AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #18

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  • #741
Since we discuss so much what if he's guilty scenarios, I have to think about what if he's not. Imagining myself in RC's shoes if she is innocent and truly believes SC is, as well..having SC removed has to be incredibly painful for the whole family in that scenario. I would really need my husband if I was in her shoes and if I had no reason to suspect him. Clearly she knows why he has been asked to have no contact with the boys, and clearly she knows why CPS was called in December, and neither if those things have caused her to distance herself from supporting him. JMO.

ITA!

That is why I have said trying to guess what the reason is for the separation is like trying to read tealeaves or a crystal ball.

She knows all about the one minor incident in December and she knows why he volunteered to be away from the boys yet she firmly stands behind him.

BUT come to think of it NOT ONE person from that town that knows Sergio Celis has come forward and said one unkind word against him in over a month.

And I have no doubt the local reporters have been looking high and low for such people even if they dont want their name or face in the media and would give the info anonymously.
 
  • #742
It's the window...why would a would be abductor spend time taking the screen off when he could just have cut it ? I am wondering, if he opened the window to go in, wouldn't he have to leave it open,in case he needed to get out of the house in a hurry ? And,if he left it open,he took the huge risk of Isabel screaming and hollering.With the window open.In the dead of night ? Maybe she wouldn't scream.But maybe she would... MOO

And,if the neighbor woke up and heard men talking in low voices,and her dogs were going crazy at 6 :30 am, wouldn't the same thing have happened if an abductor had walked into the same breezeway area,and stood around taking the screen off etc. in the middle of the night ? MOO

To analyze it, that window was what first made me think that,as Fabiano Pacheco said "Things are not always what they seem to be " JMO

As for the screen, I think it probably depends on what sort of screen system they have. On my house, it would be easier to use a butter knife or the corner of a credit card to pop one side of the screen loose, then the whole thing would come out silently.. There are these little sliding doo-dads that are supposed to hold the screens in place but they don't work real well. So long as you apply pressure several inches away from the doo-dad, the screen will pop right out.

So with our screens, cutting would actually be noisier.

Whoever removed the screen may not have used that window as an entrance/exit point. They may have been preparing for a quick exit if someone woke up.

I thought the window itself was open. I'll have to go back through the links to see.

I think if Isabel had started making a lot of noise, the abductor would have ditched her and run. But many small children are used to being moved in their sleep by their parents. So long as they are picked up gently and held securely, the child just stays asleep.

In the Sierra LaMar case, there have been news stories about attempted abductions in the general area. Each time, the wannabe abductor was foiled by relatively simple means: the victim screamed or started running and the abductor took off. That says to me that it is likely that abductors make many tries until they find a compliant victim. A little girl who stayed asleep when picked up would be an ideal compliant victim.

To me, the dogs are a non-problem. I'd just fill my pockets with a good treat like garlic roasted chicken cut into bits and the vast majority of dogs would instantly be my best friend forever. Very, very few owners go to through the time and effort required to teach a dog to refuse food offered by a stranger or food on the ground. I teach my dogs to refuse food on the ground but I'm a dog trainer and weird, so I don't count.

I realise that TPD seems to be doing all they can to shine the spotlight on the family while they employ plausible deniability but I'm just not convinced yet.
 
  • #743
My apologies. And as I said before if someone states something then just be able to back it up.
Clearly you are able to and you are right.

Mea Culpa.....

I didn't know where the transcripts were, but someone posted the link and I was able to find the right day for that particular transcript. I agree with you concerning links, etc. This is moving so fast rumour can quickly become fact. jmo
 
  • #744
ITA!

That is why I have said trying to guess what the reason is for the separation is like trying to read tealeaves or a crystal ball.

She knows all about the one minor incident in December and she knows why he volunteered to be away from the boys yet she firmly stands behind him.

BUT come to think of it NOT ONE person from that town that knows Sergio Celis has come forward and said one unkind word against him in over a month.

And I have no doubt the local reporters have been looking high and low for such people even if they dont want their name or face in the media and would give the info anonymously.

But then on the other hand, other than his family members and Joe Vega, we haven't seen anyone come forward and stand firmly behind him. Just MHO, just sayin......

Just adding..........at least that we know from the MSM.
 
  • #745
And I read it...and you are right.
I really hope I didn't just have to say to a man:floorlaugh:

Nope not a man!!! You are safe. :)
 
  • #746
Since we discuss so much what if he's guilty scenarios, I have to think about what if he's not. Imagining myself in RC's shoes if she is innocent and truly believes SC is, as well..having SC removed has to be incredibly painful for the whole family in that scenario. I would really need my husband if I was in her shoes and if I had no reason to suspect him. Clearly she knows why he has been asked to have no contact with the boys, and clearly she knows why CPS was called in December, and neither if those things have caused her to distance herself from supporting him. JMO.

Thing is, the Celis family does not have to agree to this. If there is nothing to it, I do not understand why they are going along with this at all. It is extremely stressful for their other two children.

They can refuse to follow the no contact order, and see what CPS does then ? I have never understood why they are going along with it. JMO

No contact orders are for serious issues,for the most part... MOO
 
  • #747
No, it was just interesting me to hear them speak about the fact that Becky had the prior alcohol abuse which was why she still can't drive. So, perhaps my thinking that someone could have put Isa inside the trunk of her vehicle was wrong thinking, if indeed she can't drive.

When did she get the DUI?

Still not be able to drive?

Was that said by LE on the show?

I thought someone said she drove a Lexus? Didnt they have three cars including the inoperable one? Man I am getting confused all over again. lol
 
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  • #749
When did she get the DUI?

Still not be able to drive?

Was that said by LE on the show?

I thought someone said she drove a Lexus? Didnt they have three cars including the inoperable one? Man I am getting confused all over again. lol

No no, it wasn't said by any LE just someone on the panel, and I wish I could find a transcript of that particular video. Going to listen to it again.
 
  • #750
Here are some questions to get answered about the window:

- Does LE believe or have reason to believe the window was a point of entry and/or exit?

- What had to happen for that window to be used for entry? How about exit?

- Could someone reach the window without climbing up a ladder of some kind?

- Was the window left open? Was it left unlocked, but not open?
 
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But then on the other hand, other than his family members and Joe Vega, we haven't seen anyone come forward and stand firmly behind him. Just MHO, just sayin......

Just adding..........at least that we know from the MSM.

But it seems in every case something bad is either leaked anonymously (inside sources) by someone known to the person being crushed into the ground. Or they come right out in the media and get their 15 minutes of fame.

I have thought that was very strange in this case from the very beginning. Absolutely no one in that entire town that knows Sergio has said one unkind word against him and they have had a lot of contacts with people because LE told us they are a very social family.

IMO
 
  • #753
ITA!

That is why I have said trying to guess what the reason is for the separation is like trying to read tealeaves or a crystal ball.

She knows all about the one minor incident in December and she knows why he volunteered to be away from the boys yet she firmly stands behind him.

BUT come to think of it NOT ONE person from that town that knows Sergio Celis has come forward and said one unkind word against him in over a month.

And I have no doubt the local reporters have been looking high and low for such people even if they dont want their name or face in the media and would give the info anonymously.

Well apparently the neighbor talked about cartel rumors....I was :banghead: on that one because, really if you thought that was true would you go on the darn news and give your name and location?
So in essence I agree with you Ocean.

MOO
 
  • #754
Thing is, the Celis family does not have to agree to this. If there is nothing to it, I do not understand why they are going along with this at all. It is extremely stressful for their other two children.

They can refuse to follow the no contact order, and see what CPS does then ? I have never understood why they are going along with it. JMO

No contact orders are for serious issues,for the most part... MOO

I also believe it would be serious enough that if there weren't voluntary compliance they know it is likely they didn't want to face the possibility of losing in court, or have the issue go that far. However wouldn't it also be normal for them to seek legal advice before agreeing if it didn't seem to be a serious matter, there was some disagreement, or totally innocent of whatever allegations caused the no contact order?

MOO
 
  • #755
No, it was just interesting me to hear them speak about the fact that Becky had the prior alcohol abuse which was why she still can't drive. So, perhaps my thinking that someone could have put Isa inside the trunk of her vehicle was wrong thinking, if indeed she can't drive.

I thought she drove a Lexus?
 
  • #756
just got done with a quick workout and my mind was thinking about this amongst other things...lol...anything to make a workout go by faster :giggle:

since there is nothing really new to discuss on this case....two questions popped in my head....

not sure if i have missed a post on this...but have they gone back to work yet? if not, are they living on donations from the public and/or family?

in regards to donations...

are people who take in donations required ever to show what that money is used for? while we can obtain financial records for charities and business'....are the records of these type of charitable donations public information too?

I ask these questions because they have bills to pay and unless they have a good savings or they are being paid by their employers or are living off donations, somehow their bills have to be paid.

IMO, im not sure where any donations would be used...for what purpose? Not for searching (seems there is none)...not for attorney fees (seems there is none)...all food and drinks were donated by local establishments...but im sure that is not happening anymore due to....no more searches...

any searching being done by LE is funded by tax payers.....

It seems other than the lamo-vigil that there is ZERO activity that would require $$ from donations.... ???
 
  • #757
But it seems in every case something bad is either leaked anonymously (inside sources) by someone known to the person being crushed into the ground. Or they come right out in the media and get their 15 minutes of fame.

I have thought that was very strange in this case from the very beginning. Absolutely no one in that entire town that knows Sergio has said one unkind word against him and they have had a lot of contacts with people because LE told us they are a very social family.

IMO
BBM
I agree in part, OBE, but then no persons have come out in support of him either. Other than his friend, wife and sister. Unless I missed it. If so, please point me in that direction.
 
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No, it was just interesting me to hear them speak about the fact that Becky had the prior alcohol abuse which was why she still can't drive. So, perhaps my thinking that someone could have put Isa inside the trunk of her vehicle was wrong thinking, if indeed she can't drive.

IMO, I'm not finding this very credible, but I will keep it on the back burner. I guess it is always POSSIBLE. She could have a restricted driving work permit, which people who have their licenses revoked can apply for.
 
  • #760
WooHoo you found it! So the Van Dams were cleared by LE. Too bad it wasn't before we learned all the sordid details of their private life. It might be the same will happen with the Celis family.

If the Celis parents were found to be dopers and swingers, ala the Van Dams, would CPS become involved?

MOO

This article was written when Danielle had been missing for two weeks and LE had already searched his motorhome and home by then and found the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and given him a LTD which he failed. They had a lot or reasons to believe he was the suspect by then.

Were the parents ruled out before LE found all of this evidence against DW?

That was a horrible case and that slimey attorney, Steve Feldman, put the parents on trial all the while knowing he was close to making a deal to take the death penalty off the table because DW had agreed to tell them where he disposed of her body.

Thank goodness a searcher found her body the very day the deal was to go down and he wound up getting death. She was missing about 2 weeks iirc so by the time LE is speaking out in this article they knew they had their suspect.

IMO
 
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