never been apart since going on two years now, I dont know what I would do without my little Wilbur (named after the Wildcat mascot of the University of Arizona in Tucson).

 

[Knox]

Knox, I am jumping off the fence tonight so you better go in the opposite direction. I'm always wrong.

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[joedotnet]

Ok...if one of the parents did it...with such a short timeframe from last saw by others and the disappearance....what are some possible scenarios. I can't really come up with a good one unless one was covering up for the other. Unless, Becky didn't really see Isa at home that night...only at the ball field and assumed Isa was home....but she wasn't....but that theory contradicts their NBC interview.

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[Helenstreet]

Maybe one made threats that they were going to kill themselves because of Isa being missing.

My opinion is that if this was just a mental health situation brought on because of Isabel's disappearance, the parent would be reported taken to a hospital. Being ordered not to have ANY contact with your own children is something much more serious, in my opinion.

 

[tiredblondy]

Gitana, I am familiar with a no contact order because of what happened with one of my friends daughters and it was about sexual abuse. Do you think they would do it for physical abuse?

 

[Emeralgem]

Now that I own a Tuxedo cat I dont think I could own anything else, they have a personality that is just different from any other cat, I absolutely LOVE him. He showed up when he was about a little less than one year old I would guess, in my backyard EATING the birds under my bird feeder, he was skinny and starving and he quickly took a liking to his new daddy and we have never been apart since going on two years now, I dont know what I would do without my little Wilbur (named after the Wildcat mascot of the University of Arizona in Tucson).

O/T My daughter has a Boston Terrier and she looks like she is wearing a tuxedo.

 

[MvD]

Sergio set off my hinky meter from the get go.. so my gut instinct tells me it will be him that has been served a no contact order. JMO.. but I think an arrest is imminent. Ive also felt TPD decided pretty early on that there was no abduction, and that was the reason for the landfill searches, and also why they've kept the search to a 3 mile radius.