AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #17

[johnQpublic]

Night Folk's Prayers for Isabel... Probably the most productive thing to do to aide in this search....

 

[fancyface]

JMO, I think the connection to the 4-20 date doesn't amount to anything. Smoking weed did not cause this mess where a little girl disappearred, IMO. SC works in a dental office, and RC in nursing, so I can't see them going out of their way for a little weed or even street drugs like Meth. It would seem they could get a higher grade of drugs. I wouldn't even think drugs if SC didn't sound so out-of-it on that 911 call.

unfortunately, it is very common for drug use, and child abuse to go hand in hand. Smoking weed probably did not cause this mess, the element of people around their lifestyle and /or the people in the home did. Their is a cold case here in Yuma, a 10 year old girl named Amberly Mendoza was raped and murdered in her bed. The screen was taken off her bedroom window. The killer was never found. This happen in 1996 around the same time Jone Benet was murdered. The father of Amberly was on meth that night, and their is rumor he owed some debts and he and the group of friends he ran with where really into .

 

[Shelby2]

I agree!

While I don't necessarily think some crayon on a closet wall means anything nefarious, I do think that when a 6 year old little girl goes missing, NOTHING is too insignificant to be examined.

Who knows what even the most harmless bit of evidence may be able to tell LE so that they can bring Isa home?

IMO


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Do you think it's odd that two different reporters seemed to know about it?

 

[Shelby2]

Does anyone think that LE purposely leaks info the night or a few nights before PC's lately on purpose? This is at least the second time...

 

[spoiledmom]

I don't know--- LE did notify Mexico.

If LE believes the cartel is involved, they certainly won't notify the public about it. They would want to keep that information private. So in reality, no one knows if it is what LE could be thinking or not. You are correct, they did notify Mexican authorities, contact US marshals and FBI rather quickly.

 

[Shelby2]

Evidentally you have not read thier criminal history files or perhaps if you did did'nt understand what you read. SC, RC and JM all have had a drug charge and SC and JM do have Meth Related charges in thier records. ... do some digging and know the complaint codes and the terminology combinations used on reports for citations for different offences and you'll put it together. Don't understand what your reading in the case file just call pima court and say hey uhhh I found this citation in my son's room... whats this phrase mean ? No joke.. they will explain it to you.... just don't give them the case number.

I guess I'll go back and look at them again..I did look up all the citation/complaint codes too but still couldn't make out exactly what
they meant...

 

[pieper4]

Evidentally you have not read thier criminal history files or perhaps if you did did'nt understand what you read. SC, RC and JM all have had a drug charge and SC and JM do have Meth Related charges in thier records. ... do some digging and know the complaint codes and the terminology combinations used on reports for citations for different offences and you'll put it together. Don't understand what your reading in the case file just call pima court and say hey uhhh I found this citation in my son's room... whats this phrase mean ? No joke.. they will explain it to you.... just don't give them the case number.

Unless I am completely off base here, "vapors" does NOT de facto mean meth. It is the odor of a substance present -- whether marijuana, spray paint, glue, crack or meth. The latter two can have a bazillion different odors depending on how they are cooked and the ingredients. I suspect that most LE don't necessarily have to/can identify what the odor in the vehicle is... hence the vague term "vapors". The charges for RC and SC are lump-sum charges for DUI (driving under the influence of ANYthing)... not specifically noted/differentiated as any particular substance. JM however does have a marijuana charge. Or am I confused?

Someone double-check me on this, please?

 

[Shelby2]

If LE believes the cartel is involved, they certainly won't notify the public about it. They would want to keep that information private. So in reality, no one knows if it is what LE could be thinking or not. You are correct, the did notify Mexican authorities, and contact US marshals and FBI rather quickly.

That reminds me, someone was posting the PC today and said that she/he could not make out what they said about a 'parallel investigation in Mexico'?
Did you hear that?
(of course I can't find the post now!)

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

unfortunately, it is very common for drug use, and child abuse to go hand in hand. Smoking weed probably did not cause this mess, the element of people around their lifestyle and /or the people in the home did. Their is a cold case here in Yuma, a 10 year old girl named Amberly Mendoza was raped and murdered in her bed. The screen was taken off her bedroom window. The killer was never found. This happen in 1996 around the same time Jone Benet was murdered. The father of Amberly was on meth that night, and their is rumor he owed some debts and he and the group of friends he ran with where really into .

I also do not think this was about weed. Unless it was a HUGE operation. And with the easy access of marijuana in California, it would be much more lucrative to be involved in either prescription drugs (which both of them had access to), or hard core stuff like coke, heroin or meth. And knowing what I know about meth users and dealers from my years in CA, they are more often than NOT not in their right mind. When my neighbors doing and dealing were driving me crazy - cars going in and out, blocking my car, throwing trash near our place - on and on, the cops themselves, San Diego's useless, told me to NOT mess with them! The cops themselves were afraid of them. Whether the parents were doing drugs, it doesn't SEEM like it, but they may have gotten themselves into some financial situations that led them down the wrong path. Maybe believing they were doing the right thing at the time but had no idea who they were dealing with. And ten to one, people could have been in that house just once to know where Isa was and where her room was. But random stranger - no way.

 

[johnQpublic]

There are places you can dig a little bit on the police/court interactions with the family. I found it to be glaring of irresponsibility and I was shocked how often there were 'run-ins.' I'll leave that at that.

This family/father seems to have pissed off the wrong person. The more we hear, the more this isn't some random kidnapping.

What happened to the place that supposedly had video cameras facing their property? That info seems to have just disappeared.

Yeah, not to mention that you know, uhhhh.... ya just dont sound too excited when you been awake for 36 or more hours from being twacked out. I would think after gettin twacked out and being on a come down your not exactly gonna tell the 911 operator when they ask about enemies... oh yeah... by the way I pissed off one of my $hit pals, or Well I think I got blazed and when I left for the bathroom my little girl thought my teaner on the table was sugar candy and ate it and overdosed so I took her to the dumpster over behind the mall and then I cleaned my house real good and took the screen out before Beck woke up..... JMO but something to this effect... IDK but this case is tough.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Do you think it's odd that two different reporters seemed to know about it?

No. I mean, if it was mentioned even in passing by whomever was inside to see it, and one person got wind of it, then depending on how it was retold, (perhaps making it sound portentous) it may have begun to take wings.

Doesn't mean it ISN'T a message which could raise red flags, but IMO, it doesn't have to be to still be worthy of a second look if it helps find Isabel.

JMO, but everything is hinky when a little one goes missing, nothing is insignificant!


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[Curious Me]

Evidentally you have not read thier criminal history files or perhaps if you did did'nt understand what you read. SC, RC and JM all have had a drug charge and SC and JM do have Meth Related charges in thier records. ... do some digging and know the complaint codes and the terminology combinations used on reports for citations for different offences and you'll put it together. Don't understand what your reading in the case file just call pima court and say hey uhhh I found this citation in my son's room... whats this phrase mean ? No joke.. they will explain it to you.... just don't give them the case number.

Thanks. I ruined my eyes during the Casey Anthony time in history, and swore I wouldn't overdo the research again. Stop me please, my eyes are burning again!

I caught some of his record about vapors which made me think it couldn't be Meth because I thought it didn't smell. I also didn't check out JM much. The practical part of me wants to believe SC would be sleeping with his wife in his nice family home that night so he'd be ready to take Isabel to her game in the morning.

 

[spoiledmom]

LE searching within a 3-mile radius and kind of sticking to that makes me doubt the Mexico thing...sending flyers to Mexico and asking LE to be aware is not the same thing as focusing the case there. JMO

Maybe LE believes the 3 miles radius is related to the actual place Isa was taken to or dropped off and they are looking for evidence? Maybe they received a tip? Maybe Sergio "slept on the couch" that night because he was actually dropping his daughter off with someone else?

 

[DhyanaAZ]

BBM
I don't remember her saying this. Do you have a link for it? I only remember her saying she heard voices but couldn't hear what they were saying. If they were speaking a foreign language, that might be important.

I remember the exact opposite, that she was certain they were speaking English..i could be wrong, but I'm sure there are multiple links posted with her interview. JMO

 

[spoiledmom]

That reminds me, someone was posting the PC today and said that she/he could not make out what they said about a 'parallel investigation in Mexico'?
Did you hear that?
(of course I can't find the post now!)

I didn't get to hear the press conference unfortunately. I did however hear Jean??? On NG say LE will not rule out that this is drug related. But then Nancy quickly started talking about the walls.

 

[Dr. Know?]

That reminds me, someone was posting the PC today and said that she/he could not make out what they said about a 'parallel investigation in Mexico'?
Did you hear that?
(of course I can't find the post now!)

I don't know if it was me but I questioned what I heard "mirrored investigation in Mexico". I caught the tail end of it due to a phone call. The video is out, transcript too, I think anyone could find it.

I'm listening to our local tv news for the pressers. I would just file it if not found to be true. My apologies if so. I was asking a question btw.

 

[Nvgirl]

I remember the exact opposite, that she was certain they were speaking English..i could be wrong, but I'm sure there are multiple links posted with her interview. JMO

No your right!! It was english she said!

 

[Donjeta]

If it was a meth lab explosion it wouldn't have happened in their home imo, or LE would have been all over the evidence right off the bat.

Although it would explain Becky's fear of chemicals in there I guess.

 

[Shelby2]

I don't know if it was me but I questioned what I heard "mirrored investigation in Mexico". I caught the tail end of it due to a phone call. The video is out, transcript too, I think anyone could find it.

I'm listening to our local tv news for the pressers. I would just file it if not found to be true. My apologies if so. I was asking a question btw.

No I know you were just asking, I just wasn't sure if anyone else heard it. I'm still playing catch-up..
And thanks I also missed that the transcript was out, I'll have a look.

 

[Nvgirl]

Well if it was a bad enough explosion to kill somebody other people would have heard it....

They did! It was on the police scanner at 3 in the morning the morning isabel was anducted! Somebody called it in.