Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

[cluciano63]

Imo, no one should be allowed to keep their children if they expose them to felons, drugs, etc...it will never have a good ending.

And I hate how the mother keeps saying this "happened to her"....it happened to her child.

But jmo...

 

[LietKynes]

Does anyone know if the mom and stepdad were at WalMart the same time JJR was there? I wonder if there are receipts or video of them at WalMart?

RSBM

Pretty sure LE are diligently poring over that footage.
And that family is probably not going to say , " oh, yeah.... we bumped into JR there. That was kinda weird...." No one seems to be very forthcoming.

The timeline of those trips to WalMart are indeed strange. It's possible neither JR nor the other family members saw each other. But if they did --- LE is going to have to get it out of them by showing them video proof. No other way to get them to talk---legally, that is.
:moo:

 

[micki68]

Well let's assume LE is looking over the security footage.Now I am going to speculate that maybe mom and step- dad aren't seen in any footage, what could LE do with that kind of information? I'm just throwing another curve ball into this already convoluted case. Or another pure speculation, what if they are recorded buying items that aren't "snacks" for the kids, but other items? Like I said all pure speculation, but there are so many questions regarding the facts that my head is spinning.

 

[TheDuchess]

I appreciate hearing your thoughts. I don't think anyone in Bella's family is involved in her murder – JR is the perp. However, I'm concerned that the family's story regarding what happened that night keeps changing; to me that's suspicious and it makes me think they know more than they have told LE.

What the family has said doesn't match what we've learned from the police press conferences and msm reports. On the night Bella disappeared the mom and her boyfriend failed to report to police that JR was in their home and that he left with Bella while her sister was in the bathroom. In fact, police Chief Williamson stated that it was Bella's sister who told them about JR, not the mom or boyfriend.

To me that's obstruction of justice. That the mom and her boyfriend would withold such crucial information from the search team is reprehensible. So to hear him over-explaining the simple question of "how long ago did you see her?" made me wonder why it was so important to him to let 911 know within the first few seconds that he wasn't at home when Bella disappeared. To me, that's alibi-building.

And I find it odd that he referred to Bella as a baby and yet he got her actual name wrong.


From the 911 call that Bella's mom's boyfriend made:

911: Alright, and you said so the little girl was home with her Grandma?
RF: With her sister and her Grandma. Her Grandma I believe is asleep so...

From mom's interview with CBS 5:

Grogan says she left Isabella and her older sister upstairs with Folster's mother. She claims she did not even know Rector, a family friend, was in the home. Court records, however, state Grogan's two children were downstairs with Rector and three other friends. Grogan says she called police after searching for Isabella for more than 40 minutes.

http://www.kpho.com/story/26461801/isabellas-mother-she-was-my-baby-she-was-my-world?autostart=true

From mom's interview with Nancy Grace:

“I got a call from my older daughter saying she couldn’t find Bella. She couldn’t find Justin. We looked around outside, then we called police,” Bella's mother told the Nancy Grace team.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/09/05/911-call-missing-isabella-grogan-cannella

Thanks a bunch for the great rundown. Hopefully, others may find it helpful as well and really appreciate you helping me catch up with the story.

So I understand that the stepdad didn't tell 911 about JJR being there. Do you think it's because he may not have known? Or hadn't put 2 and 2 together? Maybe he thought he was sleeping, or had left at a different time or something? I know it may sound like a stretch, but (taking away the allegations of drugs, etc...) if you trusted someone, that ok, he's a druggie and all, but that doesn't necessarily mean you would immediately suspect him of kidnapping and killing your daughter. Does that make sense?

Are you saying that they spoke with police and never mentioned JJR? Did he maybe show up after they had left for WalMart and was gone before they left, so they never put 2 and 2 together? Maybe the 10 year old never even mentioned JJR until pressed by police?

I guess I am just trying to figure out what these people would have to gain from lying about JJRs presence, if they indeed knew about it AND had made the connection?

 

[news.talk]

I get the feeling that everyone involved has a shady past and dealings with LE. These types of people are not forthcoming with facts IMO. Wasn't the mother charged with providing false information to LE in the past? Does anyone know the extent, if any, of the step-father as far as a criminal record?

 

[Dr. Know?]

I know the public records of Bella's immediate environment as do others here. That certainly doesn't make them involved yet. I'd love to know how JJR came to land on their doorstep & why they let him be there in the first place. Probably won't ever know though...

To me, after reading about a lot of these cases, there are obvious ways to live and ways not to live while raising children, duh. Someways make you more susceptible to things happening to you or your loved ones. Maybe a little of the covering is due to CPS &/or saving their own butts due to something illegal? jmo

So, maybe more will come out soon.

 

[WillenFan21]

The transcript is up from last night's Nancy Grace. Here is what the Grandmother had to say:

GRACE: To Toni Paige joining me, grandmother of little Bella. Toni, thank you for being with us. When you first heard from Bella`s mother, didn`t she say, I can`t find Bella or Justin?

TONI PAGE, GRANDMOTHER OF MURDERED GIRL: They took her, they took her. I won`t do anything bad anymore. They got Bella. And then the next minute their stories all change. Everybody had different stories.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1409/04/ng.01.html

I find it interesting that the mother supposedly made a comment "They Got Bella" as if more than one person took her.

 

[bakerlady]

Wait wait wait ... .... Invited to the house for a BBQ? When in the sentence above it says LE has said JR was there for a few days .. Lie built on lies all about to come tumbling down .

IMO their house was a 'flop house' and they were just constantly partying (reads doing drugs) and people were allowed to crash there for the night on the couch or the floor or wherever.

 

[news.talk]

The transcript is up from last night's Nancy Grace. Here is what the Grandmother had to say:

GRACE: To Toni Paige joining me, grandmother of little Bella. Toni, thank you for being with us. When you first heard from Bella`s mother, didn`t she say, I can`t find Bella or Justin?

TONI PAGE, GRANDMOTHER OF MURDERED GIRL: They took her, they took her. I won`t do anything bad anymore. They got Bella. And then the next minute their stories all change. Everybody had different stories.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1409/04/ng.01.html

I find it interesting that the mother supposedly made a comment "They Got Bella" as if more than one person took her.

Sorry - too many Grandmother's to keep straight...

Remind me again, is she the maternal GM or paternal or step-dad's that was present that night?

The answer would help me discern her comments.

 

[WillenFan21]

Sorry - too many Grandmother's to keep straight...

Remind me again, is she the maternal GM or paternal or step-dad's that was present that night?

The answer would help me discern her comments.

Pretty sure that she is Tania's mother.

 

[news.talk]

Pretty sure that she is Tania's mother.

So the one who had custody up until a few months ago?

 

[WillenFan21]

So the one who had custody up until a few months ago?

Yes. I am pretty sure that it is. In Tania's interview that was posted here in this thread she mentions her mother going on Nancy Grace and how her mother was never a mother. I am pretty sure that yes its the same one that had custody of Bella. Someone correct me if I am wrong but I believe it's the same woman.

 

[Amster]

The grandma who had custody of Bella until 2 months ago is Toni Paige. Or Page. I've seen it both ways. She is Tania's mother

 

[news.talk]

Yes. I am pretty sure that it is. In Tania's interview that was posted here in this thread she mentions her mother going on Nancy Grace and how her mother was never a mother so yep I think its the same one that had custody of Bella. Someone correct me if I am wrong but I believe it's the same woman.

So there is bad blood between the mother and the maternal GM?

I asked because if it was the step-dad's mom - the one that was there that night, the comments inferring more than one person involved, would have more weight.

If the maternal GM was speaking out of bitterness from a long-standing custody dispute, it could be interpreted completely differently IMO.

 

[trigger]

Wait wait wait ... .... Invited to the house for a BBQ? When in the sentence above it says LE has said JR was there for a few days .. Lie built on lies all about to come tumbling down .

Yup even their neighbor saw him there hanging out. This.neighbor was on NG Thursday night.

 

[news.talk]

I am not well versed on U.S. privacy laws... I am wondering, has anyone found any court records stemming from the GM's placement of Bella or CPS involvement? We can't access those in Canada.

 

[WillenFan21]

Yup even their neighbor saw him there hanging out. This.neighbor was on NG Thursday night.

comments from the neighbor:

GRACE: With me, Dr. Bethany Marshall out of L.A. With me now, Mary Baca, next door neighbor of little Bella. Mary, thank you so much for being with us. I understand you saw Bella just before her death.

MARY BACA, NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR OF BELLA: I did. She had asked if she could come into our backyard to pick up her toy that she accidentally flung over the fence.

GRACE: What do you know about this Justin Rector, the man who has been arrested?

BACA: I don`t know anything. I do recall him standing around there amongst their friends.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1409/04/ng.01.html

 

[Aeronomy]

I can't seem to shake the feeling that not only did they (family) suspect JJR had Bella, but that they had already spoken with or communicated with him prior to contacting LE. I also feel like he said something that caused them, those living in the home, to fear the police. Whether it had to do with drugs in that home, I don't know (though I suspect it), it is blatantly clear to me that it was MORE IMPORTANT than Bella! I, to this very second, find it hard to believe the mother when she speaks of how much she cares and loves her children. How could she be willing to die for them as she has said when she doesn't even put forth the effort to be the one to call police?

When it comes to her wanting to talk to JR and ask him why, I normally wouldn't find that so abnormal since that is something mothers of murdered children tend to want to do or feel they need to do, BUT never have I ever known one to want to do it so soon. From what I've seen in many cases, now is the time of rage, anger and hatred toward the killer, a time when a mother would lose all wits about her just to tear into them and rip their eyes out.

 

[Aeronomy]

I am not well versed on U.S. privacy laws... I am wondering, has anyone found any court records stemming from the GM's placement of Bella or CPS involvement? We can't access those in Canada.

It's not just because you're in Canada that you can't access them, juvenile domestic and relations records aren't public information.

 

[WillenFan21]

I don't know if this is has been mentioned but I wonder if they used the 10 year old as part of the plan to make the story more believable being that it came from a 10 year old child. From the Nancy Grace interview it doesn't sound to me like the Grandmother was there when Bella went missing. Notice she says when she talked to her daughter that the story changed. If she was there that night I would assume she'd know what happened if she was there unless she was sleeping and then woken up. Maybe the Grandmother was assed out when everything went down. But with everyone's suspicion on the mother and whoever else was there I do wonder about the 10 year old. If the 10 year old was used as part of the plan the to make the story seem legit then maybe more will come out once the 10 year old realizes she is safe and that no one can hurt her. I would assume that they have therapist on hand and everything to talk to the little girl.