AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - # 9

[Pensfan]

Click on the left arrow until the view becomes East Mountain Gate Place. Click on the arrow with the circle to "drive" down the road. You can turn the view to see the homes.
Google Maps

 

[gitana1]

Click on the left arrow until the view becomes East Mountain Gate Place. Click on the arrow with the circle to "drive" down the road. You can turn the view to see the homes.
Google Maps

Wow. Pretty remote.

 

[Pensfan]

Here is the FB for the Pima County Sheriff's Department:
https://www.facebook.com/pimasheriff

 

[Dr. Know?]

I've read some headlines that said "father knew suspect" but are gone now. Go FBI. Suspect "walked into house". I haven't found what the heck happened. You can find the Suspect "walked into house" or at least I did tonight. The article headline changes though when you click the "read more" link....go LE. Interesting.

Hope there are some more facts tomorrow.

 

[pieper4]

I don't know. I edited my post to add some more info from a linked article. But apparently: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-peeping-tom.htm

I think there is a difference between kids with a binocular, giggling while looking at the lady across the way who is always running around naked, and someone creeching around your house and staring into your windows, especially if they have to jump a fence to do it. I take that behavior very seriously.

Not to be a PITA, but Wisegeek is one of "those" sites I wouldn't put much faith in. They are a content mill. I also work as a Google rater, and they are basically one of many mills which were offed for poor quality by Google's Panda algorithm tweak many months back. Not to say some of their info isn't from reputable sources, but unto themselves they don't stand the test of an authoritative, accurate or substantiated source.

 

[Crosby87]

Isabel’s parents did not express any animosity towards the person who stole their daughter during their interview and they do not appear to be out for revenge.

I think they are being precautious by not saying or doing anything that would make the kidnapper angry or afraid to approach them.

Does Isa know her full name, address, and telephone number?

Does she know her parents names and how to dial a telephone?

 

[pieper4]

Wow. Pretty remote.

It's not as remote as it looks. Everything in the desert appears boonie-ville on Google. Rural, yes. Isolated, no.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Yes. What is going on in Tuscon? I used to think it was generally a safe place. And I cannot imagine what the poor grandpa thinks tonight. His granddaughters come for a nice visits and this happens?

It's what bigger cities are experiencing if you listen or read forums. It's awful and extremely heartbreaking. It's not good at all. I was thinking about Grandpa & this visit too. Pretty sad. Almost 1 million in Pima Co.

Night all.

 

[Pensfan]

It's not as remote as it looks. Everything in the desert appears boonie-ville on Google. Rural, yes. Isolated, no.

Wow. I live in the NE where you can reach out your window and almost touch your neighbor's home. (This area is very isolated to me. I really like the concept of homes without grass to continuously mow.) lol

 

[Dr. Know?]

Yeah, that not mowing a lawn is awesome. Saves you half a Saturday each week at least.

 

[pieper4]

Wow. I live in the NE where you can reach out your window and almost touch your neighbor's home. (This area is very isolated to me. I really like the concept of homes without grass to continuously mow.) lol

LOL. I lived in Queens in an attached rowhouse. We could reach out a window and right into the neighbor's window. Here there is a sense of the wild west. We like our privacy. We like our walls to keep out the bobcats and javelinas. We like (most) of our native plants. We like our galvanized cisterns and feed troughs. They aren't ratty... they are rustic. Hehehe. But we (generally) know our neighbors and watch one another's back. I still have to mow a lawn, but it's only a teeny bit of the property (yet still 5 times larger than my "lawn" in NYC). Happy to do it! Do a lot of raking here, though... the more debris you allow to collect on the ground, the more critters you'll have (packrats, rock rats, snakes).

Back OT... will be interested to watch how the PCSD addresses the case nearby. IMO, they lack the finesse of the TPD. (again, wild west... LOL).

 

[gitana1]

Not to be a PITA, but Wisegeek is one of "those" sites I wouldn't put much faith in. They are a content mill. I also work as a Google rater, and they are basically one of many mills which were offed for poor quality by Google's Panda algorithm tweak many months back. Not to say some of their info isn't from reputable sources, but unto themselves they don't stand the test of an authoritative, accurate or substantiated source.

You are not a PITA at all. Yeah, it didn't look that promising but it was one I was looking at at the time that was an easy quote and grab. The article I linked to in the post I posted right before that one, is much better. Also, there are several studies published in books I found on Amazon, that i didn't link to but that contain similar info. It is interesting if anyone wants to take a gander and do a bit of research.

Isabel is missing, then we hear of three girls possibly assaulted by an intruder about 10 miles from Isa's home and now we hear reports of peeping toms in that neighborhood. Scary stuff. Is it all linked? I don't know but it would not make me feel safe at all if I lived in Tuscon.

Night all. Here's hoping we will have more info tomorrow.

 

[Dr. Know?]

See what I worry about? This isn't something to dismiss. It's real in Tucson. Pretty bad if all 4 girls have endured these tramatic events. Prayers for all of them. May Isabel be found! My heart hangs heavy tonight.

xoxo

 

[stacemcace]

It still puzzles me how no Police presence is seen in the surveillance video of the Saturday night. I don't know if this video from KGUN9 has been posted? It states that the neighbourhood was in lock down and neighbours had to show ID to get in and out. So I find it strange that 5 people and the creeper walked freely a block away! Also I was shocked that 1 of the neighbours hadn't been interviewed 6days later.

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149181385.html

 

[~n/t~]

Whew I made it in.

Hope the server is fixed.

Pensfan, thanks for posting the Pima FB page. It clearly states sexual assault. Not sure why the Capt downplayed on NG as some have posted (I didn't watch NG).

https://www.facebook.com/pimasheriff


I believe there is a connection. This needs to be found now!

 

[Lava]

Just curious, the front pages of KVOA and TucsonNewsNow haven't been updated since Monday - but I always hear a ton of stuff on the scanner. Does Tucson just report slowly? It irks me.

 

[keeponsearching]

So is the 3 littles girls house a corner lot just like Isas? When I turned and went do the home of the 3 little girls I saw much more houses.

 

[Patty G]

Interesting that LE on NG stated "assaulted" the one child. I thought for sure he would have stated: "sexually assaulted".

Adding the transcript to the show, so we have what LE stated on NG - 5/1/12

CAPT. CHRIS NANOS, PIMA COUNTY SHERIFF`S DEPT.: You`re welcome.

GRACE: Captain, what can you tell me about the break-in in the three little girls` bedroom?

NANOS: Well, what we know is at about 1:48 in the morning, on Monday morning, we got a call from a residence just in the northeast side of Tucson. The caller stated there was a man in the home. Investigators got there and spoke with the family. The family at the home at the time was the grandfather, the grandmother, the mother of the three little girls, who was down here from Hawaii visiting.

And apparently, the three little girls were all sleeping in one room, two of them in the bed, one on the floor in a little pup tent that was put up for her next to the bed.

And all three reported that the individual had walked into the bedroom, assaulted one of the little girls, left the bedroom, and returned again back to the bedroom, where he engaged in some conversation with another one of the little girls, who challenged his story to her.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/01/ijvm.01.html

 

[FrayedKnot]

Regarding use of the legal terminology in the 3 girls case, I found this information on an AZ lawyer's website and it may help clear up the confusion;

"Sexual assault is often considered forcible rape, but that is only one type of such an assault. Sexual assault in most states includes any type of unwanted physical contact with a sexual organ and may include aggressive, sexually suggestive statements. Sexual assault may also occur between persons of the same gender. The force used and the harm suffered may determine what crime is charged, as well as the penalties upon conviction. Under many states' laws, the penalties for sexual assault are severe and may include incarceration, significant fines, psychiatric treatment and paying restitution to the victim. In addition, a person convicted of sexual assault may be required to register as a sex offender, possibly for the rest of his or her life. In most states, you can be charged with first degree sexual assault or rape, sometimes called aggravated felonious sexual assault or gross sexual assault, if you physically forced sexual intercourse on another person, had sexual intercourse with someone who was unable to give legal consent or forced intercourse by threats of retaliation."

http://www.azblumberglaw.com/cm/fsdp/practicecenter/criminal-law/sex-offenses.asp?focus=topic&id=1

I found the same info on some not for profit, informational sites, too, but this was easier to copy/paste on my iphone.


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[curiousc]

I sure would like to know if Moore's videos show something the particular night that Isa went missing. And, if so, is it because of this that the parent's are not speaking and could they have possibly lawyered up?

Is there a cat and mouse game with LE and the parents going on right now? LE has asked them publicly multiple times to speak to media and the one comment from this weekend's presser was they wish that the parents would speak "one-on-one" to media.

And just because LE has stated the family is co-operating does not to me mean that they are stating the truth.

IMO