AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #19

[makayla]

Oh my gosh, I just dont think I will be able to stomach nancy disgrace tomorrow when she gets her hands on this stuff. (but of course i'm gonna watch)

maybe she won't personally be on tomorrow since it's a holiday weekend - it could be a sub - either way, I'll be watching

if Nancy is on and starts off with "BOMBSHELL TONIGHT" she will be speaking the truth! :wink:

 

[Jules71]

"Police have also collected footprints around several key locations. Exact addresses still not available. What's described as "apparent blood" was also found on the floor of an unspecified residence. Police also checked for semen samples.

The reports reveal a thorough investigation, one where police have looked into every lead that's come in no matter how far fetched."

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/153931355.html

Also key parts of reports were redacted... according to this story

I was just in the process of posting the exact same thing. You beat me to it!

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[Prof]

I'm wondering if this is why they have done it. To prepare the public for a coming arrest, to show them they looked at everything. It could fit for arresting a stranger, or family member - but to me, this is what it seems like. LE has been so tight lipped, but now they are releasing all of this. I really think an arrest is coming very soon.

I think they released it as press was asking, and in AZ they can only hold things for a certain number of days without going to judge for an extension?
IDK ... JMO

 

[scout35]

"Police have also collected footprints around several key locations. Exact addresses still not available. What's described as "apparent blood" was also found on the floor of an unspecified residence. Police also checked for semen samples.

The reports reveal a thorough investigation, one where police have looked into every lead that's come in no matter how far fetched."

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/153931355.html

Also key parts of reports were redacted... according to this story

BBM: If this was found in the Celis home, wouldn't they say so since they had no problem stating that blood was found on Isa's bedroom floor?

 

[johnQpublic]

Phony fundraisers? Did you watch this video:

http://www.kvoa.com/videos/volunteers-still-focused-on-bringing-isabel-celis-home/

I guess not. :moo:

blah blah BS its old video... thier fund raisers are all for not .. there is no cause just a need for money

 

[Lava]

I think they released it as press was asking, and in AZ they can only hold things for a certain number of days without going to judge for an extension?
IDK ... JMO

Well, we know they asked for an extension for the warrants, I would assume they would for this too if need be. IMO Le has so far only released what they want us to know.

 

[Prof]

"Police have also collected footprints around several key locations. Exact addresses still not available. What's described as "apparent blood" was also found on the floor of an unspecified residence. Police also checked for semen samples.

The reports reveal a thorough investigation, one where police have looked into every lead that's come in no matter how far fetched."

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/153931355.html

Also key parts of reports were redacted... according to this story

It is so interesting how we all notice different things in a quote!

Sorry for quoting myself, but I have bolded what I noticed in this quote.

I took the "several key locations" and "blood on floor of unspecified resdence" to be other than the Celis home.

I took it this way as other stations reported that blood was specifically found in Isa's room, and footprints specifically found outside of Isa's home.

 

[Prof]

BBM: If this was found in the Celis home, wouldn't they say so since they had no problem stating that blood was found on Isa's bedroom floor?

Right, I believe these are locations other than the Celis home.

 

[GutFeeling!]

:moo:

I have used one as a drop cloth for painting, too.

But have you ever transported one in your car?

I actually have, used to carry one to put on the ground under a rug when I went to the kids football, soccer and baseball - on dewy mornings.

The red brown stains ..... can a local say if the water is hard there ? Enough to cause that kind of discolouration? (Pretty sure the police would know that at first glance in any case but I am just interested) Thanks

 

[Allusonz]

These are intersting but probably not..

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18621086/550-pages-released-in-celis-case

UPDATE: One detective reported a positive Luminol reason on the "driver's seat of the Toyota Corolla," that was at the residence. Luminol is used in forensic investigations to identify traces of blood.

Multiple potential sightings were reported including one from the Tivoli Gardens Restaurant in Surprise, AZ. A person notified police saying, "A stocky man in his middle or late 30's was more or less dragging a small girl fitting the description of (Isabel) out of the Tivoli Gardens. I held the exit/front door open for them, but thought it a bit unusual...the little girl was essentially dragged out by the hand before she could respond to my salutation."

I have not had the opportunity to look over these documents but I do feel I need to point out that many things react with luminol.

When luminol does react there is usually a TMB test performed to determine if it could be blood or not.

My concern here is that many will think that there was definately blood found when in fact that may not of been the case.

 

[Jules71]

Sergio tells police he fell asleep on the couch in the family room until 5 a.m. That's when he woke up to join Rebecca in bed the morning Isabel disappeared. He tells police the window was closed the last time he saw Isabel.

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/153931355.html

ok, now we know SC told LE he was asleep on the couch in the family room until 5am.

Patty G.-the video in the above report has a shot of the back of the house that shows the door to the den. I recall you were asking to see it.

So the article says family room but the pic with highlighted text says living room as did the 911 call. I think they just misreported it.

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[prima.facie]

Right, I believe these are locations other than the Celis home.

but if that was the case, still, what does that mean?

it does not say "isa's" blood was found in other locations...

it says blood was found....well blood of anyone could be found anywhere....

even if blood was found in celis home, we still dont know whos blood it is...

 

[Lava]

It is so interesting how we all notice different things in a quote!

Sorry for quoting myself, but I have bolded what I noticed in this quote.

I took the "several key locations" and "blood on floor of unspecified resdence" to be other than the Celis home.

I took it this way as other stations reported that blood was specifically found in Isa's room, and footprints specifically found outside of Isa's home.

I thought I read in an article that an address wasn't provided. I was wondering if they just came from two different officer reports. One officer put Isa's room, and the other just left out the location.

However, in this video:

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto/0/

It says that K9s alerted to a scent "nearby, and a warrant was served"...which does make me think it wasn't the Celis home. But I think it could all still go either way.

 

[Anita Richman]

They somehow live in a 3000+ square foot home (that God only knows how they afford). How could they be short of space to stack their Salvation Army clothing/shower curtain donations?

Pensfan, I have been around three sides of that home...there is NO way it's 3000 square feet. With no basement and no shed, the garage is (in my personal experience) where all of the holiday decorations, tools and extras are stored. If I had a bum car in the yard, that's where I'd store my donations. Just sayin.

 

[pieper4]

IMO I think it is pretty convenient that SC didn't actually go to his and RCs bedroom until 5am on the day his daughter disappeared.

(http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/153931355.html)

He had an alibi for that. He fell asleep watching a Dbacks game, apparently on TiVo/DVR.

 

[pieper4]

Pensfan, I have been around three sides of that home...there is NO way it's 3000 square feet. With no basement and no shed, the garage is (in my personal experience) where all of the holiday decorations, tools and extras are stored. If I had a bum car in the yard, that's where I'd store my donations. Just sayin.

OhNoes! More house/floorplan! I may have to scream silently. J/K

 

[prima.facie]

I thought I read in an article that an address wasn't provided. I was wondering if they just came from two different officer reports. One officer put Isa's room, and the other just left out the location.

However, in this video:

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto/0/

It says that K9s alerted to a scent "nearby, and a warrant was served"...which does make me think it wasn't the Celis home. But I think it could all still go either way.

eh. confusing. why cant they get the facts straight?
im tired and my brain is not working now....so im confused on this issue. lol

 

[Lava]

Pensfan, I have been around three sides of that home...there is NO way it's 3000 square feet. With no basement and no shed, the garage is (in my personal experience) where all of the holiday decorations, tools and extras are stored. If I had a bum car in the yard, that's where I'd store my donations. Just sayin.

How are the scorpions in Tucson? I currently live out in the sticks in SW Florida and we have small ones. I don't leave ANYTHING on the floor, or in the car, for more than a couple hours. We have scorpions everywhere.

 

[Lava]

He had an alibi for that. He fell asleep watching a Dbacks game, apparently on TiVo/DVR.

Yes I know. Pretty convenient that his wife has an excuse now for him not to be in bed until 5am.

 

[Anita Richman]

"Scores of evidence were collected around southern Arizona including a multicolored blanket on an Interstate 10 ramp off the Irvington exit and a doll lying in front of a person's home."

I'm sure those in the basement remember this moment.

http://m.wdam.com/autojuice?targetU...ory/18621086/550-pages-released-in-celis-case

I wasn't there. But I was there, several times when citizens called in about children fitting Isa's description. Omigosh, listening to the scanners sometimes would bring back memories of the end scene from the movie "Without A Trace", loosely based on the Etan Patz case. Citizen tip finally checked on results in child being found. Police sirens blaring, hundreds of cops driving in a line to bring the abducted child home. lease: