AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #12

[MyTinkieGirl]

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/category/179377/video-center?clipId=7176929&autostart=true

OK, IMO...just MY opinion....that guy is sooo full of himself....someone way back had said he seemed like a "drama queen".

This whole "Ave Maria" performance was beyond wacko, IMO. LE has been literally BEGGING them to come out and make pleas or statements to the public, but he's up in the pulpit singing Ave Maria in his best operatic AND dramatic voice.
I'm Catholic, and maybe I'm bizarre, but this song has NEVER brought tears to my eyes...in fact, IMO, every time it's done, it's ALWAYS "over done"...again, just IMO. I KNOW there are many out there who love it, and are filled with emotion when it's sung, I know it brings feelings of consolation when things seem the darkest. But, maybe I'm a bad Catholic...please don't stone me!! LOL

From the get go, when, IIRC, NG showed pics of him in makeup for one of his shows...he just made my hair stand on end. I thought he was wearing makeup when he did the first PC.

A post that says it all for me...

pieper4
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012
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FWIW, I've worked in the entertainment business for over 13 years (stage, TV, live performances)... Mr. C is a consummate performer. He's got the affect of a true stage actor. And alligator tears are NOT easy to come by for those not well trained. Yes, I know many people simply stop producing tears in tragic situations. But they don't have the presence of stage-mind to hold their chins up at the critical angle, focus intently or otherwise project the best possible persona.

Just my dos centavos.

NONE of this makes this man a kidnapper or a bad person, just kind of creepy, IMO.

On the CPS issue, etc....maybe one of the parents went off on the 2 boys because they were right in the room next door...OR, actually WERE sleeping in the SAME room when Isa was taken and didn't wake anyone up....or maybe they heard something and didn't get up to see what it was???

 

[thefragile7393]

This may seem a bit off the wall, but I'm wondering if one of the parents has been molesting the boys.
Just thinking as to why the boys have been given to one parent.

It wouldn't have to be for molestation. There are a host of reasons why only one parent would currently have custody with no contact.

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[FrayedKnot]

Morning, peeps.

Just finished catching up and wiping the drool from my chin whilst dreaming of huevos con chorizo.

Stuff I wanna add:

-In light of the fact that the non custodial parent may have NO CONTACT with the boys, I am not of the opinion that this is simply nervous breakdown/self medicating/emotional distress. No contact is a huge deal and IMO, reserved for cases with some seriously bad cheet going on. I am not even convinced substance abuse would do it, unless there was some physical or sexual abuse of the kids while under the influence.

-SC comes off as a total drama queen to me, too. And several times I have noted that BC looked like she wanted to choke him. And I get that. He sets me off, too, and I am not even sure why.

-Uncle Cousin is still in my scope. Milk ain't clean, there and I'll betcha we haven't heard the last from him.

-There's also some serious stank coming from these numerous dismissed charges for the family. Makes me think they have friends or family in high places helping them wipe the slate clean. This needs some looking into.

-I know WE don't sleuth minors, but would LE have done any investigating into the friends of the Celis kids, especially the older boy? 14 ain't what it was back in the dark ages when I was a lass. Might there be some "wrong crowd" element that found it's way into the home and facilitated by the parent who now is not permitted contact?

Ok. Sorry for the novel. I need some more coffee. Although I actually SLEPT, unlike some of you kids with those big "L"s on yer foreheads.

Oh, and HB, Paximus!


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[CinnamonGirl]

BBM - YES! I've always felt like she was the more "dominant" one in the relationship. I've suspected all along that she is the one who didn't want anyone talking to the media - but for whatever reason I believed her reasoning. She didn't like being in front of the camera, She didn't want her family on the camera. But would the more dominant one allow something to be happening under their own roof? And then last night I was reading a lot of posters talk about substance abuse, and drinking, and for whatever reason I see BC more likely to relapse. She is just SO in control of her emotions, SO confident, seemingly controlling the families decisions. And I have noticed some tension with her and Sergio, her not wanting to look at him etc...and originally I thought she might suspect him of some wrongdoing. But what if it is really guilt?

All I know is that before she was off my radar, and now shes back on. I hope we can get some more info today. :banghead:

Edit to say: Still keeping it in the back of my head that she is the one who said they didn't want to "screw something else up" (I believe was the wording).

I think both of them are alcoholic, after reading all the times they were in court for DUI's. Just keep praying for Isabel. But it is getting dangerous now to me after this last report of no contact for the boys for one parent. To me this proves there is aggression towards the kids in this family by one or both parents.

 

[taagean]

It wouldn't have to be for molestation. There are a host of reasons why only one parent would currently have custody with no contact.

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Thank you, I realize that. I didn't say that molestation was the only reason, I just wondered if it could be a reason.

 

[FrayedKnot]

It wouldn't have to be for molestation. There are a host of reasons why only one parent would currently have custody with no contact.

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What ARE the reasons? I have no experience with CPS and haven't been able to find any sort of definitive 'list' of qualifiers for a no contact order. It's making me crazy!

I mean, I assume sexual abuse would be one, and possibly even physical abuse (although I bet in some cases even that would be allowed closely supervised contact). MOO.

TIA!


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[Emeralgem]

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/category/179377/video-center?clipId=7176929&autostart=true

n/t thank you.. hmmm.. Interesting to say the least and I'm speaking in regards to both. JMHO

 

[~n/t~]

I just hate pointing my finger at the parents after what Tori Stafford's parents went through when she went missing.

I'm just so concerned with CPS involvement though and I am so afraid for Isabel and what may have happened to her. Her poor brothers. Did they witness something? Heartbreaking.

 

[gingerbread]

Would the no contact order have been issued because one of the parents has been threatening the children, trying to force them to keep quiet about what they may have seen the night of Isabel's disappearance?

 

[iSleuth]

:fence:

This may seem a bit off the wall, but I'm wondering if one of the parents has been molesting the boys.
Just thinking as to why the boys have been given to one parent.

am I the only one who picked up on SC 's response. Comforting the boys by lots of "cuddling". How old are the boys?

 

[Lava]

Would the no contact order have been issued because one of the parents has been threatening the children, trying to force them to keep quiet about what they may have seen the night of Isabel's disappearance?

I wonder if they could prove this, would it be cause for an arrest?

 

[Theforeigner]

I have also wondered if the FBI behavioral analysts unit, whom are STILL on the case (according to the LE Pess Conferences), have reached the conclution that one of the parents is NOT telling the truth (my take; STILL the father as it has been since I saw/heard him speak the first time).
Such a conclusion combined with some other info the police have, might have caused the latest development.

 

[~n/t~]

:fence:

am I the only one who picked up on SC 's response. Comforting the boys by lots of "cuddling". How old are the boys?

14 and 12 I think

 

[Lava]

Does anyone have any information on the ER vs Rebecca and Sergio civil(?) case of 2003?

 

[thefragile7393]

:fence:

am I the only one who picked up on SC 's response. Comforting the boys by lots of "cuddling". How old are the boys?

There isn't necessarily an age limit on cuddling. In times of stress i would curl up next to my mom or i'd sit on her lap deliberately because she'd always grumble how i was too heavy to sit with her now. It's not a big deal.....in times of stress sometimes kids kind of revert to acting somewhat younger than they are and need extra snuggles and love from a close person. These kids have been under extreme stress.

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[Shelby2]

Morning, peeps.

Just finished catching up and wiping the drool from my chin whilst dreaming of huevos con chorizo.

Stuff I wanna add:

-In light of the fact that the non custodial parent may have NO CONTACT with the boys, I am not of the opinion that this is simply nervous breakdown/self medicating/emotional distress. No contact is a huge deal and IMO, reserved for cases with some seriously bad cheet going on. I am not even convinced substance abuse would do it, unless there was some physical or sexual abuse of the kids while under the influence.

-SC comes off as a total drama queen to me, too. And several times I have noted that BC looked like she wanted to choke him. And I get that. He sets me off, too, and I am not even sure why.

-Uncle Cousin is still in my scope. Milk ain't clean, there and I'll betcha we haven't heard the last from him.

-There's also some serious stank coming from these numerous dismissed charges for the family. Makes me think
they have friends or family in high places helping them wipe the slate clean. This needs some looking into.

-I know WE don't sleuth minors, but would LE have done any investigating into the friends of the Celis kids, especially the older boy? 14 ain't what it was back in the dark ages when I was a lass. Might there be some "wrong crowd" element that found it's way into the home and facilitated by the parent who now is not permitted contact?

Ok. Sorry for the novel. I need some more coffee. Although I actually SLEPT, unlike some of you kids with those big "L"s on yer foreheads.

Oh, and HB, Paximus!


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I'm wondering about that myself..maybe it was easier to get off on those charges then? Although, about 8 years ago one of our rookie cops pulled over a suspected DUI and it was one of our Sargents. A supervisor was called, he was arrested and charged-nothing was dismissed. I'm in MA and maybe our laws are different, I'm sure they are...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Do you all realize there are about 30 Sleuthers on this thread right now... in the middle of the night?
It is 12:30 a.m. for me.... so that makes it 2:30 a.m. for a lot of you?

Are we dedicated or what!?! :what:

Just catching up on the overnight posts. I got up to pee at 3:30 (EDT) and was tempted to sneak into the den and log-in to Websleuths

 

[thefragile7393]

Percieved child endangerment...it could be a DV situation, it could be that the habits of someone in the home are causing a bad living situation and that person needs to be removed at least temporarily. Perhaps if there is a drinking issue (from before she disappeared or triggered from the extreme stress after she did) this person could have become violent or aggressive and needed to be removed from the home and away from the kids.

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[taagean]

:fence:

am I the only one who picked up on SC 's response. Comforting the boys by lots of "cuddling". How old are the boys?

I was thinking more of the other parent molesting the boys and Isabel walked in. Maybe the parents sleep in separate rooms therefore BC wouldn't be aware of what could be happening. JMO

 

[Shelby2]

:fence:

am I the only one who picked up on SC 's response. Comforting the boys by lots of "cuddling". How old are the boys?

I thought 10 and 14.