Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

[Knox]

Again .. I would dispute that certainty. I worked with a man who regularly partook of illegal substances (multiple), along with his wife, two of her brothers and family acquaintances. And, I do mean*regularly*, as a heartbeat. Yes, he and certain members of their family found themselves in legal hot water on more than one occasion.

Yet, his children (three: two boys and one girl) were exposed to that environment. Here we are, forty years later and those children and outstanding human beings .. each still alive and productive in society with families of their own ... because none of the druggies to whom they were exposed throughout the years turned out to also be child murderers.

I'm struggling to understand what your point is? Are you defending parents who offer dangerous, drugged out, felons unfettered access to their children?

 

[news.talk]

JJR had an order of protection placed by three minor children for physical assault....GG didn't have that

I forgot about that. So she let a man babysit and live with her daughters that by her own admission, strangles animals, ordered to stay away from his own three children due to physical assault, was on parole for drugs and violent offenses, fresh out of court ordered rehab, because his own girlfriend or family wouldn't have him.

I can't possibly see why she would be worried. :smh:

 

[news.talk]

per the 911 call......no

in fact if that material fact had been released to LE at onset bet you there would have been AMBER ALERT

Absolutely. They would also be looking for a man with a lengthy criminal history, not a lost child. Something that very well could have been the difference between just kidnapping and murder. Something that MAY have saved her life.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

In Jenise's case, GG seemed a normal teenager. Mr. Wrights criminal background was not brought to Jenise's door and caused her death. Jenise isn't dead because of the parents doing anything more then be friendly to what appeared to be an normal neighbor kid. That's the big difference between the two cases. This mother brought drugs, criminals and death into her house and exposed it to her daughter. Her lifestyle and actions caused this death. Mr. Wright's did not. Jenise's death had nothing to do with her father, Bella's had everything to do with her mother. IMO,MOO

I disagree. The same way the Wrights did not cause GG to be a child murderer, so it is with TG and JJR .. she did not cause him to be a child murder. And, the Wrights *did* bring GG to Jenisie .. as per claimed "mentoring" and treating him like "family". The cases in that sense are the same. The criminal element of either case (whether drugs or something-we-are-not-permitted-to-mention) had no bearing on whether or not either perp was a child murderer.

 

[news.talk]

I am under the impression WS is a forum to discuss cases to resolution .. not to remotely badger the combination 'culpable-oblivious / victim' into rehabilitation of their ways.

It seems unproductive *in this forum*.

I'd say if it made just ONE reader reconsider certain choices regarding children, then it is VERY productive.

 

[newone]

So child is missing, so is house guest/friend who apparently was last one seen with child.
Parent sends text after minor child informs said parent sister is missing and adult male was last one seen with her.
After Parent gets text from adult saying what you going to do about it

That is the point where most people I know would be speed dialing 911 immediately and downloading all information possible.

That simply did not happen

 

[tier]

per the 911 call......no

in fact if that material fact had been released to LE at onset bet you there would have been AMBER ALERT

And we do have LE saying that they did not have any evidence that an abduction took place throughout much of the search. That and no Amber Alert plus the fact LE said they heard the JR info from the sibling and not the parents seems to be ample evidence that TG did not mention anything about JR to the cops.

 

[Ontario Mom]

bbm



I would dispute that apparent certainty. As I had commented previously: drug use, robbery, possession, assault (bar fight or domestic) DOES NOT implicitly guarantee to child kidnapping, rape and murder. Out of all the 'druggies' who we might assume have incorporated in to that household .. how many of them have kidnapped, raped and murdered a child?

It turns out per chance that JJR happened to be bent in that direction. A random occurrence of chance of exposure .. just as it was with the kidnapper, rapist and murderer of Jenise Wright, who by all accounts was a "nice guy" and "shy". What supposedly made JJR more likely to be a child murderer than what made GG (Gabe Gaeta)?

While I have NO sympathy for GG by any stretch of the imagination, I think you're comparing bad apples to moldy meatloaf here. While GG had ZERO criminal background and/or zero suspicious conduct whatsover (minus one mother who said he sort of rubbed her the wrong way), JR was not only well known to local LE due to his felony criminal past, but was clearly also well known to Bella's mom based on her statements to the msm.

While I don't have any reason to believe TG should have suspected him to be a child murderer, there most definitely was MORE reason for her to be far more cautious in having a convicted felon around her children than Jenise Wright's parents would have had, to allow GG around their kids.

One has a felony conviction sheet as long as your arm, the other had zero. Seriously, ask any cop what they think about having a convicted felon (with a record of aggrivated assault, intent to harm, drug possession, etc.) around children, as compared to someone with no criminal record at all. The risk factor shoots through the roof - not only because of who THEY are - but who they associate with.

 

[3blue1pink]

I once was on a jury that had to let a man go who was such a piece of garbage as a human being . I HATED doing that . I mean it haunts me until this day ! But because the way our laws read we had to let him go . So Maureen to answer your question about the legal system....its flawed . Should we be so apathetic to say "well legally it's all good , so Why should I care?" Thank goodness George Washington and the rest of the fighters for the American revolution didn't .

 

[ChuckMaureen]

JJR was known to strangle small animals, specifically, his girlfriend's pets (according to TG).

And when did TG become aware of that alleged (hearsay) 'fact'? Before or after JJR was arrested for murder? I contend we do not know and may not automatically assume it was before .. because it is entirely possible JJR's ex-gf relayed that info after the arrest .. just as equally possible as before.

If it was before then TG is deeply warped in her thinking (as many suspect). And given TG' seeming affection for JJR before the murder it is obvious she let slide such weirdness and attributed the action to either a sexual fetish (erotic asphyxia, perhaps with the ex-gf a willing or unwilling participant) or simply a harmless quirk (assuming no animals were killed during the alleged practice).

 

[Ontario Mom]

Again .. I would dispute that certainty. I worked with a man who regularly partook of illegal substances (multiple), along with his wife, two of her brothers and family acquaintances. And, I do mean*regularly*, as a heartbeat. Yes, he and certain members of their family found themselves in legal hot water on more than one occasion.

Yet, his children (three: two boys and one girl) were exposed to that environment. Here we are, forty years later and those children and outstanding human beings .. each still alive and productive in society with families of their own ... because none of the druggies to whom they were exposed throughout the years turned out to also be child murderers.

Just to clarify, I never said it's a "certainty", I said it CERTAINLY increased the risk factor to expose yourself and/or your children to addicts and/or convicted felons. You cannot take a subjective experience where things turned out well in *that* situation and apply it to all situations because the facts simply do not bear that out.

 

[news.talk]

And we do have LE saying that they did not have any evidence that an abduction took place throughout much of the search. That and no Amber Alert plus the fact LE said they heard the JR info from the sibling and not the parents seems to be ample evidence that TG did not mention anything about JR to the cops.

At the very least, she should be charged with obstruction of justice to go along with a child endangerment charge.

 

[newone]

BHC is pretty containable as far as roadways etc and with an Amber Alert with everyone and their uncle receiving texts, I feel they may have caught him possibly before Bella died.

Why a parent would not be upfront is open to conjecture but really this whole sad case emphasizes the need to protect children trumps the parent's desires etc.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

TG is obviously grieving . As a mother it's hard not feel some empathy for her . However , it's so sad that her need to self preserve supersedes her sense of accountability for the death of her child . She cannot or will not see that her lifestyle and acquaintances were a direct contribution to Bella's murder . That being said , I have no qualms about eliminating her parental rights period! Even if she is never indicted in this tragic crime .

I believe TG must be indicted for exposing her children to druggies / drug use .. but she is NOT responsible for the actions of JJR.

Again: drug use et al, is NOT an implicit indicator of being a child murderer. So many seem to not understand that distinction.

TG is guilty only of exposing her children to the druggies / drug culture .. not to a child murderer. For how many families have befriended (or vice versa) individuals who were pinnacles of their communities only to find the shining example of a neighbor or family member was heck-bent on raping and / or murdering a child / children?

 

[3blue1pink]

I believe TG must be indicted for exposing her children to druggies / drug use .. but she is NOT responsible for the actions of JJR.

Again: drug use et al, is NOT an implicit indicator of being a child murderer. So many seem to not understand that distinction.

TG is guilty only of exposing her children to the druggies / drug culture .. not to a child murderer. For how many families have befriended (or vice versa) individuals who were pinnacles of their communities only to find the shining example of a neighbor or family member was heck-bent on raping and / or murdering a child / children?

So a parent that leaves a loaded gun out for his/her child to play with isnt responsible for the outcome of his/her interaction with the gun ? I think most people would believe the contrary .

 

[news.talk]

And when did TG become aware of that alleged (hearsay) 'fact'? Before or after JJR was arrested for murder? I contend we do not know and may not automatically assume it was before .. because it is entirely possible JJR's ex-gf relayed that info after the arrest .. just as equally possible as before.

If it was before then TG is deeply warped in her thinking (as many suspect). And given TG' seeming affection for JJR before the murder it is obvious she let slide such weirdness and attributed the action to either a sexual fetish (erotic asphyxia, perhaps with the ex-gf a willing or unwilling participant) or simply a harmless quirk (assuming no animals were killed during the alleged practice).

Because having a sexual fetish for asphyxiation is an acceptable "quirk" when choosing a babysitter?

 

[Ontario Mom]

I wish LE would let the public all know one way or another if those texts we've read about were verified on the phones. If in fact, JR texted the mom or the step-dad or whoever it was he texted and admitted to having Bella with the taunt "what are you going to do about it?" then that alone is a game changer, considering what the 911 indicated.

 

[newone]

I wish LE would let the public all know one way or another if those texts we've read about were verified on the phones. If in fact, JR texted the mom or the step-dad or whoever it was he texted and admitted to having Bella with the taunt "what are you going to do about it?" then that alone is a game changer, considering what the 911 indicated.

It's pretty substantial evidence isn't it? the msm link is in this thread...but LE would not discuss it at the presser due to the ongoing investigation, etc.
...... very damning potentially but in no way should mitigate charges if applicable to people endangering children by ''failure to protect'' and ''failure to report a serious crime like abduction''
heck failure to report child abuse is enough for some serious trouble.

oh my do you think the initial report will now be considered a false report ?

 

[news.talk]

I believe TG must be indicted for exposing her children to druggies / drug use .. but she is NOT responsible for the actions of JJR.

Again: drug use et al, is NOT an implicit indicator of being a child murderer. So many seem to not understand that distinction.

TG is guilty only of exposing her children to the druggies / drug culture .. not to a child murderer. For how many families have befriended (or vice versa) individuals who were pinnacles of their communities only to find the shining example of a neighbor or family member was heck-bent on raping and / or murdering a child / children?

She is guilty of failing to protect a child. She *knew* he had a VIOLENT history and was prohibited from being around his own children stemming from an assault. She *knew* his own girlfriend and family would not have him live with them. My bet is if she knew that much, she probably *knew* much more. You don't invite a convicted violent felon to live with your children and then claim to hold no accountability.

 

[tier]

I believe TG must be indicted for exposing her children to druggies / drug use .. but she is NOT responsible for the actions of JJR.

Again: drug use et al, is NOT an implicit indicator of being a child murderer. So many seem to not understand that distinction.

TG is guilty only of exposing her children to the druggies / drug culture .. not to a child murderer. For how many families have befriended (or vice versa) individuals who were pinnacles of their communities only to find the shining example of a neighbor or family member was heck-bent on raping and / or murdering a child / children?

Wait a second. I haven't seen anyone say TG should be held responsible for JR's actions. She should most definately be held responsible for her own actions. Which may or may not include harming her child. And she might be responsible for withholding information that could have saved her child from being murdered also if given promptly. MSM says the sibling said JR texted TG he had Bella. TG says they went home and searched for 40 minutes before calling 911. And even then did not mention JR had her. Her actions are what she needs to be responsible for.