Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #3

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  • #81
bbm

Well in that sense yes, partly (but she didn't really know Terri McClintic the way TG is said to know JR or have her living in her home), but I see TG as 10 times worse. Especially the way she's showing who/what she really is, in the public eye. I don't know what the drug culture is like in BHC but I assume it probably plays out the same way everywhere in that there are various levels of involvement from casual user, all the way to addicts, dealers, etc. From what I know of TM's (Tara, not Terri) life here in Woodstock, and from all I've read about TG's lifestyle, I wouldn't put her on the same level as TG at all.

I truly do not know what that means ... this is directed to anyone who can explain explicitly the what and the when.

What has TG said / done "in the public eye" to be cause for her to be getting so much grief from the world?
 
  • #82
See that's just it though, I've cleaned two homes from hoarding situations of the trash type. I've also been into several homes that hoarded animals. The stench between the two is noticeable, and not forgotten!! Animal urine and feces is a very overpowering stench that literally takes your breath due to the ammonia levels. I've had to walk out numerous times, even with a face mask on.

So, I'm not sure which type hoarding the report was speaking of.

None of the cases I was involved in were drug issues, they were mental health issues. Working with animal rescue, you see and smell many things you never thought were possible. And the people were still living in those conditions. Sad. :tantrum:

I would be considered a hoarder when it comes to numbers, i have 17 cats in the house and barn but i don't understand people who don't look after them. Litter is changed twice a day, house is clean and tidy apart from cat hair on clothes lol from snuggles and pets. It smells clean too. It isn't that hard to do with multiple cats, the only time anything smelt was when a cat left a mouse to rot behind the toilet and i couldn't see it for a few days as some drinks were stored there. I will never forget that smell.

Mine are feral rescues i bring in if injured or sick and when they are better some choose the life of a house cat and others go back to being outdoor cats but they all get fed at will. The ferals are special when they decide to trust you, they seem to know you are doing something to help. In winter they have a heated barn
 
  • #83
bbm



I truly do not know what that means ... this is directed to anyone who can explain explicitly the what and the when.

What has TG said / done "in the public eye" to be cause for her to be getting so much grief from the world?

Despite allegedly being told by FBI to stop talking to the media, coming out to the media to tell all that she IS a great mother. Telling the media and the world that she knew the man who murdered her daughter might have strangled animals, yet he was welcome in their home with her children. Telling the media and the world that her own child, the one who survived the evening, the only one who could identify what Bella was wearing and who she was with, is NOT to be believed, and also the media blows everything out of context, but I'm still talking to the media. Golly I took one for the team to hold my decomposing daughter's hand. By the way, I know she' still in the morgue, but Bella never listened to me. But I'm a great mother who bought playground equipment. My mom was never a mom and but I'm a great mom as evidenced by my raising my children in a flop house for felons, some very recent, and drug users, which, you know, the second half I never said on MSM, but you can just google RF and and JRR and see that that's the truth.

Better question: Why is she repeatedly going on media interview circuits GIVING grief to the world for judging her and her proven poor parenting and lifestyle choices, which were active in the days and minutes leading up to Bella's abduction and murder. Seeing as it was her responsibility what people were allowed in the home with the children, and one of the violent felons who got a green light was the one she knew had recently been alleged to have strangled animals.

IF TG would stop doing media junkets of which seem to only serve the purpose of defending her excellent parenting, she's a (self reported) great mother, calling her child and mother a liar, and telling everyone to stop talking out of their a---, perhaps people wouldn't be so enraged at the words the come out of her seemingly exclusively self-serving mouth.

And maybe one "I wish I had stopped letting him be around my kids", one "I feel like I let her down since I wasn't there when this happened", one "I wish we hadn't gone to Wal-Mart that night" would help. Because these are the types of things many non-narcissistic, non-addict parents say when their child was murdered, and though they are not to blame, they feel the urge to blame themselves for something.

We only hear how excellent a mother she is, everyone leave her alone even though she keeps doing interviews. Haven't heard her say she'd change a single thing about how the family is living, who her children were around, how she wishes she'd mentioned JRR in any capacity to the police. That is heard to many as she wouldn't change a thing with the exception of her daughter being dead. All the other stuff. Ef you, who are you to judge, mind your own business.
 
  • #84
RBBM:

All the evidence we know of.

He stole himself replacement underwear. This leads me to believe there is DNA evidence on her, on him, or both.

You could be right. Or, he just might have decided it was time to change his underwear too, and, since he probably didn't have any clothing following his release from prison, he stole some. LE said that the house stank ... stinky underwear?? :gasp:
 
  • #85
Sampling of TG quotes with links

“Right now everybody’s just talking out their a--,” she said. “They don’t know what’s going on."

“Everybody’s saying Bella didn’t have any toes left on her body. Not true. I went to the mortuary and I got to spend almost an hour with my daughter. I held her hand. Even though her body was very, very decomposed..."

"“I was told that my daughter made a statement to (the Daily News) and you (reporters) took it out of proportion, that there was a text message,” Grogan said. “Well, you know what? She’s 10 years old, under a lot of stress right now, and she doesn’t know what the heck she’s saying.""


“I did not hurt my daughter. I’m a great mother.”

“Bella never listened to me because I let her walk all over me,” Grogan recalled. “I never once scolded her. Even though I said ‘Bella, you’re grounded for life,’ I’d still buy her everything she wanted.”

“There’s a $600 trampoline outside and an $800 inflatable water slide,” added Folster. “What kind of kids get that?”

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

"We came back because (my older daughter) called and said she couldn't find (Isabella). (She said) that Justin and (Isabella) were gone," said Grogan.

{self reporting aware of Justin's presence before 911 call was made. JRR omitted from 911 call, not reported by parents to LE}

http://www.kptv.com/story/26461801/isabellas-mother-she-was-my-baby-she-was-my-world


"I never could imagine that something like this could happen to me,"

"He's part of our family," she said. He was invited to the house while the family had a barbecue.


http://www.newsnet5.com/news/isabel...ers-from-family-friend-charged-in-girls-death



"I trusted him with my life. My children are my life, and now one of them is gone and they want to take the other one from me," Grogan said.

Grogan said Rector never showed signs of aggression until recently. She said his ex-girlfriend recently filed police reports accusing him of strangling her pets.

"Something triggered in his head, and he just got off on strangling, I guess. He strangled my daughter to death. That's how she died," Grogan said.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/26463107/mother-on-childs-accused-killer-i-trusted-him


Never showed sigs of aggressions ....until he did recently.
Never saw Justin.... he was here, thought he left.

Never. I do not think it means what she thinks it means.

NEVER

[ ˈnevər ]


adverb
1.
at no time in the past or future; on no occasion; not ever:

"they had never been camping in their lives"

synonyms: not ever · at no time · not at any time · not once · ne'er

2.
not at all:

"he never turned up"

synonyms: not at all · certainly not · not for a moment
 
  • #86
You could be right. Or, he just might have decided it was time to change his underwear too, and, since he probably didn't have any clothing following his release from prison, he stole some. LE said that the house stank ... stinky underwear?? :gasp:

Ha!

But seriously, I find the facts that (1) Bella was undressed from the waist down, and (2) He stole underwear for himself, to lead me to believe there was a sexual assault of some kind.

I've seen sexual assault charges tacked on much later in the proceedings to rule it out now, just because the charges are not there yet.
 
  • #87
bbm



I truly do not know what that means ... this is directed to anyone who can explain explicitly the what and the when.

What has TG said / done "in the public eye" to be cause for her to be getting so much grief from the world?

Have you read her FB accounts and her interaction with her friends on their very public accounts? Much of it is public (or was, I haven't looked in the last couple days). To put it in the kindest way possible, she was not at all ashamed of her lifestyle which included drugs, violence, sexually suggestive images, vulgarity, partying, association with known felons, her very own criminal record etc., so forth and so on. This is the environment she was bringing those girls up in. HER environment and whatever pleased HER. That is the reason she is getting so much grief from the world. By all public accounts (and even comments from those who say they know her) she was not a fit mother. This of course is entirely MOO.
 
  • #88
Additional TG Quote examples:

"I trusted him with my life, my kids. We didn't know Justin like that. So yeah, 'Justin of course you can crash here.'"

Despite displays of a growing vigil, Tania said she doesn't feel supported. In fact, she said she's been harassed.

"I did nothing wrong to my daughter to deserve any kind of negative attacking from everybody. I got people from all over the world that are coming at me and that are harassing me."

Child Protective Services is involved in the case, and Tania's other daughter is now staying with her grandmother. But Tania said she is not a suspect and she is not involved in her daughter's death.

http://www.jrn.com/ktnv/news/Mother...eaks-out-about-daughters-death-274180271.html

"The media is getting everything all twisted!"

"My mother that was going on, TP, Nancy Grace, SHE WAS NEVER A MOTHER!"

"I've never ever been never never not been able provide for my for my daughter(s). Whether it be legal or not!"

"I know what's right and wrong, I barely have a bad background...AT ALL!"

"......and now it's time for the media to know that I have NOT done nothing wrong."

"I want him to know.....why he hurt Bella."

"This is my daughter.....and people need to leave me alone."
http://www.azcentral.com/videos/news/local/arizona/2014/09/05/15140399/
 
  • #89
Just yesterday in my town a mother a grandmother and a 4 year old were walking down THIER street and were run over and killed by a drunk driver ! On a harmless probably enjoyable walk ! Just like that gone .
My point is there is so much danger in the world without us purposely putting our children in it . TG can proclaim herself to be mother of the year till the cows come home and no one in their right mind will believe her . The evidence of her drug use association with felons theft etc..... Is so overwhelming that if she's not arrested she will have to leave BHC in order to be left alone .
 
  • #90
Duplicate post, sorry!
 
  • #91
bbm



Is there a report that indicates JJR was a pedophile (previous to kidnap / assumed rape / murder of Isabella) and that TG was aware? There is a report of a restraining order against JJR, possibly for him to not go near his own children .. but details are not available. If it was filed against JJR for pedophilic activity, why are there no police / court documents indicating such a charge?

I suspect no one really knew JJR had a pedophilic tendency, perhaps even himself.

Did you just not call JJR a pedophile in post # 45? Maybe I missed the link that he's a pedophile.
 
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Despite allegedly being told by FBI to stop talking to the media, coming out to the media to tell all that she IS a great mother. Telling the media and the world that she knew the man who murdered her daughter might have strangled animals, yet he was welcome in their home with her children. Telling the media and the world that her own child, the one who survived the evening, the only one who could identify what Bella was wearing and who she was with, is NOT to be believed, and also the media blows everything out of context, but I'm still talking to the media. Golly I took one for the team to hold my decomposing daughter's hand. By the way, I know she' still in the morgue, but Bella never listened to me. But I'm a great mother who bought playground equipment. My mom was never a mom and but I'm a great mom as evidenced by my raising my children in a flop house for felons, some very recent, and drug users, which, you know, the second half I never said on MSM, but you can just google RF and and JRR and see that that's the truth.

Better question: Why is she repeatedly going on media interview circuits GIVING grief to the world for judging her and her proven poor parenting and lifestyle choices, which were active in the days and minutes leading up to Bella's abduction and murder. Seeing as it was her responsibility what people were allowed in the home with the children, and one of the violent felons who got a green light was the one she knew had recently been alleged to have strangled animals.

IF TG would stop doing media junkets of which seem to only serve the purpose of defending her excellent parenting, she's a (self reported) great mother, calling her child and mother a liar, and telling everyone to stop talking out of their a---, perhaps people wouldn't be so enraged at the words the come out of her seemingly exclusively self-serving mouth.

And maybe one "I wish I had stopped letting him be around my kids", one "I feel like I let her down since I wasn't there when this happened", one "I wish we hadn't gone to Wal-Mart that night" would help. Because these are the types of things many non-narcissistic, non-addict parents say when their child was murdered, and though they are not to blame, they feel the urge to blame themselves for something.

We only hear how excellent a mother she is, everyone leave her alone even though she keeps doing interviews. Haven't heard her say she'd change a single thing about how the family is living, who her children were around, how she wishes she'd mentioned JRR in any capacity to the police. That is heard to many as she wouldn't change a thing with the exception of her daughter being dead. All the other stuff. Ef you, who are you to judge, mind your own business.

AND may I add....make the check out to.................
 
  • #94
Did you just not call JJR a pedophile in post # 45? Maybe I missed the link that he's a pedophile.

To my knowledge there is no link anywhere indicating that he's a pedophile. Granted, there was a protection order against him to stay away from 3 minors (no indication as to who they are - his own kids or someone else's) or WHY the order was granted. There is also the missing clothing items from Bella but so far, no charges of SA. Removing/disposing of them could have been totally staged, for some twisted reason (maybe so police would be looking for a RSO? who knows)

I think at this point it's a lot of guessing & speculating.
 
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At the September 4 press conference Chief Williamson was asked about their marital status. He replied that RF was TG's boyfriend. Is it possible they took out a license but haven't had it officiated yet?

Or are they just incapable of giving anyone a truthful answer?

According to the link above, they were married in Vegas in July. Maybe Tania has a chip on her shoulder with the authorities so she doesn't wanna show them proof or is making them do their own background work. Seriously, I have no idea but according to the link that Makaroni supplied, they were married. I thought the affidavit was for the application and the license is proof of marriage? Or visa versa?
 
  • #97
When did she get her daughter back? Was it the end of July? Is it possible she got married to show stability to the courts since she was living at Ralph's mom's place?
 
  • #98
That link doesn't work for me. The page loads but yields no results at all.

You have to put in her/ his name. Thank you jersey*girl for doing the part I can't do! Lol :)
 
  • #99
bbm



Is there a report that indicates JJR was a pedophile (previous to kidnap / assumed rape / murder of Isabella) and that TG was aware? There is a report of a restraining order against JJR, possibly for him to not go near his own children .. but details are not available. If it was filed against JJR for pedophilic activity, why are there no police / court documents indicating such a charge?

I suspect no one really knew JJR had a pedophilic tendency, perhaps even himself.

BBM

I have not seen a report indicating he is yet in a previous posting upthread (quoted below), it is stated as fact? link anyone? :thinking:

When sleuthing, I prefer to leave emotion at the door.

At this time I am not inclined to believe there was a conspiracy between JJR and TG / RF nor was there an extortion attempt of TG by JJR because I do not believe this crime is that complicated.

JJR is a pedophile who, it is assumed, also murdered. I would not be surprised if LE eventually likes JJR for other similar crimes ..a long shot, remotely possible.

That TG is being mercilessly vilified for her apparent drug culture involvement and for her in-your-face demeanor (defense mechanism) and for her exposing her children to a "den of druggies and thieves" environment (inexcusable!) it is not surprising that many people simply WANT for TG to be guilty in some way for her seemingly-favorite child's murder. They want to see TG *punished* beyond the pain she is feeling over the murder of her child .. and I would assume they want to see that because THEY are feeling pain for and sorry for Isabella. Understandable, but...

...until LE determines and confirms complicit involvement I will not speculate in to conspiracy theory or desperate drug dealing between JJR and TG (although I might consider desperate drug dealing between JJR and a dealer or money-loaner to whom JJR might have intended to offer a kidnapped Isabella) or JJR as drug overlord-minion doing their dirty work, etc.

That all makes for interesting TV perhaps, and one or more of those speculation might be possible in this case given what many people might *think* they know. All I see at this point is an abduction / possible rape / murder of a child by the pedophile and murderer JJR.

The drugs / criminal records angle of everyone involved is incidental to their lifestyle and not to the abduction and murder (except possibly the drug angle might be key in JJR's depravity). JJR might even attempt to lie / sell conspiracy, etc., to prosecutors to garner a lesser sentence.
 
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