AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #22

[Mendara]

Really kids just get taken out of their beds at night and vanish? Why are there so many missing kids and cases that go cold like this one? Is there some big black hole these children and missing adults get swallowed up by?

I am sick over Isa and Sierra being missing - one is just gone no clues the other is presumed dead but the monster will not reveal the location of her body.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Im sorry, but I just laughed my off with this.

Our town is not seedy and like the wild west. LMAO... Yes we do have an abundance of weed, since we are so close to the border, and it is cheaper then the east coast. But we are not some crazy non law abiding town LOL...I have been here my while life, 37 years. Im not trying to be mean to you or your quote, I think its funny cause that is far from the truth.

Its hilarious how all people in some states or towns are all lumped into some mythical perception that are held by some.:floorlaugh:

We get the same sterotypical yada..yada..yada, blah, blah, just because we are in the South.:floorlaugh:

 

[galiuro]

Pretty sure you can't get a shower liner at that particular Walmart, it is nothing but a grocery store...proly not something Albertsons has for sale either...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Really kids just get taken out of their beds at night and vanish? Why are there so many missing kids and cases that go cold like this one? Is there some big black hole these children and missing adults get swallowed up by?

I am sick over Isa and Sierra being missing - one is just gone no clues the other is presumed dead but the monster will not reveal the location of her body.

That is one thing I have thought about for years and it haunts me. We have so many missing minors in our country so how can we ever say strangers are not kidnapping them when we have no clue what happened to them and if murdered who the actual prepretrator is.

Until we know where all of these missing children are and their cases resolved the statistics that the US spoon feeds us is just a bunch of bull.

IMO

 

[galiuro]

Well Tucson is certainly as seedy as YOU want it to be...speaking as a native who has NEVER been into the drug scene...

My drug of choice are the mountains and desert surrounding the city and SOMETIMES the city itself...no better or worse than any other city and with a certain quirky oddness all its own. If you want to attribute that as 'seedy' well again, I'd say that interpretation says as much about the speaker as it does the town...

 

[Aura]

^^ We have some awesomely beautiful sunsets! And the desert after a good rain is heaven.

 

[Anita Richman]

AR, Couple of questions : what do you mean exactly by " the backyard dirt may have been hardpacked because of the dogs " ??

Also, were there ANY footprints at all within the walled parameter of the Celis' yard ?

Sorry that I'm just now getting to this, Liz B. Friends who have large dogs have what I'd call a "hardpacked" dirt, because of the dog-run. It's not gravely or dirt with a light dust on top, but literally, hardpacked, almost like cement.

From what I've read, no footprints in the back. I did not ever observe behind the fence into the Celis yard, just what I could see of their roof.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

That is one thing I have thought about for years and it haunts me. We have so many missing minors in our country so how can we ever say strangers are not kidnapping them when we have no clue what happened to them and if murdered who the actual prepretrator is.

Until we know where all of these missing children are and their cases resolved the statistics that the US spoon feeds us is just a bunch of bull.

IMO

According to statistics, about 115 children are victims of stranger abductions every year. That number does not include only known stranger abductions. Kyron's case is unsolved, and although LE and his parents has made it pretty clear that his stepmom is the main suspect, he is still listed as a stranger abduction.

Although hundreds of thousands of children are reported missing every year, about 115 are cases in which a child is abducted by a stranger and killed, held for ransom or taken for another reason. Kyron's case, though still unsolved, falls in this category, said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.

115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)

I think the statistics are bull too if they are including Kyron's case.

ETA: It wouldn't surprise me if Caylee is listed as a "stranger abduction" of 2008 because Casey was acquitted.

 

[Anita Richman]

Missing Girl's Parents: Police 'Wasting Time' Focusing On Us; Sergio Celis, barred from seeing sons - YouTube

at :42-48 in the video the Dad says " look at her she is beautiful"

When I first heard these were the words to " whomever took IC" i was very puzzled actually shocked. Why would he say that?

IMOO - this is only a fitting statement to cover-up /convince self and others....that It 's believable that she could be abducted by a Stranger or an RSO because ..."Look at her she is beautiful"

:juggle:

I recall thinking it was really hinky when Ed Smart said (to Elizabeth's abductors) "I just can't wait to hold her in my arms", as he cried with his eyes closed. At the time, I thought it seemed too "lovey-dovey" for a parent to be speaking about his 14 year old daughter that way. Clearly I was wrong, that is just the way he talks, he had nothing to do with her abduction. (Although, upon recent online searches, I was shocked to see that there are STILL people who believe the Smarts were behind her disappearance.) :ufo:

 

[Mendara]

When Sergio told Isa's kidnappers "look at her she is beautiful" I think he meant as look at her she is beautiful please don't hurt her. I would beg them to think about her how sweet she is and let her live.

I think Sergio may have been losing his mind with Isa gone, perhaps depress, angry and maybe he was having outburts and this is the reason for the voluntary order.

I hope and pray he had nothing to do with this. MO

 

[Anita Richman]

Snipped by me

I had to patch huge holes in the wall, and when I went out back, the ground was hard, bare dirt. It looked like the dog (neighbors later told me that they had had SEVERAL pit bulls) had killed off the grass, and the topsoil was then free to wash away when it rained. All that was left was REALLY hard and compressed clay. They had also dug a few "pits" and had chewed through the wires to the whole-house air conditioner.

It took me several days with a shovel to loosen it up into BIG chunks, then time with a rake to break those up. It was a very hot, dry summer and I eventually got a presentable lawn, but it was a HUGE effort. This area was only 12'x20'. A professional quoted me $900 to do this work (that was the low bidder).


The back yard was just slightly softer than concrete. It would not have shown footprints in dry weather, and probably not even on a wet day, it was THAT hard.

That's EXACTLY what I meant by "hardpacked". Great example.

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

As a person who prays for Steve Groene and his daughter Shasta daily, I have been thinking about his polygraph results and knowing that they came back that he failed, this man never once took a step back from the publics eye in an attempt to get his children back safely.

Why are the Celis's not revealing the results of their polygraph?


Another thing that has bothered me, Mark Klaas advised the Dad to retain counsel. Seeing as MK is supposed to be one of the biggest missing children advocates in this country, either he has slipped to the dark side, or he KNOWS that SC needs an attorney-NOW!!


jmo

 

[Madeleine74]

Mark Klaas has certainly not slipped to the dark side. ;-) He's a very pragmatic and smart man who sees through B.S. and knows how these cases tend to go. He's followed hundreds of cases since he started his work. He doesn't wear rose colored glasses or pretend all is well or see magic fairies dancing around. The vast majority of time when a child goes missing it's due to something and someone within the family who has done something to the child. Not always, no, but usually. Statistics bear that out. Mark knows the score.

If MK is advising an attorney...well...I'd consider that good advice for many reasons!

 

[Anita Richman]

I thought LE ASKED RC and SC to NOT reveal their ldt results. LE would also not answer the question of whether they passed or not.

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

Mark Klaas has certainly not slipped to the dark side. ;-) He's a very pragmatic and smart man who sees through B.S. and knows how these cases tend to go. He's followed hundreds of cases since he started his work. He doesn't wear rose colored glasses or pretend all is well or see magic fairies dancing around.

If MK is advising an attorney...well...I'd consider that good advice for many reasons!

Ohhhh i hope that you don't think I believe that Mark Klaas is a "bad man." ---I admire all of the things he has done to help families in these terrible times..I just found it strange for those words to come from him!!:seeya:

And yes-if I was Mr. C -i would have ran to the nearest attorney

 

[Madeleine74]

Ohhhh i hope that you don't think I believe that Mark Klaas is a "bad man."

I certainly did not think that. Hence why I put a wink after my comment above.

 

[Knox]

I thought LE ASKED RC and SC to NOT reveal their ldt results. LE would also not answer the question of whether they passed or not.

Why would LE ask them not to reveal the results? What type of bearing would that have on the case, I wonder?

 

[GutFeeling!]

Its hilarious how all people in some states or towns are all lumped into some mythical perception that are held by some.:floorlaugh:

We get the same sterotypical yada..yada..yada, blah, blah, just because we are in the South.:floorlaugh:

At least everyone doesn't think you are gun totin' stetson wearing hunters that have deer heads all around he house lol and I am Australian! lol

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

I thought LE ASKED RC and SC to NOT reveal their ldt results. LE would also not answer the question of whether they passed or not.

I have been looking for that Anita, and all I can find is that the TPD won't reveal the results. If they passed wouldn't they want to reveal them? I don't know -this case and the many things that are said-and NOT said, confuses me.:banghead:

 

[Lark2]

I thought LE ASKED RC and SC to NOT reveal their ldt results. LE would also not answer the question of whether they passed or not.

MOO, I doubt they asked the parents to not reveal the results, especially when LE has already revelaed that SC has given them "inconsistent statements."

I think that if things don't move soon, LE will release the info to the public as a way of continuing to exert pressure on SC.