AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - # 9

[liz b.]

This male cousin has inserted himself in the case from the start. I believe he was sleeping in the home that night. I know he was one of the first to start searching as he knocked on the neighbors door at 8:05 am. He spoke to the media as the first family spokesmen. And I am going to guess that he may have been the one that 'tucked her in" at 11 pm.

I read that Isabel's mom went to bed before Isabel. And,given that her mom supposedly went to work very early Saturday morning, it is believable that she went to bed before evryone else in the house... MOO

It has never really been clear who put Isabel to bed ? I remember reading a report that "her family " put her to bed.

It is quite possible that this cousin,or " uncle " was in the house that night.I wonder who actually went to the baseball game ? JMO

 

[mck16]

First of all, I personally would consider that this is a very large family with many connected to RC on FB calling themselves aunts and uncles and cousins.

Secondly, what I have seen posted about uncle/cousin on our threads here at WS appears to be rumor. Someone reported something from another site, not news, not LE.

Thirdly, I must have missed the sister-in-law post; however, that is confusing to me. If he is the son of RC's sister-in -law, he would be nephew to RC, not cousin. Of course, unless he's the son of SC's sister, which would be a nephew by marriage.

Most importantly, I consider that NG is the source saying they have a source close to the family.

In summary, if in fact, LE is looking at a cousin, I suppose there could be a chance that it is this cousin JM, if in fact he is an actual cousin, or it could be many of the other real cousins, or any of the "extended family" who call themselves cousins.

Confusingly, I really have not seen the need to spend much time figuring out the familial relationships. I did see enough evidence to know it is complex.
I am still not sure how it is important except to see if JM is the cousin NG is alluding to in her tease to get more viewers.

JMO

Good job:what:

. I get the point. lol

 

[AnaTeresa]

Kathy Rau leads the Southern Arizona Children's Advocacy Center. Prior to that she spent 25 years as a TPD detective, helping parents cope with missing children. She is careful about applying too much pressure on families of missing children.

"I think we have to be very careful not to pass our own judgment or what we think we would do in that situation onto people that are actually going through the trauma. We can all say, yes I would be in front of the camera every minute. But God forbid that we be in that position and actually know what that is like."

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149762795.html

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't remember anyone thinking the Uncle was suspicious because of a chain or watch. Statistically, the perp is usually someone close to the family, or a relative. Also he may have been staying at the house...So he can't really be ruled out-nobody can-until LE says so.

I don't think it's suspicious at all that a cleaning crew is at the house. We don't know WHAT happened there. Maybe it has something to do with why the family does not want to stay there. Since he FBI already spent a lot of time there, I can't see anything sinister about it, or why it is even newsworthy, or why NG would mention it.

This LE team is not going to rule anyone out publcly, imo. This is going to be another cases among many where family members are left to twist in the wind until LE lucks up and catches the real suspect.

IMO

 

[PAXIMUS]

It's not the uncle's appearance that makes him an interesting figure, at least to me. I have lots of guys in my family who are bikers, or just working guys, who wear big "dookie" chains (as we call em lol), some euro, some Hispanic, some mixed, that "look" is par for the course for me.

What makes him interesting is 1- the possibility that he is visiting from out of town when this happened; 2 - putting himself into the media at the outset; 3 - the possibility he was therre that night plus LE not specifying which family member put Isa to bed or saw her last.

This doesn't make him a prime suspect, obviously. But he is a "person of interest" to me anyway.

I am only going by what many posters in earlier threads said about him when they first saw him, that he was a shady looking figure with big silver chains and baseball cap, that sort of thing just chaps my .

If someone where to say something similar because a person is black or latino that sort of thinking would be called exactly what it is.

 

[cluciano63]

I have had a feeling that LE has been looking at a very specific person/scenario from the start and are waiting for more evidence and that it will NOT involve the random stranger/boogie man. JMO

 

[katydid23]

If he is guilty I hope they get him but not jumping to conclusions does not make one in denial. It says male cousin, how you get from that to uncle is beyond me, maybe he is in fact the cousin but I dont know that and I try not to jump to conclusions until I have reason to do so.

Can you give me ANY reason whatsoever beyond THE WAY HE LOOKS, that would make anyone suspect he is involved in this? There are none as far as I know.

A lot of the members here are child abuse survivors. So we may not always be really objective. I'll admit that since my own uncle raped me secretly for years, I am often suspicious of male family members. :what:

But many times I end up being correct, unfortunately. And other times, I am wrong about my suspicions. I will wait and see, as we all must. But I DO find that particular spokesperson very hinky.

And it has nothing to do with his ballcap or jewelry.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

LE also would not say if there were any other adults in the house that night..if the answer is "no", why not say so?

BBM: Yes ... there has got to be a reason WHY they are keeping this little "tidbit" so "secret" ...

:moo:

 

[~n/t~]

I read that Isabel's mom went to bed before Isabel. And,given that her mom supposedly went to work very early Saturday morning, it is believable that she went to bed before evryone else in the house... MOO

It has never really been clear who put Isabel to bed ? I remember reading a report that "her family " put her to bed.

It is quite possible that this cousin,or " uncle " was in the house that night.I wonder who actually went to the baseball game ? JMO

Do you have a link where you read the mom went to bed early? Thanks

Again, trying to get facts versus rumours and a possible timeline.

 

[Lark2]

Does anyone know how OLD the uncle Justin is, that would go a long way in telling us if he is a potential cousin or not, IMO he looks to be in his 30s at least that would seem to be a little old for him to be the SON of either mom or dad's brothers or sisters.

Although his different last name does seem to indicate cousin rather than uncle, I just want some evidence of such before I jump to any conclusions.

Lots of people here know lots of things about him, and have posted about it in the past threads. You can probably find whatever you want if you look.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Originally Posted by katydid23
This male cousin has inserted himself in the case from the start. I believe he was sleeping in the home that night. I know he was one of the first to start searching as he knocked on the neighbors door at 8:05 am. He spoke to the media as the first family spokesmen. And I am going to guess that he may have been the one that 'tucked her in" at 11 pm.

I didnt see any male cousin inserting himself in to this case from the start, do you have any links for that? I saw an uncle involved have you confirmed that the uncle is really the cousin if so I would love a link and source for my notes.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It's not the uncle's appearance that makes him an interesting figure, at least to me. I have lots of guys in my family who are bikers, or just working guys, who wear big "dookie" chains (as we call em lol), some euro, some Hispanic, some mixed, that "look" is par for the course for me.

What makes him interesting is 1- the possibility that he is visiting from out of town when this happened; 2 - putting himself into the media at the outset; 3 - the possibility he was therre that night plus LE not specifying which family member put Isa to bed or saw her last.

This doesn't make him a prime suspect, obviously. But he is a "person of interest" to me anyway.

When I think of bikers I think about how both Mark Lunsford and Steve Greone were crushed into the ground. And oh my goodness they had long hair at the time too. Shame on them. (Im just kidding)LOL!

Some of the nicest law abiding citizens I know are bikers. They do a lot of good work all across the country and a lot of their charity work has to do with needy or abused children.

I really didnt see anything hinky when I saw him speak out.

IMO

 

[PAXIMUS]

A lot of the members here are child abuse survivors. So we may not always be really objective. I'll admit that since my own uncle raped me secretly for years, I am often suspicious of male family members. :what:

But many times I end up being correct, unfortunately. And other times, I am wrong about my suspicions. I will wait and see, as we all must. But I DO find that particular spokesperson very hinky.

And it has nothing to do with his ballcap or jewelry.

Whatever the case I do not tolerate prejudiced behavior for any reason and that is defined as judging someone before you know anything about them based just on looks or other circumstantial information, it is one of the reasons the world is such a screwed up place as it is.


Sorry to hear about what you went through though, I am sure that was very difficult to deal with.

 

[katydid23]

Personally I dont care who the perp turns out to be I have no dog in this fight I just hope they catch whoever it is and pull their fingernails out until they tell LE where the baby girl is. I just dont see how LE looking at some cousin suddenly means the truth is coming out and the uncle is guilty, that to me is just a little too hasty, it is one reason why we have SO MANY (yes there are A LOT) innocent people in prison and on death row.

There has been speculation that this uncle was living in their home temporarily. So that right there is going to be a red flag. And he speaks glowingly of his niece, which is wonderful, but also MAY have a dark side to it.

All along it has seemed like the window was a staged event. And because of the 3 family dogs, it seemed unlikely a random intruder took the child. Why pick a home with many adults inside and three dogs, when there are easier targets?

So it seemed to many that it was an inside job. It seemed like someone close to the family was the guilty party. And this uncle was the first person to pop his head up.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I have had a feeling that LE has been looking at a very specific person/scenario from the start and are waiting for more evidence and that it will NOT involve the random stranger/boogie man. JMO

And you may very well turn out to be correct.

 

[PAXIMUS]

There has been speculation that this uncle was living in their home temporarily. So that right there is going to be a red flag. And he speaks glowingly of his niece, which is wonderful, but also MAY have a dark side to it.

All along it has seemed like the window was a staged event. And because of the 3 family dogs, it seemed unlikely a random intruder took the child. Why pick a home with many adults inside and three dogs, when there are easier targets?

So it seemed to many that it was an inside job. It seemed like someone close to the family was the guilty party. And this uncle was the first person to pop his head up.

But do we know the uncle is the cousin? Also how is a family member living with another family member a red flag?

 

[liz b.]

:seeya: Just "jumping off" your post here about the "uncle" ...

I want to know MORE about the "uncle" :

- Where he lives and IF he works ?

- Did he stay at the Celis' home the night Isabel "allegedly" went "missing" ?

- Has he stayed at the Celis' home before ?

- Does he KNOW the "neighbor" -- and WHY was he knocking on the "neighbor's door" within minutes of Isabel being reported "missing" ?


:moo::moo::moo:

Seeing the photo of Kyron on your post reminded me of the way that Terri Horman has never,ever sat down for a one on one interview with anyone either.... JMO

 

[Shelby2]

I read that Isabel's mom went to bed before Isabel. And,given that her mom supposedly went to work very early Saturday morning, it is believable that she went to bed before evryone else in the house... MOO

It has never really been clear who put Isabel to bed ? I remember reading a report that "her family " put her to bed.

It is quite possible that this cousin,or " uncle " was in the house that night.I wonder who actually went to the baseball game ? JMO

LE will not comment on who put Isabel to bed.

 

[~n/t~]

FWIW, IIRC, it took 3 weeks to find Jessica Lunsford. All along LE suspected the grandparents. They even lied and told Mark (Jessica's dad) that they found blood on grandpa's shirt.

John Couey, a neighbour, a stranger to Jessica kidnapped her from her bed at 3 am, raped her, put her in a closet and then buried her alive.

Jessica was 9.

 

[katydid23]

Whatever the case I do not tolerate prejudiced behavior for any reason and that is defined as judging someone before you know anything about them based just on looks or other circumstantial information, it is one of the reasons the world is such a screwed up place as it is.


Sorry to hear about what you went through though, I am sure that was very difficult to deal with.

I am not prejudiced against this man. I RESEARCHED him online before making my educated assumptions. There are many reasons to be suspicious of him, but they cannot be linked here. I imagine they will be made known at some point. But it is not just a hunch, or blind prejudice. It is more than that and I think more will be revealed soon. I could be wrong, but I think he is a viable POI.