AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - # 2

[oceanblueeyes]

Like some of you, I also feel that too much weight is being given to the dogs also. There are too many variables to be discussed for it to matter. Until we have the facts, we just don't know. They could have slept far away from Isabel's room and not heard anything.

I think the reason why we are questioning this so much is because a dog's barking sends out an alert that a stranger is present. If the person responsible was a family member or "known" person, then they wouldn't bark.

I, for one, am not ready to blame the parents. I think that the quick 911 call is enough evidence for me (at the moment) to hold onto hope that they are innocent. Mom was at work and left immediately to come home after she was notified of her daughter's disappearance.

That certainly could point that the person was known to the family and that is why they didn't bark.

However; we have two inside doggies and if anyone even drives up in our driveway or comes to our door whether it is a stranger or even our own family members.. they are going to let us know someone is here. Even if their tails are wagging ninety to nothing waiting for our children or grands to come inside..they are barking at the top of their lungs. LOL! Now if a stranger comes .......oh my goodness........they get very aggressive and will try to protect their territory.

My hubby works during the day and I dont open my door to a stranger ...not even the UPS man that has been coming to our home for 20 years because I would never want our dogs to bite anyone unless of course it was an intruder. He knows about our dogs and places our packages down in front of our door..knocks on the glass and waves..then he is off to another stop.

But we dont rely on them to keep us safe for we know dogs are like humans and can be very unpredictable.

imo

 

[CarrieBean]

TPD asks for patience

http://www.kvoa.com/news/tpd-urges-patience-during-celis-investigation/


eta: sorry to cut off that snip.. it said the investigative meeting at 7 will determine how the investigation will go the rest of the day

Asking the public to be patient, but no mention of keeping an eye out for Isabel? It sounds to me like they know what they're dealing with.

 

[nursebeeme]

I think the public is chomping at the bit to help search for Isabel...

 

[twall]

Possible way for intruder to easily get over fence-the photo below is recent. It was taken at the opposite end of the alley that is behind Isabel's home. The garbage cans on the right caught my eye. They are on the same side Isabel's home is on. I can't see if there is one directly behind her house but I pulled up the home on Google maps (from 2010 I think) and there is a can located by the alley outside of the fence like the others. Very easy for someone to stand on it to get over the fence. I wonder if the cans are there all the time or just on trash day? Does anyone know for sure what day their trash is picked up?

link where I found the photo

http://www.newstimes.com/news/artic...family-from-AZ-home-3502110.php#photo-2847710

 

[CarrieBean]

I think the public is chomping at the bit to help search for Isabel...

I would hope any community would be. You think they're just trying to ease the calls to help?

 

[thejoker101]

I think LE is keeping so quiet because of what happened in the Baby Lisa case. They want the Parents to keep talking. JMHO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I would hope any community would be. You think they're just trying to ease the calls to help?

I try very hard to understand why LE does the things they do in cases but it still burns me up that they rarely ever come out and alert the community that a predator could be in their area when that was the case.

They never did it when Jessica Lunsford went missing and all along Couey was running loose and they never warned the community either the entire 7 weeks JED had kidnapped Shasta and Dylan Greone.

And in so many other cases where the stranger was the perp LE never came out and warned the community.

Now I know it doesnt take LE saying 'be vigilant' for parents to do so. I know every parent in that neighborhood is on edge and watching their children like a hawk.

I saw one man being interviewed in the neighborhood and he already knows it could have just as easily been his child.

IMO

 

[keeponsearching]

Hope they are looking back the pass 6 months or so for people who have been in to do repairs or something in home or yard. Also it might not be that person but someone they know, word of mouth. I hate to say this but it does happen, they could be sitting around drunk or high saying hey i think I want a little girl..... Oh I know a family, blah blah blah. Just look at the mom who had her 2 yr old in car, sorry forgetting name atm.

 

[Janeumayer]

Okay, There are two dockets. One case number ends in 20 and the other in 22.

The X numbers are citation numbers, so it appears on the 13th two different citations were written.

Ending in case number 20:

1 / 1 A X0067820 4/13/2012 TC4-76 ANIMAL-NO CURRENT VACCINATION
2 / 1 B X0067820 4/13/2012 TC4-81 ANIMAL-NO CURRENT LICENSE
3 / 1 C X0067820 4/13/2012 TC4-76 ANIMAL-NO CURRENT VACCINATION


Ending in case number 22 :

1 / 1 A X0067819 4/13/2012 TC4-97 ANIMAL-DOG RUNNING AT LARGE
2 / 1 B X0067819 4/13/2012 TC4-81 ANIMAL-NO CURRENT LICENSE
3 / 1 C X0067819 4/13/2012 TC4-76 ANIMAL-NO CURRENT VACCINATION
4 / 1 D X0067819 4/13/2012 TC4-97 ANIMAL-DOG RUNNING AT LARGE
5 / 1 E X0067819 4/13/2012 TC4-81 ANIMAL-NO CURRENT LICENSE

Both cases state "COMPANION FILE EXISTS"

There are three no currrent vaccinations, three no current license, and two dog running at large.

Since there were two running at large charges, I'd guess two larger backyard dogs got loose. The animal control perhaps demanded to see the paperwork on the little dog we see in the pictures, who did not get loose?

The arraignment is set for Thursday.

Wondering if someone was trying to snatch Isabel that night letting the dogs out? Then returned a week later and got her?

That is if it was an abduction. MOO

 

[Pacific2011]

I have been reflecting reasons and thoughts about what kind of dogs they would needd to bring in from VA as well 3,500 miles is a long long way for K-9s I know there are well trained dogs on the west coast so I can only think these are specific trained dogs for something not commom to train a dog for.

Has anyone posted any ideas about what these dogs have been brought in to do in Isa's case? (Sorry if I missed something in reading through the thread. . . .)

 

[No Stone Unturned]

I thought so too Janeumayer.

 

[Crosby87]

Lisa Lockwood, former police detective, told Nancy Grace if all the windows in the house were shut, it would be 90 degrees in the house, so Nancy believes an air conditioner was running overnight.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/23/ng.01.html

 

[Patty G]

I am not sure that the inside of the house would be 90 degrees if the outside temps were 60 degrees. I am only basing my theory on living in Florida and what the inside temps are in my home in Florida at night compared to outside temps.

 

[sweetsavi]

The Sylar Newton case is what brought me to WS. I followed the case very closly. He was also in AZ. It was on the 5th day cops searched landfills, and they knew from the start it was some one who knew him.
When I heard they are searching landfill on third and fourth day, I lost a little bit of hope for her..

Any one else get a creep vibe from Uncle Justin?

 

[Patty G]

In the photo, there appears to be hinges, of which, could very well be a door on the fence leading to the backyard.

Photo taken off google map "street view".

 

[GracieLu]

That certainly could point that the person was known to the family and that is why they didn't bark.

However; we have two inside doggies and if anyone even drives up in our driveway or comes to our door whether it is a stranger or even our own family members.. they are going to let us know someone is here. Even if their tails are wagging ninety to nothing waiting for our children or grands to come inside..they are barking at the top of their lungs. LOL! Now if a stranger comes .......oh my goodness........they get very aggressive and will try to protect their territory.

My hubby works during the day and I dont open my door to a stranger ...not even the UPS man that has been coming to our home for 20 years because I would never want our dogs to bite anyone unless of course it was an intruder. He knows about our dogs and places our packages down in front of our door..knocks on the glass and waves..then he is off to another stop.

But we dont rely on them to keep us safe for we know dogs are like humans and can be very unpredictable.

imo

I agree dogs are very unpredictable! I have two very hyper beagles and ours is the only home on the block that the mail lady avoids at all costs, lol. I tell her over and over, they aren't going to hurt you, just very hyper, and excited to see you, lol, but she runs to and from the mailbox. Our old mailman got smart and brought dog treats with him and they sat quietly when he delivered mail and I suspect their barking at the mail lady has a lot to do with wanting to know where their treats are. But, what truly makes me very sad is they often bark at night and hubby or I will yell from our comfy bed "Arnold be quiet" or "Baxi enough" and they go right back to sleep (thinking a raccoon was in our backyard). Never in the little bubble we seem to be living in, have we ever thought a "stranger" was trying to get in or close to our home and we have a 7 1/2 year old daughter! I am so very upset that a beautiful little girl was taken from her bedroom - very very very sick about this! I guess I need to get out of my bubble,,, Praying for Isabel's safe return! (((crying)))

 

[twall]

Has anyone posted any ideas about what these dogs have been brought in to do in Isa's case? (Sorry if I missed something in reading through the thread. . . .)

Here is your answer

Police: 'Everyone is a person of interest' in case of missing girl
04/23/2012 10:26 AM

Two dogs from the FBI are in Tucson, specifically trained in searched urban areas, Villasenor said. One dog is training in tracking scents, the other is a cadaver-sniffing dog.

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/

 

[Patty G]

In "twalls" post #444, I am trying to find that alley way shown in the photo on google maps. I can't match up "google map" street view to the picture in post #444. HELP!!! TIA

ETA: I am thrown off by the tree in the media photo to the google street view, as well as the telephone pole in the street view and not in the media photo.

 

[SurfieTX]

The dogs are not being used right now, but are available to LE.

Q: Who was the last person to see her? She was with family before bed.

Q: Was she in school on Friday: He doesn't know. He will find out and let everyone known.

 

[shay0903]

ugghhhh kvoa.com livestream stinks. Hope someone gets a transcript or better video of the presser going on now please!!